WR and TE who is the best solution IYO and Why ?

who says Hartron is any smarter or more football savvy then Wallace? You know what they really value? Touchdowns, Hartron doesnt score them Wallace does.

 

I've seen very, very few WRs play as smart as Hartline does. Almost always makes the correct read. Almost always sets up his routes great.

Unfortunately touchdowns are a result of a multitude of factors, not really a skill. Players with all types of skillsets, from Mike Wallace's to Brian Hartline's score TDs.

 

I think I read that if NY cuts Corey Webster & Chris Canty, they'll have 24 open roster spots to fill and roughly $15 million in cap space to do it with after allocating $5 million to rookies. If they pay every free agent 500k, it leaves roughly $5.7 million in cap space and a lot of costly FAs (Cruz, Martellus Bennett, Beatty, Booth, Stevie Brown, Phillips, and Tynes).

 

He may be the smartest WR to EVER play football at ANY level. He also falls down faster then any WR to EVER play football at ANY level. The main factor in Hartron's inability to get into the endzone is that he has ZERO ability to do anything with the ball once he catches it.

 

Ok, a 2nd & 3rd for Cruz. Sign Jennings. Cut Bess (as he wouldn't be needed). Trade back the 1st to recoup the 2nd.

 

Which to me points at expiring players that won't be retained (Martellus Bennette, Will Beatty, Kenny Phillips, Osi Umenyiora) and perhaps some bloated contracts they'll be unloading (Webster, Canty)...but it doesn't point to allowing a relatively cheap and highly effective RFA like Stevie Brown walk away. Those guys are like gold to a team that is having trouble staying under the cap.

 

I really, really don't see Victor Cruz happening.

 

I agree with your assessment, but I don't really agree with the conclusion. There have been lots of players that aren't great after the catch that have been and are excellent NFL WRs. I think Hartline's skillset is one that lends itself to being unfairly marginalized. Most people stylistically prefer someone more physically imposing, stronger, or faster. But a lot less often do I hear people praising WRs for their route-running, and very rarely do I hear anything about their intelligence.

Especially when you consider that the coaching staff seems to have a preoccupation with learning the playbook, I have a hard time seeing them letting Hartline go.

 

neither do I… it is just a pipe dream

 

Please stop interrupting my fantasy of the day. Thanks in advance.

 

I would be shocked if they spent that kind of money on two FA WRs that weren't here last year. There has been very little inclination in the past to that kind of FA activity, nevermind 2 guys. I also think they value depth at WR as much as they do top-end talent (if not more), so I'm not sure they'd cut Bess to save money for a more expensive WR.

 

Hey, dont get me wrong. I think Hartron is an NFL caliber WR. He runs great routes and understand how to setup is opponent. A great example is the catch early in the 49ers game (I was sitting on the 50 on the Fins side of the field so the play was right in front of me). As the play developed I saw Hartron break wide open, as THill let the ball go I was thinking TOUCHDOWN. I dont think there was a 49er within 10 yards of Hartron when he caught the ball. One 49er brought him down WITH had to be one finger. Hartron is everything you want in a WR until he catches the ball… then he becomes everything you dont want in a WR

 

And considering all his abilities and shortcomings, I think he's right around the top-30-35 WRs in the league. If I had to guess, I'd think most people here would say he's not even in the top-50.

 

I don't see how NY could let the entire left side of their Oline walk (with a 6th round rookie LT and 2011 7th round LG behind them), so it's possible Cruz become a cap casualty considering his departure would net them an affordable, high draft pick.
Blackburn is also a FA.

 

Enjoy your fantasy while it lasts, Manti.

 

Under some circumstances I would agree, but considering what many teams spend on QB/WR/TE/RB combined, I wouldn't view paying Cruz & Jennings as extreme since we have little money tied up in WR, QB, TE, and RB. It's nothing like what New England is paying for Brady, Gronk, and Hernandez; Atlanta did for Ryan, White, Gonzalez, and Turner; Houston for Schaub, Johnson, Daniels, and Foster; what Detroit pays for Calvin alone; and should be about equal to what GB will tie up in Jordy & Cobb and Denver in Thomas & Decker. IMO, what would make it possible is being able to cut Jennings after 3 years so his contract doesn't interfere with re-signing Tannehill.

You could balance out the money by trading back in the first and drafting Eifert at TE, then Eddie Lacy in the 2nd as the primary back, keeping our overall dollar investment at QB/WR/TE/RB relatively low.

 

I see Fitz being traded as more likely than Cruz leaving NY.

 

I've already made the trade in Madden so it's just a formality at this point.

 

I dont know that I would place him that high… but I am not totally down on him. IMO, he would be a perfect 3rd receiver… I dont think he is a good #2… just too limited after the catch.

 

IMO, 30-35 is a little high for him. He's not a #1 WR on many if any other teams but Miami, but he'd be a solid #2 on about a half to a third of teams, just off the top of my head. This is all JMO of course, same as you posted, only different.

 

IMO, your #2 needs to generally be a possession, move the chains type. I think Hartline fits the bill pretty well in that regard. You could do better, but also a heck of a lot worse for that type of WR.

 

That was Stitches, not me.

 

I don't think we are far apart now, unless you consider Ertz decidedly inferior to Eifert. IMO, they are about as close as any two players could be, and it just comes down to personal preference and what feel you have for each player. They both should fall between about 20th and 35th overall, would you agree?

 

I'd guess they'd value a WR who is a better scoring threat. For all the things he does well, Hartline seems allergic to the end zone.

 

I agree, if your number one is a down field big play type. In general the number 2 should complement the abilities of the number 1, IMO.

 

That would be my preference as well unless for some reason one of the top 5-6 guys drops to our pick.

 

There is almost always a team that thinks they are that one player away and wants them badly.

 

that is not the problem.. the problem is who are they going to see as that "one" player

 

I dont know that I really agree with that, what you described to me is what I would want in a #3 receiver. I want my #2 to be able to score from anywhere on the field. That is not Hartron. he has no idea where the endzone is.

 

Totally disagree. He absoulutely knows where the end zone is. If he didn't, there'd be know way he could avoid going there as well as he does.

 

I stand corrected!

 

A young, hard-working player with no off the field issues has a quality season, and he's **** on relentlessly by the fans. Only Dolphins fans.

 

Nobody is exempt to being made fun of. But I agree if people really **** on him as a player (to a degree) then that is stupid.

 

dont confuse crapping on Hartron with evaluating him for what he is. Frankly, I think the Fins can do better…. but if they dont choose to bring in other talent I hope they can get at least two guys to play ahead of him. Nothing personal… it is what it is

 

That's almost not an insultingly inappropriate assessment of Hartline.

 

The nerve of some people...

 

I don't see how there is any assessment of Hartline. He's just hoping the WR corps is upgraded to the point where Hartline becomes the 3rd best. That would be a pretty good group then I'd say. I'd think any Dolphins fan would want that, other than Hartline's momma.

 

Lol..that was both of you, you with my grammar and stitch with whatever he used to do to me, lol, I like to think he was testing me.

 

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but there's a difference between hoping for it and considering it an imperative. My read is that it is almost certainly that he meant it as the latter, which is a bit different. I'd love for Brian Hartline to be the #3 WR, but the idea that there is some serious disservice being done if he's not is exactly what I am trying to characterize.

 

I think it's also important to remember that Hartline was a developmental player, this was his breakout year, and he was receiving passes from a rookie. It's entirely possible IMO that he becomes a perennial 80+ catch 1100+ yard guy when he's receiving passes in a possession role from a non-rookie QB.

I see no reason why he has to be our "third best" receiver. In fact I think the best case scenario for the receiving corps would be someone like Jennings as one starter, Hartline as the other (in the possession role), Bess in the slot, and a speedster fourth guy.