Would you give up a ton of picks for Murray?

Miami clearly wants him, but there's a decent chance he goes #1 overall. If that's the case, then I don't want him....it goes against everything we're trying to do in Miami (build draft picks and youth, not toss them out). To get him #1 overall, we're probably looking at this years #1, next years #1 and Howard or Fitzpatrick. That's just too much for my blood.

If he slides out of the top 5 though (remember, things change drastically from today to draft day), then yes...I want him! If we can give this year's 1st and 2nd for him, then I'm all for it (or a combo of early mid round picks for 2019/2020). it's really out of our hands at this time though, we just have to see how things unfold in the hype leading up to the draft.

Depends on what is considered "a ton" of picks. I was 100% all-in on him at 13 when he declared, and I would have been willing to make a move into the top 10 if it didn't mean a huge sacrifice.

At this point though, it seems the worst he will fall is 4, and it's likely he is going 1st overall. That's a bounty I'm not sure I will give up. I wouldn't freak out if Grier did it, but I don't think it's the right move. Would rather see us "tank" to a bottom 5ish pick next year and target someone at a more reasonable cost.

Well, here's something else to think about. If we grab Murray at #1 overall, this suddenly isn't a "tank year" anymore and we'd likely start spending salary cap money immediately. If we could get Murray for this year's 1st and our 1st/2nd next season, then we can still draft a line this year and possibly make it exciting.

So I changed my mind- I want Murray at #1 since it takes us out of the Tank for Tua sweepstakes. My only condition is that I don't give up Howard as part of the trade!

If Murray where there at 13, I would take any offer to move down. No question.

Murray falling to us would be worth the risk and make an interesting year for us fans as we debate, "is he the chosen one?". Giving up more picks and especially a first in 2020 to get him would be a HUGE risk. If he turned into a franchise QB then the cost is perfectly acceptable, but the odds of that happening would be 25%? About 50% under the best of circumstances and Murray has been pushed up in a weak QB class.

I would be shocked, shocked I tell you:evil: if Miami stays on the same path that has led us to long term mediocrity. I have no idea if this guy is a good QB, but if the Dolphins cannot block or stop the run we are just spinning our wheels. Fix the lines, cut the dead weight, build up some extra salary cap space and then draft a QB.

Ok so we go all the way up to #1. We give away probably our firsts and seconds for this year and next year (at a minimum). We draft Murray. Who's blocking for him? I mean Tunsil is good but he's not that good.

What are we doing on the defensive side of the ball? Who's getting pressure on the opposition QB?

My point in this is that this roster has a huge number of holes that need to be filled if we wish to have a competitive team. Kyler Murray does not solve the problems this roster has. Could he help? Probably, but he doesn't solve the problem.

This is all speculation of course and there is no evidence that Arizona have any interest in trading away the first pick.

Why think about trading up when our team overall is weak. 1 good offensive lineman. 1 good Wr. No good te. Stacked at rb. No great def. lineman. 2 decent ones. No great linebacker. 1 great cb. And minkah. We don’t even have a team. What can we spare to trade up? I feel the tank is in full effect. As of right now. We are 0-16 next year. And falk is made of paper. Great for practice squad where he can’t get hit.
Seriously though. How do we put a good team together at this point? We currently only have 7 draft picks. If we’re lucky 4 of those will pan out.
Next year looks bleak to me.

Not by the hair of my chinny, chin, chin... and I have a 48 year old beard!

"RevRick wrote:

Not by the hair of my chinny, chin, chin... and I have a 48 year old beard!

Your beard is older than me. :up:

My own beard lasts about a week, and then I shave because it won't grow any more and looks terrible. :chuckle:

Murray will be a bust.

Ha! Thanks for the thoughts, ya'll. Looks like it's just me and someone too embarrassed to post under their real name that is in favor of going all out for Murray, LOL! (Thanks anyway, whoever you are). I am definitely in favor of building up the trenches, but I also think it's a QB league and if we have a chance at getting a guy we need to go for it. It takes a lot of luck to have one drop into our laps like Marino. If we are going to get a someone legit we have to be aggressive, make it happen, and take the risk. Otherwise, I fear we will be stuck in mediocrity for forever.

No. I probably would have done it for Baker Mayfield last year but personally, I don't think that Murray is in the same class as Baker. I'd be prepared to move up for Lock or Haskins without betting the house but, unfortunately, I think all 3 will be out of our reach without giving away too much. There are other needs on this team as well as QB.

For a franchise quarterback like a Mahomes or a Mayfield type, id give up three first round picks to make sure we are set for 15 years at that position. Quarterback is everything.

Im not sure Murray is that guy though. But he had an impressive pro day in which he made everything look effortless.

Like Mahomes, like Wilson, Murray will be a great Qb.

"djphinfan wrote:

Like Mahomes, like Wilson, Murray will be a great Qb.

Even though we are loading picks up for the 2020 draft, I guess it would be safe to say there is no reason why we couldn't trade some of those picks to move up in the 2019 draft. The Cardinals could decide to stick with Rosen. If we do sell the farm. I sure hope you are right.

Let's not turn this into another Murray fight, OK? There are no winners when that happens.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

For a franchise quarterback like a Mahomes or a Mayfield type, id give up three first round picks to make sure we are set for 15 years at that position. Quarterback is everything.

Im not sure Murray is that guy though. But he had an impressive pro day in which he made everything look effortless.

Yet Mahomes went out of the top 10. Aside from a few inches and less groin gestures, Murray imo is more talented than Mayfield.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Let's not turn this into another Murray fight, OK? There are no winners when that happens.

Wasn't it you that said that if Murray was there at 13 you would trade down, no question? Looks like you drew first blood to me. You can't expect someone to not take the opposite point of view, especially if they feel very strongly about Murray.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

Wasn't it you that said that if Murray was there at 13 you would trade down, no question? Looks like you drew first blood to me. You can't expect someone to not take the opposite point of view, especially if they feel very strongly about Murray.

I suppose thats fair. But I wasn't discussing Murray himself one way or the other.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I suppose thats fair. But I wasn't discussing Murray himself one way or the other.

I am a little confused. How are people supposed to respond to a question about trading a bunch of picks for Murray and not give their opinion on the guy?

Until recently I did not think Miami was even close to being interested due to the cost of getting to 1 or 2. Then on March 13th I watched Matt Moore at the OU pro-day watching every throw from KM and taking notes. The next morning I saw the tweet from Gill Brandt about the Miami staff staying behind for a KM private workout. So my questions now is why would Miami keep folks back for a private workout? Do they feel they have a shot at getting KM? There must be something there because I can't see any reason Miami would throw smoke regarding KM.

My wife is from the Norman OK area and when they played that was the ONLY game we could watch. KM is an electric player. He would completely energize the whole team and fan base. He has attributes like Barry Sanders and like Russell Wilson. I am in no way saying he is both or either but if Barry and Russell had a baby it would be Kyler. LOL Before you get a rope let me explain.

Like Barry in that he has stop and go much like him. He goes from complete stop to full speed in a split second and can stop and start on a dime. That is the Barry attribute.

Like Russell in that when he is scrambling he always is looking down-field. And he's a great scrambler. Just watch the Alabama game. OU didn't win but he makes some excellent plays in that game. One play KM is taking off and in a split second he sees a teammate coming open deep and with a flick he throws the ball about 55 yards and drops it in a bucket, TD! Crazy throw!!!

Up until this week I was all about building the trenches. Since Wednesday March 13th, I have done a complete about face and would give, this year's 1 and 2, next year's 1 and 2 to get Kyler. It may take more and I am not sure how much I would give up to get to pick 1 but a little more I am sure. I would not give 2021 picks away. With the rest of our picks though I would definitely get some Oline picks to bolster.

I say go get em!!!

If there was any possible way to trade for him, I say do it. Next season becomes a learning season and yet a potentially fun one despite probably not being a playoff team. I'm of the group that feels that the Quarterback is everything in football. If you have a mainstay at that position, you'll always have a chance to win games. Every game is watchable, every game is exciting, every time your quarterback steps on the field, your team has a chance. Kyler Murray is that dude. Dan Marino was that guy...We had no running game with him, no defense until he was way older, I mean...Marino was basically the Miami Dolphins and we were always competitive, we always had a chance with him on any Sunday. We need a quarterback that can always give us hope every week. Again....Kyler Murray is that electric of a player and he can do it. The Cardinals signed Brett Hundley...Not sure what they are thinking or where they are going on draft day, but it looks like it's either Murray or Bosa for them and if it's Bosa, then Kyler Murray becomes a very attainable option for us if we want him.