Dolphins Won't Have a Top 10 Pick - Flores for Coach of the Year....?

Would anyone be shocked by a 6-10 record? Or 3-13 to end the season? Fitzmagic is due for some bad games, so even the Giants game (the one game I feel Miami should be favored to win) could be a loss. Bengals are MUCH better with Dalton starting, Jets are at home with revenge motivation, and the Pats will need a win for better playoff seeding.

What we should expect is some tough, hard fought games and not the helpless blowout losses we saw to start the season.

I expect 5-11

Would be ideal.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Would be ideal.

Are you thinking our franchise QB will be from the 2021 draft?

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

Are you thinking our franchise QB will be from the 2021 draft?

If I remember Carmen’s position correctly it is that coaching is more important than players. So if Flores can get this group of misfits to 6-10 then that's more important to long term success than drafting the right QB but giving him coaches like Adam Gase and Zac Taylor.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

Are you thinking our franchise QB will be from the 2021 draft?

Or if you are hesitant the spend a top 10 pick on Tua. Miami could get away with it, given the three first rounders, but it would feel like less of a loss to spend #9 on Tua versus passing on Chance Young at #2 to grab Tua -IF he didn't pan out. Given the value of a franchise QB, even passing on Young at #2 to grab Tua there would be hailed as a great move if Tua is successful.

"Pauly wrote:

If I remember Carmen’s position correctly it is that coaching is more important than players. So if Flores can get this group of misfits to 6-10 then that's more important to long term success than drafting the right QB but giving him coaches like Adam Gase and Zac Taylor.

I know we haven't had much luck with Rosen, but do you feel this coaching staff and the system they bring can have success with a QB a notch below the franchise level?

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

I know we haven't had much luck with Rosen, but do you feel this coaching staff and the system they bring can have success with a QB a notch below the franchise level?

Flores commented a few days ago that he feels like Rosen gets better every week and he might still have a chance to start this year- he said the best player during the week will start regardless. Rosen's days are far from over in Miami.

"KeyFin wrote:

Flores commented a few days ago that he feels like Rosen gets better every week and he might still have a chance to start this year- he said the best player during the week will start regardless. Rosen's days are far from over in Miami.

I am honestly surprised that Fitz hasn't been hurt. He takes big hits and runs like he is a 25 year old who hasn't learned how to slide.

I'm not rooting for a tank, but only this year is the team at the 3rd and 10th spots separated by one win.

I don't see how finishing 6-10 helps. A chunk of the roster will be turned over and if Flores is responsible for this team finishing strongly, he will be just as capable next year of doing it with, likely better talent.

The top 7 or so will be blue chip and I'd rather have a shot at one of those guys than the next tier.

"Striking wrote:

I don't see how finishing 6-10 helps. A chunk of the roster will be turned over and if Flores is responsible for this team finishing strongly, he will be just as capable next year of doing it with, likely better talent.

The top 7 or so will be blue chip and I'd rather have a shot at one of those guys than the next tier.

But at the same time they have to try to win.

Basically the only hope really is Fitz gets hurt early next game

“The Flores effect”

“I study the waiver wire every day for 15 years”

Nice that he is getting some attention, as he is doing a hell of a job in his first year..

Said it after I jumped into his story when he was hired, has traits of the great one.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

But at the same time they have to try to win.

Basically the only hope really is Fitz gets hurt early next game

Or plays poorly

It’s like a worst case scenario playing out in terms of short term.

I understand establishing a culture and yada yada yada but this team needs talent.

and not to have to trade all it’s draft assets to try and get in position for it.

the tua injury thing I guess makes this hurt a little less.

still losing assets for meaningless wins.

I’m all about talent, but having the security and trust that we have great leadership and sounds schemes in place takes precedent.

Knowing we have a head coach that has innate ability to motivate grown men to play together, to play for each other takes precedent..

Knowing we have a coach where players will run through walls for, and to have a coach who cares for his players and families takes precedent.

And knowing we have a coach who takes pride in every aspect of the organization including scouting takes Precedent.

This team is competing and winning against superior roasters..What a great sign for the future of our team

Seriously though, how bad would it look for Jests fans if they came in last in the division. :sidelol::sidelol::sidelol::sidelol:

But for real, we have a very good shot at winning the next 3 games. However, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves either, we could very easily lose all 3 games. That's just the nature of having a talent deficient roster. It's a good draft, we have enough holes to not be worried about a narrow group of needs vs. BPA.

Meanwhile, Tua has pretty much come out and said if he has a good chance at being a top 15 pick, he's coming out. If I am Grier, I'm giving his people a call and saying "our spot is the worst case".

"texanphinatic wrote:

Meanwhile, Tua has pretty much come out and said if he has a good chance at being a top 15 pick, he's coming out. If I am Grier, I'm giving his people a call and saying "our spot is the worst case".

"We take him in the first round, for sure." says Grier

:chuckle:

"djphinfan wrote:

I’m all about talent, but having the security and trust that we have great leadership and sounds schemes in place takes precedent.

Knowing we have a head coach that has innate ability to motivate grown men to play together, to play for each other takes precedent..

Knowing we have a coach where players will run through walls for, and to have a coach who cares for his players and families takes precedent.

And knowing we have a coach who takes pride in every aspect of the organization including scouting takes Precedent.

This team is competing and winning against superior roasters..What a great sign for the future of our team

If those are our requirements for a coach Dan Campbell was fine.

I'm going to lay off on talking negative about Flores himself because I've come to realize my issue isnt with him, I advocated his hiring, my issue is with the fan base crowning him before he has accomplished anything.

Like I've said, this is my position on our season so far and Flores as a coach.

1) We expected 3-5 wins if Fitz started up until the Ravens dismantled us. I contest that we prematurely downgraded expectations at that point and thus our current record shouldnt be shocking.

2) We had the better QB in 2 of 3 wins. I know a QB doesnt win by himself, but winning that battle always gives you an advantage in the war regardless of how bad the rest of your team is. Especially when the QB you are facing are plain bad.

3) Players with an insecure future are naturally more likely to play hard intelligent football. Knowing your job and future are on the line each week and you're trying to find a place in the NFL...playing hard isnt shocking. People who think bad teams just "quit" dont really understand competition or player mindsets.

4) Because these wins say nothing positive or negative about Flores to me, all they have done is cost us a potential Franchise QB and are therefore a large net negative.

I mean, we gave up 163 points in the first 4 games, while scoring 26. I don't think most expected that. So while YOU may think that we're exactly where it was predicted, I don't think anyone was making predictions thinking that we would be outscored that bad through the first 1/4 of the season.

Nobody is crowning Flores, but we are excited at the potential of a coach who seems to be exceeding admittedly minimal expectations. We are excited to see a coach who seems to be getting the best out of players and where young players seem to be regularly improving. Who seems to maybe be setting up a good culture.

It's all low hanging fruit at this point, sure. But at least it is something. He still has a LOT to prove, but he is giving us reasons to hope for the next year with better talent. Compare that to Adam Gase in New York. Who among Jests fans is intrigued by another year of that mess?

"texanphinatic wrote:

Nobody is crowning Flores, but we are excited at the potential of a coach who seems to be exceeding admittedly minimal expectations.

He's not exceeding expectations in a statistical sense unless he wins out and gets us to 7 wins. I pointed this out in another thread:
https://www.thephins.com/threads/a-word-of-warning-for-next-season.94806/#post-3229013

Maybe we can say he technically "exceeded expectations" if he gets us to 6 wins, but 4-5 wins = expectations set right before the season began by Vegas. Also, most HoF coaches show sustained >50% win% from year 2 or year 3 with a smaller percentage taking much longer (e.g., Landry, Belichick, etc...) so the real test is next year and the year afterward. Anyway, right now Flores is performing exactly as expected by the only measure that matters for HC's: win%.

"cbrad wrote:

He's not exceeding expectations in a statistical sense unless he wins out and gets us to 7 wins. I pointed this out in another thread:
https://www.thephins.com/threads/a-word-of-warning-for-next-season.94806/#post-3229013

Maybe we can say he technically "exceeded expectations" if he gets us to 6 wins, but 4-5 wins = expectations set right before the season began by Vegas. Also, most HoF coaches show sustained >50% win% from year 2 or year 3 with a smaller percentage taking much longer (e.g., Landry, Belichick, etc...) so the real test is next year and the year afterward. Anyway, right now Flores is performing exactly as expected by the only measure that matters for HC's: win%.

I honestly couldn't care less about what Vegas was predicting for this season. He is exceeding or meeting expectation for me in a number of areas which I thought this year would matter more than wins. Next year will be a new challenge, sure, and we all should expect better in the wins column as more talent comes in.

"cbrad wrote:

He's not exceeding expectations in a statistical sense unless he wins out and gets us to 7 wins. I pointed this out in another thread:
https://www.thephins.com/threads/a-word-of-warning-for-next-season.94806/#post-3229013

Maybe we can say he technically "exceeded expectations" if he gets us to 6 wins, but 4-5 wins = expectations set right before the season began by Vegas. Also, most HoF coaches show sustained >50% win% from year 2 or year 3 with a smaller percentage taking much longer (e.g., Landry, Belichick, etc...) so the real test is next year and the year afterward. Anyway, right now Flores is performing exactly as expected by the only measure that matters for HC's: win%.

Vegas also had Miami at odds I've never seen before.. 10,000 to one odds after the first two games when the roster was gutted.

The fact that Miami can compete and can probably beat some of the lower tier playoff contenders is something you have to consider.