If dion jordan doesn't beat out oliver vernon do you trade him?

Honestly, I wouldn't. I'd actually be more concerned if he isn't improving as a pass rusher this year. At this moment, I'd just heavily rotate Wake, Vernon, and Jordan. Of course, I'd actually like to move Dion to LB, but that's JMO.

"pumpdogs wrote:

I just wanted to ask peoples opinion on what they would do if Jordan once again can not crack the starting lineup.

No. Cam Wake is 32 and we have no idea when he starts to break down. Besides, as Seattle proved... more pass rushers = good.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

No. Cam Wake is 32 and we have no idea when he starts to break down. Besides, as Seattle proved... more pass rushers = good.

Your right and if we don't make the playoffs again(like I expect) we have a whole new coaching staff next year and who knows maybe we will be back to a 3-4 defence.

Jordan has not reached his potential yet just as JT did not reach his potential until a few years of playing.

Here is what JT recently said “He’s a very talented kid,” Taylor told Rose. “I haven’t heard from him. I met him a couple times. He has so much potential. You see some of the raw athletic things he does. You say, ‘Wow.’ Similar to when Cam Wake came in. First practice, you said, ‘Holy Cow.”

He said the same thing about Wake before anyone knew his name .In fact he humbly said that he thought he would have a bigger impact than himself.

He was right and I trust his observation on Jordan too.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy

Dion Jordan was a wasted pick, and is an unnecessary weight on salary cap. You trade him to free up money cause he is not worth it.

No, you don't trade Dion Jordan. You don't trade him even if he can't beat out OV again this year. His versatility in sub-packages should garner him "starter" snap numbers even if he's not in the base defense. I think his potential is through the roof and you keep him and keep developing him until he's good enough to unseat OV and/or Cameron Wake starts to show his age.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

Dion Jordan was a wasted pick, and is an unnecessary weight on salary cap. You trade him to free up money cause he is not worth it.

Yeah because free cap money led the league in sacks last year.

Develop your talent.

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Miami would absorb a significant amount of dead money if they trade Jordan, he isn't going anywhere.

No, trading Dion Jordan would be dumb. I thought we were trying new things in 2014, like not being dumb....

Dealing Jordan would result in 17 million in dead cap. It is madness to even entertain the idea. Next year, maybe, if he just doesn't fit.
http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Dolphins&Year=2014

The Dolphins could, however trade Olivier Vernon for a high draft pick or multiple picks and make Jordan the starter.

Proven double digit pass rushers with the versatility and durability of Vernon don't grow on trees. His trade value right now is extremely high IMO. Maybe even 1st round if the Dolphins throw in another player or a late round pick.

We have too much invested in Jordan to give up on him and trade him away this soon. People weren't too enthused about Wake when he first arrived, just as they did Vernon when he first arrived. The worst case scenario would be that we trade Jordan and then Wake or Vernon went down with an injury and we are once again scrambling to put together an adequate pass rush.

If he doesn't beat out Oliver you're not going to get more than 4th round pick offers for an unproven guy that isn't able to win a starting job. So my opinion is no. Now would I trade him before training camp/the draft to the Eagles if they called and offered a 1st and 4th round pick? Probably.

"Onehondo wrote:

We have too much invested in Jordan to give up on him and trade him away this soon. People weren't too enthused about Wake when he first arrived, just as they did Vernon when he first arrived. The worst case scenario would be that we trade Jordan and then Wake or Vernon went down with an injury and we are once again scrambling to put together an adequate pass rush.

I hear you but wake didn't cost us 1st and 2nd round pick.Expectations are high.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I opened the thread to state that Cam Wake is probably our best tradable asset. I don't think this team is going to the Super Bowl any time soon. I wouldn't mind seeing if we can't field a first rounder pick for Cam. And if you don't trust Dion to take that spot, you can always sign someone to a one year deal like Seattle did with Michael Bennett.

You mistake Cam Wake for a normal man, he isn't. He is an extraordinary individual. I'm not even talking about his 46 inch vertical or 4.5 speed. I'm talking about his discipline, work ethic, the way he goes to extreme measures to take of his body, his phenomenal rise from reject, off to Canada, to all pro multi pro bowl NFL star.

Cam, is just the kind of, lead by example, high character veteran that the Dolphins desperately need more of.

If there is anybody in the league right now who is a candidate to be the next London Fletcher, it is Cam Wake.

Trading Derek Cameron Wake would be an egregious sin.

I agree that Jordan was a bad choice. It cost a valuable pick (I'd rather have traded the extra pick for an extra one this year - especially with several scouts and pundits indicating this is a pretty deep draft).

But, can't trade him and take the cap hit. And, we would not come close to fair value. I'd rather see if he can become explosive.

Dude has top 5 defensive players in league potential.

Trade Hartline??????????????????? I disagree with that premise. If I said what I really thought the mods wouldn't be happy. C'mon guy, 2 straight 1000 yard seasons. Tannehills favorite target. Why????

"pumpdogs wrote:

I just wanted to ask peoples opinion on what they would do if Jordan once again can not crack the starting lineup.

I'd say it's a damn good thing if OV beats out Jordan...that would mean he's a pretty good player.... DJ will develop...imagine Wake, OV, DJ all rushing the passer....could be an interesting wrinkle for offenses...

:pity:

Concept of player development completely foreign to some fans.
Trade a 1st round draft pick after his second season....... yeesh.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

Dion Jordan was a wasted pick, and is an unnecessary weight on salary cap. You trade him to free up money cause he is not worth it.

You don't do a lot of research, do you?

My biggest concern is about dion Jordan is his inability to set the edge as a 4-3 defensive end.He needs to get stronger and hopefully his shoulder issues are behind him.