An upgrade at HC?

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Why is Harbaugh considered so highly on people's list? Seems like his name came out of no where.

I can only speak for myself when I say it's because I've had my eye on Jim Harbaugh as a potential great coach since he was a player.

And he hasn't disappointed me, at all. He's exceeded even my lofty expectations for him.

Oh as for the thread topic I love Jeff Fisher and if you're going to get rid of a Tony Sparano a little bit on the premature side of things you'd better at least make it for a guy like Fisher. I don't believe he is just another Tony Sparano. The guy has a wealth of experience and a lot of passion, and he knows how to run a team and make it competitive every year. He hasn't always had the best talent on his roster, either.

For all those reasons though, the guy is like a cockroach in Tennessee. You think he's on the hot seat and then he gets a big extension. They know they have a valuable coach. Bud Adams may disagree with him on this stuff but I think he knows better than to start thinking he's the smartest guy in the room and not Fisher and so he can get rid of Fisher no problem.

"padre31 wrote:

Same here, and I'm stunned that a NCAA to NFL coaching move is in the cards for any team after the last two disasters.

The way things are setting up, a team that makes such a change heading into 2011 is playing with fire, with a lockout on the horizon the new staff may not be able to work with their players until August, bringing in a new Staff means they start from scratch and have 30 days to sort through the roster and teach players their systems as a newbie will want their own DC and OC and STC.

It's about getting the right guy, no matter where he comes from. I see no reason to shy away from all college coaches. I understand not wanting an Urban Meyer who runs a gimmicky or untested NFL system, but to simply turn away from all college coaches I think is a mistake.

Was Mike Reilly (former HC of SD and now at Oregon State) really a terrible coach or did he go to a terrible team and then get stuck with Ryan Leaf? If Mike Reilly had gotten Peyton Manning would he be a Super Bowl champion right now?

I like Harbaugh, but I'm not a fan of making someone a HC unless they've had the experience of being a coordinator at the NFL level.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

I like Harbaugh, but I'm not a fan of making someone a HC unless they've had the experience of being a coordinator at the NFL level.

Well, Andy Reid went from QB coach to HC and that worked out pretty well. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach (which I guess is a "coordinator"), I think even Gruden went from QB coach to HC. It's about hiring the right guy, regardless of their job title.

Being a HC is about so much more than scheme, etc. You need to be a leader of men, hence the failure of guys like Cameron who are otherwise brilliant at what they do.

A couple of observations. How come you don't hear Marty Schottenheimers name mentioned any more as a head coaching candidate? And why is no one mentioning Brad Childress since he was such a hot candidate mentioned a lot here before Parcells and Camerons tenures?
I hope Sparano and Ireland still make it and didn't we already strike out with a hot name from the college level in Saban?

Fisher has been HC of HOU/TEN for past 16 full seasons.....only 6 winning seasons. And he is 5-5 again this year.

He is a GOOD not GREAT coach. Not an UPGRADE at all over Sparano.

"Onehondo wrote:

A couple of observations. How come you don't hear Marty Schottenheimers name mentioned any more as a head coaching candidate? And why is no one mentioning Brad Childress since he was such a hot candidate mentioned a lot here before Parcells and Camerons tenures?
I hope Sparano and Ireland still make it and didn't we already strike out with a hot name from the college level in Saban?

Marty's pretty much done.

Brad Childress is clueless as a coach and he can't lead a team. Hard to believe in the guy.

"alen1 wrote:

He's been highly thought of for two or three years now.

Yeah when you take a perinnial loser like Stanford, and have them in contention for a BCS bowl game, that is amazing coaching. Especially when you have the academic requirements at Stanford. Not just anyone gets into that school.

For me Harbaugh gets me going too. If Ross makes a change that would be the man I want to coach my Dolphins.

"Paul 13 wrote:

Aren't Fisher's teams notoriously one of the highest penalized in the league? Not saying he isn't a good coach, he's been at TN forever.

So long they were the Houston Oilers when Fisher was hired. I think he was hired around 2000.

"Onehondo wrote:

A couple of observations. How come you don't hear Marty Schottenheimers name mentioned any more as a head coaching candidate? And why is no one mentioning Brad Childress since he was such a hot candidate mentioned a lot here before Parcells and Camerons tenures?
I hope Sparano and Ireland still make it and didn't we already strike out with a hot name from the college level in Saban?

Shottenheimer would be disasterous. And he never wins the big game. Ultimately, a loser. He's also probably in some retirement home. We are all complaining about Henning, I think Shottenheimer is even older.

Childress ? Helllllooooo are you serious or have you had your head in the sand for like the last 6 weeks ? If Ross wants to look like a total fool, hire Childress.

"BigDogsHunt wrote:

Fischer has been HC of HOU/TEN for past 16 full seasons.....only 6 winning seasons. And he is 5-5 again this year.

He is a GOOD not GREAT coach. Not an UPGRADE at all over Sparano.

Wow, he's been there that long. And that record is not as good as I thought it would be. Only 6 winning seasons aye ? Nope....not interested in him anymore.

I dont see how anyone can mention a 3 yr HC like Tony Sparano and compare him to Fisher who is a much more experienced and succesful HC.

If only we should be so lucky to land him but alas I dont think the Titans will let go of him .Having said that there is certain burnout factor that sometime occurs between owner and HC as we saw with the Shannahan situation so its not out of the realm of possibilities.

"CrunchTime wrote:

I dont see how anyone can mention a 3 yr HC like Tony Sparano and compare him to Fisher who is a much more experienced and succesful HC.

If only we should be so lucky to land him but alas I dont think the Titans will let go of him .Having said that there is certain burnout factor that sometime occurs between owner and HC as we saw with the Shannahan situation so its not out of the realm of possibilities.

Jeff Fisher's first 5 years in the NFL
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"DolfanJake wrote:

So long they were the Houston Oilers when Fisher was hired. I think he was hired around 2000.

I thought it was 95 or 96?

"DolfanJake wrote:

So long they were the Houston Oilers when Fisher was hired. I think he was hired around 2000.

He's been coaching that team since around 1994 I believe. Remember the Music City miracle? That was in 1999. Even then the Titans had already moved from being the Oilers in Houston to Memphis to Nashville.

I dont think Fisher gets out of Tenn

"Onehondo wrote:

A couple of observations. How come you don't hear Marty Schottenheimers name mentioned any more as a head coaching candidate? And why is no one mentioning Brad Childress since he was such a hot candidate mentioned a lot here before Parcells and Camerons tenures?
I hope Sparano and Ireland still make it and didn't we already strike out with a hot name from the college level in Saban?

It was a couple months back, but I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius, and Marty was one of the co-hosts, and I think a caller asked him when he was going to coach again, and Marty said he was happily retired and no plans on coming back. So you can take that for what its worth, but I think it is his decision not to coach at the pro level.

I'd love to have Jeff Fisher. The most underrated coach in the league every year. When we are playing well and Tony is coaching well, it reminds me of Fisher's good teams of the past - players busting their ass, achieving a level above their talent level.

my top choice would be Cowher, but I'd take Fisher over Gruden any day of the week.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

I'd love to have Jeff Fisher. The most underrated coach in the league every year. When we are playing well and Tony is coaching well, it reminds me of Fisher's good teams of the past - players busting their ass, achieving a level above their talent level.

my top choice would be Cowher, but I'd take Fisher over Gruden any day of the week.

Longest tenure in the league, and barely over 50% win percentage?

5 playoff wins in 16 years?

I don't dislike fisher, buy my brother is a titans fan and he watches fisher make bone headed mistakes year in and year out. He's not THAT good. If anything he makes an argument for "don't reshuffle the deck every 3 seasons".

I don't want him here. He's not Wanny bad, but he makes stupid stupid decisions. Feeding CJ the ball 30 times a game, and benching VY for KFC is stupid at times. VY is a winner, who's constantly getting yanked because Fisher is incredibly stubbourn. Like Wanny when he gets a lead he plays not to lose instead of playing to win.

Fisher is a pedestrian NFL coach. He won't steer his team into an iceberg, but he won't lift them in his shoulders either. He just is. Eventually he may get it right and win a SB, but only if he tries enough times.

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"CrunchTime wrote:

I dont see how anyone can mention a 3 yr HC like Tony Sparano and compare him to Fisher who is a much more experienced and succesful HC.

If only we should be so lucky to land him but alas I dont think the Titans will let go of him .Having said that there is certain burnout factor that sometime occurs between owner and HC as we saw with the Shannahan situation so its not out of the realm of possibilities.

Fisher is married to Bud Adams. He has free reign. He's not going anywhere.

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"daphins wrote:

Fisher is married to Bud Adams. He has free reign. He's not going anywhere.

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Adams is a huge advocate of Young though, Fisher didn't really want him, but Adams bypassed him on it. Fisher has never liked Young, and this thing has been coming to a head. Clearly at this point its either Young or Fisher, Adams will need to choose between his longtime coach and his franchise prodigy.

My biggest issue with Fisher is his 5-6 playoff record in 16 years as a head coach. Not really inspiring to me. He gets lots of accolades as being a top coach, being "underrated" (yeah ok) etc, but I think most of it has just been due to his longevity.