Why our we not going after atogwe

we're bringing in Ryan Clark for a visit today and he's expected to sign

Perhaps the better question is, "why Clark instead of Atogwe?"

bekus he dusnt fit are planz :confused2:

"azfinfanmang wrote:

bekus he dusnt fit are planz :confused2:

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"jason8er wrote:

Perhaps the better question is, "why Clark instead of Atogwe?"

Love the crack.I guess anything will be better than wilson.

"pumpdogs wrote:

Atogwe was placed under the lowest tender why do you think we have not gone after him yet?

maybe you should email the FO. im sure they have a good idea of why.

Clark is easier to remember and spell that Atogwe?

Seriously we dont really know if there have been any contacts with his agent .A lot of contacts are made without the press knowing about it.

The press get the" leaks" only when one of the parties involved thinks its convenient

And we dont know if there is any interest in him from our side.He may have some warts we dont know about or he may not fit our scheme or pocketbook..

Typos aside, this is actually a pretty important question. What is it about Clark's game that the FO likes over Atogwe's game? Is it an institutional preference for placing a premium on rush defense at every position? Do they see Atogwe as an inferior player? Do they believe Clark will fit better in Nolan's defense?

Worth noting that our first choice was Antrel Rolle, who's not very good against the run. So it might be that Clark represents to the FO a "best of both worlds" scenario where we can get a potentially very good pass defender while not sacrificing rush defense.

Clark's biggest fault is that he doesn't generate much in the way of INTs. You'd like your free safety to intercept 5 or 6 passes a year, and Clark just doesn't do that. I wonder if the FO is willing to sacrifice INTs from the FS position in exchange for having the spot locked down for at least the next two years while a long term option is groomed. That sort of security is worth the tradeoff, IMO.

In the end, this is probably a "what can OJ Atogwe do that Ryan Clark can't?" type deal.

IMO Rams will match any offer poison pill aside. Just because they tender him low does not mean they dont want him. They are banking on him signing a low contract. They really do not know what his market value is so they are letting other teams set it.

With that said I am glad the FO is not wasting their time with it.

"JMORGAN6977 wrote:

IMO Rams will match any offer poison pill aside.

The purpose of a poison pill is to ensure that the other team doesn't match the offer you make. You seem to be confusing the poison pill with the RFA tender levels. They're different concepts. An RFA tender just dictates the level of compensation a team would receive should a tendered player sign with another team; a poison pill is a contractual provision designed to ensure that the player's current team doesn't match the offer made by the new team.

Making OJ Atogwe a contract offer with a provision that he's guaranteed $100 million dollars and a private island if he plays more than two games in St. Louis in one year is a poison pill. The Rams couldn't match that without committing financial suicide, thus a poison pill.

I doubt Bill is in to the poison pill.

The issue may be more about timing... you make an offer to Atogwe and now you have to wait 7 days, and by the time the Rams get around to matching the deal Clark has gone and found himself a job elsewhere because you've publicly broadcast to the world that he's really #3 on your list.

If reports about Clark's asking price are true (3.5-4 million per year with a 6 million signing bonus) I think that's a huge selling point right there. If I were Ireland I'd rather take Clark at that price than Atogwe at likely twice as much and have to engage in poison pill dealings, which they may not feel is gentlemanly.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

bekus he dusnt fit are planz :confused2:

:lol: very cute AZ

Maybe it's because NO ONE gives a **** about the Rams or any of their players. Seriously. they probably saw he was a Ram and moved on to the Steeler with a Super Bowl ring.

"Desides wrote:

The purpose of a poison pill is to ensure that the other team doesn't match the offer you make. You seem to be confusing the poison pill with the RFA tender levels. They're different concepts. An RFA tender just dictates the level of compensation a team would receive should a tendered player sign with another team; a poison pill is a contractual provision designed to ensure that the player's current team doesn't match the offer made by the new team.

Making OJ Atogwe a contract offer with a provision that he's guaranteed $100 million dollars and a private island if he plays more than two games in St. Louis in one year is a poison pill. The Rams couldn't match that without committing financial suicide, thus a poison pill.

If we were to offer a contract to Otogwe, the Rams would have right of first refusal. There would be no compensation but you would likely have to offer stupid money or put a poison pill in there to not have the Rams match teh offer. Although if nobody signs him to an offer sheet by June 1, then the Rams will have to pay him 7M or let him walk as the tender will expire.

"Desides wrote:

Typos aside, this is actually a pretty important question. What is it about Clark's game that the FO likes over Atogwe's game? Is it an institutional preference for placing a premium on rush defense at every position? Do they see Atogwe as an inferior player? Do they believe Clark will fit better in Nolan's defense?

Worth noting that our first choice was Antrel Rolle, who's not very good against the run. So it might be that Clark represents to the FO a "best of both worlds" scenario where we can get a potentially very good pass defender while not sacrificing rush defense.

Clark's biggest fault is that he doesn't generate much in the way of INTs. You'd like your free safety to intercept 5 or 6 passes a year, and Clark just doesn't do that. I wonder if the FO is willing to sacrifice INTs from the FS position in exchange for having the spot locked down for at least the next two years while a long term option is groomed. That sort of security is worth the tradeoff, IMO.

In the end, this is probably a "what can OJ Atogwe do that Ryan Clark can't?" type deal.

Just as a point of reference, Antrle Rolle (4) didn't intercept 5 or 6 passes last year either. If picks are our concern we should have ran with Darren Sharper (9). And if picks are also our concern, then Clark(3) has more picks than Atogwe (2). So....there has to be something deeper here.

"Desides wrote:

The purpose of a poison pill is to ensure that the other team doesn't match the offer you make. You seem to be confusing the poison pill with the RFA tender levels. They're different concepts. An RFA tender just dictates the level of compensation a team would receive should a tendered player sign with another team; a poison pill is a contractual provision designed to ensure that the player's current team doesn't match the offer made by the new team.

Making OJ Atogwe a contract offer with a provision that he's guaranteed $100 million dollars and a private island if he plays more than two games in St. Louis in one year is a poison pill. The Rams couldn't match that without committing financial suicide, thus a poison pill.

Yeah thats why I said poison pill aside.....

They would match any offer unless it had a poison pill.

"houtz wrote:

Maybe it's because NO ONE gives a **** about the Rams or any of their players. Seriously. they probably saw he was a Ram and moved on to the Steeler with a Super Bowl ring.

We signed two raiders last year.

"pumpdogs wrote:

We signed two raiders last year.

I was thinking that the other day!
I was like wait...how did we not realize this earlier? haha
this year was our reach for the Cardinals haha!
but at least our talent pool is extending to GOOD teams...Steelers Cardinals

"PhinishLine wrote:

Just as a point of reference, Antrle Rolle (4) didn't intercept 5 or 6 passes last year either. If picks are our concern we should have ran with Darren Sharper (9). And if picks are also our concern, then Clark(3) has more picks than Atogwe (2). So....there has to be something deeper here.

Atogwe has 19 INTs in 5 seasons, which is a pretty good total, compared to anyone but Sharper.

"Desides wrote:

The purpose of a poison pill is to ensure that the other team doesn't match the offer you make. You seem to be confusing the poison pill with the RFA tender levels. They're different concepts. An RFA tender just dictates the level of compensation a team would receive should a tendered player sign with another team; a poison pill is a contractual provision designed to ensure that the player's current team doesn't match the offer made by the new team.

Making OJ Atogwe a contract offer with a provision that he's guaranteed $100 million dollars and a private island if he plays more than two games in St. Louis in one year is a poison pill. The Rams couldn't match that without committing financial suicide, thus a poison pill.

I interpreted his statement as "The Rams will match any contract unless there's a poison pill inside it (i.e. if Atogwe plays 5 games or more in St. Louis, he receives X amount guaranteed)."

Atogwe would be a great pick up, but I do think that some here are right where the Rams are just letting the rest of the league set the value on him.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

I interpreted his statement as "The Rams will match any contract unless there's a poison pill inside it (i.e. if Atogwe plays 5 games or more in St. Louis, he receives X amount guaranteed)."

Atogwe would be a great pick up, but I do think that some here are right where the Rams are just letting the rest of the league set the value on him.

+1

beyond that, it's my understanding that the league frowns heavily on "poison pills" and has gone out of its way to discourage them since the Hutchinson fiasco. Also, any team with their own FAs, I'd think would be reluctant to THROW that first punch; in terms of payback, it'd be like waving a red flag in front of a league full of charging bulls.

So short of the poison pill, you have an exercise in futility trying to wrestle him away from the Rams, and in a current market where demand for decent FSs outstrips the supply (Jest are now also players), we'd run the risk of losing Clark to a better offer, while we're tilting at windmills.

maybe its why we have to wait a week till st. louis will match and then we lose him and the rest of the FS are gone

"Al13 wrote:

maybe its why we have to wait a week till st. louis will match and then we lose him and the rest of the FS are gone

Your logic does not belong on a team messageboard! :pointlol: