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Your guess for the Dolphins next Head Coach...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, Dec 30, 2011.

  1. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Take it or leave it, but we dont know if a franchise QB has been drafted in the last 4 yrs or not since not all that have been drafted have played. It could be Mallet from last year will turn out to be a franchise QB, that we had a chance to get, but passed on for another O Lineman. He hasnt played yet. That move right there made me feel like Ireland was scared to draft a QB early. No matter which side of the fence you are on, we still needed some real competition for Henne and Mallet would have been a good choice. There have been others drafted that havent played, so again, we dont know that yet.
     
  2. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This roster stinks. We've been a loser team for years now who cares what stats say what? We are clearly behind the pats and the jest. I agree about Sparano but I think the roster is alot worse than some of the posters here. I think you are what your record says you are and we stink.
     
  3. UsedPorno

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    It's easy to say that when you have the gift of hindsight. Are you seriously trying to compare Todd Bowles to Shula, Tom Landry, and Bear Bryant? Just because the guy hasn't been given a chance to be a head coach in the league does not mean he will be successful. It seems like you're suggesting that Bowles is some next great coach waiting to happen. Where is the real evidence to suggest that it is even remotely possible? I'm not saying the guy isn't a good coach. He appears to know his stuff. That doesn't translate to anything, though. How did Steve Spagnuolo work out in St. Louis? Scott Linehan in Detroit? Hell, Bowles hasn't even been a coordinator before that I know of. Maybe you're just looking to draw parallels between he and Mike Tomlin, but it's silly to suggest that he is the best option when you have no tangible, real world applicable evidence to support it.
     
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  4. mracer

    mracer New Member

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    Let's grab a coach from that GB staff. They seem to know how to win and score points!!!
     
  5. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    No, that's obviously not what he's doing.......... but kudos on your attempt to conjure grounds for an argument. What he's saying is--- the greatest coaches in football history had to start somewhere. Adding to 2Sock's point: if you want a truly great coach rather than either a decent one or someone else's jettison, you'll usually have to get him as a pup b/c once he's actually seasoned, he's likely staying put. Think of franchise QBs; typically, if you want one, you have to recognize his talent & potential, draft him, and then give him some time and needed resources to develop b/c they rarely become free agents unless there's a buyer beware tag.

    It doesn't mean that he won't either.......... that is, if you're logic goes both ways.

    "tangible"? A 2-1 record against division rivals while almost giving the Pats their 2nd home loss since 2008 isn't tangible?................... It's not a full declaration, but by definition it is tangible.

    Since you seem to enjoy doling out friendly advice, maybe you'd embrace some in return................... Do some coaching research dating back 5 or 6 years before you criticize a poster as if you're the authority on the issue; let me know the Super Bowl appearance break down of teams with veteran coaches compared to ones with no prior experience. You can even take it as far as NFC/AFC Championship game coaches. (I'll give you a hint about the findings: coaches with no prior experience are in the overwhelming majority IIRC.)
     
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  6. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I'm not debating how good a GM Ireland is. I think he is OK. Not great, but OK. But that doesn't change the fact neither Gruden or Cowher would come here if Ireland is still GM.
     
  7. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Doesn't change the fact that neither would come here if Ireland wasn't GM either.
     
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  8. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    That we will never truly know.
     
  9. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Just like we'll never truly know what you said. Didn't stop you from stating it as a fact though.
     
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  10. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Pfft. You and your technicalities.
     
  11. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I'm going to go out on a semi-limb and say Jay Gruden.
     
  12. Fin-Omenal

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    Yep, he knows how to handle Pro Bowl WR's like Marshall.
     
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  13. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Im not a Ireland hater. But just about every decision was right? The decision about RT RG and LG, was not only wrong. But embarrassingly wrong. The decision about our #2 TE was embarrassingly bad.

    The decision to not go after a QB in the draft was wrong.

    The decision to draft Pouncey, draft Clay(based on low value), trading for Bush, signing Matt Moore and JT proved to be right. Other then that id say he didn't have a very good off season at all....

    So I would love to see a break down on his decisions and why you think they were correct
     
  14. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    No. MrClean is right.
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Richie Incognito is a good enough guard to start for at least half the teams in the league. So I cannot include him as embarrassingly wrong like the move of Carey to RG and the signing of Colombo.
    Part of the problem of Carey and Colombo is having both of them, and side by side. You can get by with one or the other, if you have a more athletic guy at the other spot. But, both next to each other was IMO most of the problem with them.
    You'd probably be ok with Carey, if you had an athletic mobile RT like Riley Reiff, or be able to get by with Colombo if you had a mobile athletic guard like Dave DeCastro next to him. It's a moot point now though as the odds of either being back are slim and none.

    You can also include the signing of Burnett among Ireland's good moves. Another bad move was cutting Will Allen when they made the final cutdown before week 1. Luckily we were able to resign him the following week. I also think it was chickensh!t to cut Sapp after the Pats game, as if the pass coverage meltdown was mainly his fault. At least two other DBs were worse that day, Carroll and Jones, and I cannot stomach someone being made a scapegoat. He was a trade acquisition though and Carroll and Jones were Ireland draft picks, and IMO that played into the decision. Sapp signed with Minnesota later in the season and played very well for them.
     
  16. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    What about cutting Lou Polite , and the fact that we were hot garbage on every single goaline or 3rd n short this year. Losing Lou Polite and Thomas' inability to get it done hurt us.


    (for the anti-Ireland campaign)
     
  17. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with Incognito being anywhere close to a decent a guard. I've stated the fact when we decided to start him the first season and when we resigned him last off season. He's proved me right. He is not good or even average. So I do think it was a bad move to resign him and not anyone else. Nogs is a depth guy. Not a starter.
     
  18. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I don't see Lou Polite helping much there. Even when he was converting, the OL at least got some semblance of a push most of the time.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Lou Polite was pretty much garbage the year before when it actually came to blocking
     
  20. Jimmy James

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    I think it should be Toub. It doesn't bug me in the least he's a special teams coach. In fact, I think that may be one of the things I like best about him.

    My guess is that it will be let's say Billick.
     
  21. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Let's go clowns, Start interviewing Philbin this week.
     
  22. mracer

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    I bet Bowles is retained as HC. Who the hell wants to come here with that clown Ross running things?
     
  23. Aquafin

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    I want Randy McMichael because his hall of fame career was sabatoged just like Sage Rosenfels and Randy said he wants to be a offensive coordinator and a then be a head coach just to agrevate Wanny , so hell we better hire him as a head coach just for that reason alone. (kidding )

    I really think you guys are too hard on Fisher and Todd Bowels hasnt done squat except beat som average teams and his offense cant find the endzone wwe need to get a big time coach and i Promis e , that fisher would be the best coach since Shula . mark it down.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You cannot judge Bowles on being head coach in the last three games. It is his body of work before hand that really matters. The question is, do you want an up and coming coach or do you want a retread?
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    From a coaching perspective, I want to clean house on the Parcells Conundrum
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do not. I want to keep the good coaches and get rid of the ones that are not up to snuff.

    For instance, the special teams coach should be kept. This guy did an amazing job this year.
     
  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    When I follow him on replays I see him make many very good blocks, so we can just agree to disagree. Considering there are 64 jobs in the league for starting guards at any given time, and I see Pro Football Focus, rank him 36th and 17th the past two years, I'm glad to see they agree with me.
     
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  28. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We have a much larger disaster to clean up on the right side of the line before we even begin to have to worry about Richie.
     
  29. While I agree with you that the poster is missunderstanding 2socks post, I think you are a little off as well. There is no singular cookie cutter method that produces great coaches or Qb's. If there was every team would have them.

    Just because a coach or QB has not lived up thier potental with one organazation does not mean they will not blossom under a different one. Circumstances influence the end results. I seriously doubt Steve Young would have a HOF career if he had stayed in Tampa. I also would make the same observation if Belicheat stayed in Cleavland.

    Conversely A young promising QB coming out of the draft can be ruined by being put on the wrong team and under the managment of the wrong staff. Joey Harrington for example might of done very well in the NFL if was groomed by someone other then Detroit.

    I'm not saying this to endorse Bowles as bewing our next HC or to say that Moore is a franchise QB. I'm just saying you never know until it happens. Its all a dice roll.

    In Matt Moores case I will say this much. Regardless of who we draft. He has earned himself the opprotunity to compete for the starter role in traing camp this summer. At least IMO he has.
     
  30. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    no he hasnt youare acting as if your opinion is the end of it and it isnt. Incognito is a decent guard widely recognized as such. he wasnt the problem. o-lines cant all be Jake Longs.
     

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