Joe Philbin gave up on this game...

"Pennington's Limp Arm wrote:

So to interpret this dialogue into the bluntest terms possible: (no media sugarcoating)

Philbin;
"Tannehill go sit on the ball, you guys have been lousy and I don't trust you won't go and make things even worse"

Tannehill:
"Good call coach, your right, me and the offense suck donkey nuts" :knucks:

Mentally this team never had a chance to win. Buffalo defense probably got a boost from this too... they knew Philbin/Miami was scared of them.
If you go down, go down swinging, not running in the opposite direction.

A-f***ing-men.

If there were a second left Dan would have tried to score a TD .Even if it were intercepted chances were it was not going to be a pick 6....although it happened on occasion.

"Pennington's Limp Arm wrote:

So to interpret this dialogue into the bluntest terms possible: (no media sugarcoating)

Philbin;
"Tannehill go sit on the ball, you guys have been lousy and I don't trust you won't go and make things even worse"

Tannehill:
"Good call coach, your right, me and the offense suck donkey nuts" :knucks:

Mentally this team never had a chance to win. Buffalo defense probably got a boost from this too... they knew Philbin/Miami was scared of them.
If you go down, go down swinging, not running in the opposite direction.

Ryan Tannehill looks like a zombie on the field with his emotionless and perpetually confused face. Philbin looks like he's been dead for around 5 years. These are the people leading our team.

That was a surrender.

But I'm much more concerned with a coaching staff that loses to the Bills exactly the same way 3 times in a row: Them pressuring our QB and our lack of pressure making theirs look great.

Good coaches do not let the non elite beat them the same way over and over.

To be accurate , Tannehill did also state he wanted to try to score , to go for it , said "as a competitor" he wanted to not essentially play scared or too cautious. Lots wrong with today.

I was indifferent to Philbin at first but i'm starting to get annoyed by just the sight of him. At least Sparano had a personality, this guy is flat and overall seems uninterested one way or the other.

He beat Brady and Belichick the last 2 games.

"Sceeto wrote:

I understood. My point is a coach would never do that because Dan is one of the greatest QBs of all time and I'm sure any coach would feel a lot more confident with Danny at the helm. He's proven himself time and time again. Tanne was lost and floundering. Big difference. Not worth mentioning.

it wasn't just Tannehill that was floundering in my opinion. the D even looked to be struggling at that point. as much as it pained me to see how the half ended like that I understand why. we were only down by 9 at that point, it would have been over before the second half had started if Tanne threw a pick six there. we were getting the ball at the beginning of the half and the offense was showing absolutely zero ability

showing this much struggle from Tannehill, considering he played better last year with a crappy coordinator and no O line I can' tell if this is what he is or if he is really struggling with the new offense..

Look, if you want to complain about Philbin, that's you prerogative, but to act like he was the reason we lost and to not put any or most of the blame on Tanne is so disingenuous and agenda driven, imo.

"DOLPHAN1 wrote:

it wasn't just Tannehill that was floundering in my opinion. the D even looked to be struggling at that point. as much as it pained me to see how the half ended like that I understand why. we were only down by 9 at that point, it would have been over before the second half had started if Tanne threw a pick six there. we were getting the ball at the beginning of the half and the offense was showing absolutely zero ability

showing this much struggle from Tannehill, considering he played better last year with a crappy coordinator and no O line I can' tell if this is what he is or if he is really struggling with the new offense..

Oh, I know it wasn't only him. I never said that. The whole team looked bad. Actually, for the most part, James was handling Mario, but the whole team did look bad. However, like so many freakin' other times, there were many points left on the field by Tanne. It did not have to be that bad. From there the dominoes fell.

"Sceeto wrote:

Look, if you want to complain about Philbin, that's you prerogative, but to act like he was the reason we lost and to not put any or most of the blame on Tanne is so disingenuous and agenda driven, imo.

Tannehill didn't have a good game but who on the team did outside of Mike Wallace? Brent Grimes? Who played well? Did you feel the coach made good decisions? The QB played poorly but when the entire team looks bad, how is it disingenuous and agenda driven to say that the coach deserves the lion's share of the blame? Is the coach not responsible for the QB as well?

"Sceeto wrote:

Oh, I know it wasn't only him. I never said that. The whole team looked bad. Actually, for the most part, James was handling Mario, but the whole team did look bad. However, like so many freakin' other times, there were many points left on the field by Tanne. It did not have to be that bad. From there the dominoes fell.

STs and drops cost us more than RT...not saying he did well, but he had accomplices.

Doesn't mean you fold going into the half before you draw.

"Lloyd Heilbrunn wrote:

That was a surrender.

But I'm much more concerned with a coaching staff that loses to the Bills exactly the same way 3 times in a row: Them pressuring our QB and our lack of pressure making theirs look great.

Good coaches do not let the non elite beat them the same way over and over.

The Bills aren't a bad team, but I agree with you. You can't keep losing in the same way. Again and again.

"byroan wrote:

Not talking about on the field. Talking about on the sideline. Dan would not have been ok with his coach giving up at the 2:30 mark.

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Since I was responding to Vt and not you, how do you know he wasn't talking about on the field?

"DPlus47 wrote:

The Bills aren't a bad team, but I agree with you. You can't keep losing in the same way. Again and again.

This. Buffalo makes us look like the worse team in the AFC east.

Joe might have given up on this game but nobody does a bed check as well as he does.

I would love to know what Dan Marino thinks of this.

I think part of Dan is going to want to defend Joe Philbin, buying Philbin's intellectual sophistry.

But I wonder if Dan will sit back and ask himself what he would think as a quarterback if his coach handed down those orders. That's the part of Dan Marino that I want to hear from...the one who knows just how anti-football this move really was.

Dan Marino is the only respected football man on Steve Ross' small council. This is exactly where the value of this move could start to be seen. Ross, not a football man, could easily have found himself buying wholly into Philbin's intellectual bullsh-t excuse if he didn't have an experienced and respected football man in his ear to warn him that he's hearing bullsh-t.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Yeh..would want Tannehill to be pissed that he didnt get a chance to score.

lol.can anyone imagine what Dan would have done?

Don't have to imagine. He would have ignored the coach, gone out there and slung the ball then banged a cheerleader in the endzone.

"heylookatme wrote:

Tannehill didn't have a good game but who on the team did outside of Mike Wallace? Brent Grimes? Who played well? Did you feel the coach made good decisions? The QB played poorly but when the entire team looks bad, how is it disingenuous and agenda driven to say that the coach deserves the lion's share of the blame? Is the coach not responsible for the QB as well?

There were plays to be made that were missed...as usual!! It's become common place. It's disingenuous and agenda driven to blame everything on the coach when there's a much bigger elephant in the room.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I would love to know what Dan Marino thinks of this.

I think part of Dan is going to want to defend Joe Philbin, buying Philbin's intellectual sophistry.

But I wonder if Dan will sit back and ask himself what he would think as a quarterback if his coach handed down those orders. That's the part of Dan Marino that I want to hear from...the one who knows just how anti-football this move really was.

Dan Marino is the only respected football man on Steve Ross' small council. This is exactly where the value of this move could start to be seen. Ross, not a football man, could easily have found himself buying wholly into Philbin's intellectual bullsh-t excuse if he didn't have an experienced and respected football man in his ear to warn him that he's hearing bullsh-t.

to me it's only important if that part of Dan has a serious come to Jesus meeting with Mr Tannehill. I think HIS response is more telling and quite honestly the only reason I could support Philbin on that move. cuz if his QB is willing sit back and go ..yup, we suck.. then that is really where the problem is. if I was Dan I would make that meeting happen sooner rather than later.

"Sceeto wrote:

There were plays to be made that were missed...as usual!! It's become common place. It's disingenuous and agenda driven to blame everything on the coach when there's a much bigger elephant in the room.

I think the elephant in the room is the one Mike Wallace railed about after the game: lack of intensity and passion from the team. I think that starts at the top, and it certainly isn't helped when the coach decides to quit with 2:20 to play in the half. Tannehill was bad, but again, who on the team was good today? I honestly do not believe today's game was a case of 1 player dragging down 52 players.

"heylookatme wrote:

I think the elephant in the room is the one Mike Wallace railed about after the game: lack of intensity and passion from the team. I think that starts at the top, and it certainly isn't helped when the coach decides to quit with 2:20 to play in the half. Tannehill was bad, but again, who on the team was good today? I honestly do not believe today's game was a case of 1 player dragging down 52 players.

Yeah, right. Last week, they go into halftime down and come out on fire, comeback and abuse and win the game....against the Patsies!! He received absolutely no credit for that which is some proof that this is agenda driven. It's BS! The QB is the most important position on the field and sets the tone and emotion, etc.......on the field. I never claimed the rest of the team was good today, but I'm certainly not about to put this all on Philbin. It's total BS!

"Sceeto wrote:

Yeah, right. Last week, they go into halftime down and come out on fire, comeback and abuse and win the game....against the Patsies!! He received absolutely no credit for that which is some proof that this is agenda driven. It's BS! The QB is the most important position on the field and sets the tone and emotion, etc.......on the field. I never claimed the rest of the team was good today, but I'm certainly not about to put this all on Philbin. It's total BS!

I credited the coaches for great second half adjustments last week. Maybe I wasn't swinging from the rafters shouting "JOE PHILBIN DID AN AWESOME JOB TODAY!" but I definitely felt like that game was a credit to our coaching staff. I still do.

But I am worried that we keep having these games where the whole team comes out totally flat and listless and can't snap out of their funk. I'm worried that the coaches have shown time and again to be rather stubborn about who they play and how they play them. I am worried that with 2:20 to play and 3 timeouts, we decided to quit for the half.

Coming into the season, my biggest concern with Ryan Tannehill was that I felt like he made too many bad reads, forcing footballs into bad spots and creating turnovers. Through two games, I am not seeing him making terrible reads, unless you count the garbage time desperation throw with 30 seconds to play down by 19 points earlier today. That was a bad read. I feel like he's actually making improvements in his decision-making with the football.

But now what I'm seeing is throws that are inaccurate, that are behind his receivers, that are maybe coming out of his hands late. I am waiting to see if that is because he is still adjusting to brand new offensive concepts, or if he is simply incapable of making accurate throws. I think it is the former, so that is why I am not 'throwing in the towel' on the QB yet. I think it is a problem, and one we must deal with, but I do not see it as the elephant in the room just yet.

The elephant in the room to me is still that our head coach just doesn't have an answer for Buffalo. I actually appreciate where you're coming from, because the QB's play was not good enough today and we shouldn't pretend that it was. But I look around and I see that the play of those other people and units I named also wasn't good enough, and I ask, what is the common thread here? Is #17 responsible for awful special teams play?

"heylookatme wrote:

But now what I'm seeing is throws that are inaccurate, that are behind his receivers, that are maybe coming out of his hands late. I am waiting to see if that is because he is still adjusting to brand new offensive concepts, or if he is simply incapable of making accurate throws. I think it is the former, so that is why I am not 'throwing in the towel' on the QB yet. I think it is a problem, and one we must deal with, but I do not see it as the elephant in the room just yet.

Exactly, but I think it's the latter. Please, don't throw in the flag yet. Keep waving that s--t brotha',

"shula_guy wrote:

As far as I am concerned philbin ran out his own game clock with me. I have seen enough to know he is not the right guy to rely on to build a winning team.

This is exactly how I feel. To a Tee. Today was really frustrating to watch.