Would you? TUA FOR DAK?

I wouldn’t even agree to that.

WR - Lamb is maybe a hair behind Hill (and even that’s debatable); I would call that even. Waddle is better than any #2 they’ve had lately. Their 3 and 4 have been better than the scrubs we’ve been trotting out there.

TE - Dallas>Miami. Not close.

RB - Elliot in his prime was better than anyone Tua has had. His decline was rapid, and Pollard stepped in. He is at least equal to any single back on our roster (Achane tbd) thus far.

Not sure how Tua’s weapons are “significantly “ better or even “more”.

 

Not to mention the Cowboys have consistently had a far superior offensive line than the Dolphins have had in decades.

 

No.

I don’t know much about Dak, but Tua knows MM's system and his receivers.

 

Well, I think Dak is somewhat underrated, but since both will be signing new deals soon(J-Love signing before camp most likely)

A better question would be if you would trade Tua for Jordan Love?

The Packers of course would never even consider it. And this is probably a better convo for my Inside 1265 Lombardi Avenue thread.

 

Jordan Love is not a better QB than Tua, and I'm not a huge Tua fan.

 

Well, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

We will see who has the better overall career. I would bet money though that J-Love will have a Super Bowl ring before Tua.

 

Naw. I don't see either one of them getting a ring, honestly. But the Packers aren't going to get past the Niners.

 

If the Packers rookie kicker didn't miss a FG late in the game against the Niners last year, they get "past" them last year in playoffs. The Packers got better. Added Josh Jacobs and Xavier McKinney. And 11 first round picks on defense will have a quality D coordinator for the first time.

The offense is stacked and have Matt LaFleur running the offense. It's not all on J-Love, but it doesn't hurt having one of the ten best QBs in the league and rising.

I am not saying Tua sucks but IMHO J-Love is superior.

I'd take Tua over Dak, but only because Dak is older. I think Dak is as talented as Tua overall. I need to see Tua win a playoff game.

J-Love won in the playoffs in his first season as a starter.

 

Love looks like he’s going to be pretty good, but let’s not crown him yet. How many times have we seen a QB come out of the gate hot only to fade away into oblivion?

Pretending that QB’s are judged by playoff wins is nothing more than sports media click bait and lazy analysis. Teams win games. The next time you see a QB on the field all by his lonesome let me know. Until that happens, judging any single player on wins and losses is worthless.

 

I am not saying that QBs should be judged on just playoff wins and rings. And like I said, with the Packera it isn't all on J-Love to win games. You are correct, teams win games and Lombardi's.

But, teams that don't have a quality QB don't have a chance at many playoff appearances, and zero to none on their chances at Lombardi's. Trent Dilfer a exception to the rule. That is a rarity. Great QBs can take a good team over the hump.

Tua needs to show that he is a QB that can get his team over the hump.

I am not crowning J-Love, but he has shown me a lot in the 4 years he has been in Green Bay. One year starting, but he sat behind a Hall Of Famer and perfected his craft for 3 years.

First time I saw his cannon arm at a training camp practice I knew then that he was our next franchise QB. That was in 2021, because training camp was not public in 2020.

I am glad Dolphins fans have a lot of faith in Tua. I just need to see a little more. Granted I have seen J-Love play more, and have heard J-Love's intelligence and have seen how well he handled himself sitting behind Aaron for 3 years. He is now the leader of that team, his teammates are 100% behind their leader.

 

There’s plenty of examples of average, and even below average, QB’s winning playoff games and getting to and winning SB’s. It’s true that a great QB makes it easier and in some cases make up for team deficiencies more so that any other single position, but no single player is going to get a team “over the hump”. If that were true QB’s like Rodgers and Favre would have more than one SB win. Rodgers may be the most gifted QB to ever play, but he played on some bad teams. Marino is the best passer the game has ever seen, yet he got to only one SB and has a losing record in the playoffs. Rodgers and Favre are around .500 in the postseason. P. Manning, who IMO is the GOAT, is one game over .500 in his playoff career.
Yet we see guys like Dilfer, Johnson, Plunkett, Rypien, McMahon, and Hostetler winning SB’s.

I like Love. As I said I think he’s going to be pretty good. Time will tell.

 

I would challenge you saying that a lot of average to below average QBs have won Super Bowls. Plunkett was not below average nor average. Jim McMahon was not below average or average overall. Dilfer and the rest are average, but the fact is it is a rarity.

And most of those who say Favre and Rodgers only won one Super Bowl each are normally fans of teams that have never won a Super Bowl, or fans of teams that have not won one in 50 years. It isn't easy.

Back to Tua...before the thread goes off the rails.

I don't need to defend the most successful franchise in the history of the NFL. Most wins and World Championships.

 

Challenge all you want, but the facts are both Plunkett and McMahon were below average QB’s.

The only people that believe the Packers are the most successful franchise in NFL history are Packers fans.

And you’re missing the point and trolling again, Aquapride.

I clearly gave kudos to Rodgers and Favre. They are great QB’s. However, if only QB’s won SB’s , like you insinuated in your previously ignorant posts, then why don’t they have more than one apiece? I’ll tell you why, it’s because QB’s don’t win games. TEAMS win games.

Your schtick is up, Aquapride.

 

Did you see what this poster said to a respected member like Dark knight in one of his first posts?

Did you see him tell the board “ he knows more about football then anyone will ever know”

Did you see him tell Dark Knight, “ usually I give people a chance, but you’re going on ignore”

When a new poster comes here imo he should have rules, and that is to approach the board with a modicum of respect, this poster did no such thing and quite the opposite

Ohio, we know how to treat a poster who comes humble and ready to talk about ball.. but when someone starts their post with “ I think it’s funny you guys think you’ll win 12 games” and posts their teams training camp schedule on our board and nothing else

We can recognize intentions of the posters and in this case they are not good.

So personally I’m not gonna read all that bs and red flags and then blindly treat him right..

We were right about aqua pride too and now he’s banned.

This part of the forum was getting better because some of us were spending time debating, but when some new poster comes and starts insulting people then it brings it to a stop..

Don’t allow that to happen, we know the rules, allow to use some judgement too because we care about the health of the site

 

What name did I call him?
I’m not sure what part of my post disobeyed the TOS? Can you point it out so I can better understand?

Also, if I wanted to I could create many alt accounts and each would have a different IP address. It’s not hard. It’s pretty obvious that this “new” guy isn’t new. Other than that, no one with good intentions signs up to a sports forum of a team they are not a fan of and immediately starts posts like he has. He may not be aquapride (although I’d bet a lot of money that he is), but he’s not here to have honest conversations. He’s here to rile up people. Which is the very definition of trolling.

 

None of that stuff keeps anyone determined from being able to sign up with a new IP and a new ISP. They could use a VPN and sign on with a cell phone or another computer via the Hotspot on their phone rather than their normal ISP.

 

I said my peace OH and quoted his posts.

 

I’m pretty sure the handle “Packernation” is used by lots of Packer fans. This isn’t this guys first and only account here. I’d bet money on it. I’d also bet money that it’s Aquapride. That guy gets banned and two days later this guy shows up? Is that a coincidence? I think not.

Again, no one with good intentions comes to a fan board for a team they don’t root for and immediately starts posting things like he has. It’s the very definition of trolling.

 

Dan, let it go. Trust me.

If he is a banned member returning under a new name, he’ll expose himself and he’ll be gone.

If he isn’t, his own conduct will determine his fate.

After being under fire so many times in Afghanistan and Iraq, I don’t sweat the small stuff.

 

If we all know what he is and we respond ( which is what they want) then it’s our fault. So, let’s not respond, regardless of the temptation..

Their goal is to come here and be involved in all the threads (which is exactly what’s happening as you can see, which means real personal issues if you think about it) and get people responding,? this is how they get the attention they seek, by controlling the boards attention.

 

I hear ya, but when an obvious troll is running amok while I’m getting public and private warnings for calling them a troll something is wrong and I find it difficult to stay silent.

I’ll just ignore the guy though. For the betterment of the forum.