With the #12 pick in the 2013 draft the Miamai Dolphins select....

A guy can dream can't he? I hope we do trade up though, I want us to pick a very talented player

 

.... but we wouldn't need to use a #12 pick to replace Misi in base defense, so we'd essentially be drafting Jones as a situational pass rusher. Not sure that's the best move.

 

Eff that...He'd be sweet in Misi's spot opposite Wake. Slide Odrick inside and put Vernon on DE. He's the most dynamic pass rusher in this year's draft.

 

While simultaneously being extremely cheap about it

 

Not sure Coyle would want to change our scheme, nor weaken us against the run.

 

That's exactly what I see happening. I think they'd like to get better in situational pass rushing but I see them doing it in a way that fosters competition rather than doing it in a way that essentially slams the door in Olivier Vernon's face a year after drafting him. That means a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. Someone like Lemonier or Carridine.

 

Only way this happens is if the stenosis drops him out of the 1st round.

 

Logically speaking that makes the most sense.

 

It's a damn shame too...

Man, we should drop.

 

I think that kind of player could easily be a fit within what the Dolphins do, but it would require them changing some stuff that is a bit of an assumption. The base defense is already running what is basically a viable 3-4 package. They also run a lot of similar fronts in both base and nickel packages.

It's just like was mentioned, Koa Misi did pretty well, and they don't seem to blitz Misi's position. He's pretty much a normal linebacker in terms of tendency in the base package, although they'll occasionally move him to Nickel edge rushing positions. Manny Lawson was the same way.

 

BTW, I can't remember the last time I saw a defensive tackle play sideline to sideline in linebacker-esque pursuit like I do from Sheldon Richardson. The more I watch Sheldon the more I'm inclined to let Starks walk and use his cap space elsewhere. He's certainly one way to increase QB pressure. With Solia drawing double teams next to him, Richardson could be quite disruptive behind the LOS.

One thing I'm enamored with is how Richardson's speed and pursuit ability translates to today's game of mobile QBs. It would make him a real asset IMO.

 

Yet not necessarily the best thing for the team, IMO.

 

Sheldon Richardson is essentially a defensive end. That's how I consider him. I remember Mizzou often had Aldon Smith rush from defensive tackle, too. Richardson is there full time but I think in the pros he should move out.

 

I agree, but at the same time I think it would hold more true if we had few holes and a great SAM hybrid could legitimately be viewed as BPA. If we were talking a Von Miller clone then I'd likely be saying adios to whomever is already at the position.... but I'm not convinced Jones is that type of difference maker.

 

It's like nobody has heard of Clay Matthews...Make space and get him.


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Carridine would be a great pickup in the 3rd IMO. Haven't seen Sam Montgomery mentioned as Rd1 possibility, any thoughts on him?

 

I could see him playing Odrick's spot, but I also see him as an outstanding 1 gap defensive tackle where, in my eyes, he seems capable of creating more pressure than on the outside b/c of his outstanding first step and ability to get skinny between linemen and blow through them. I think Bama's talented line had to double him all game to slow him down. With Soliai commanding doubles next to Richardson I think he could do some real damage from DT.

 

Definitely. In fact I think Dion Jordan may be more likely to be that kind of talent.

The one rule I'm not sure I see them wavering on is about participation. When they took Jared Odrick it was because they knew Starks was moving to NT and so Odrick was going to start at RE. When they took Vontae Davis there was never any hesitation or competition, he was to be the team's starting CB. When they took Jake Long he was certainly going to be immediately the starter at LT. When they took Mike Pouncey they gave him elements of the play book before they gave them to most other players, and it was understood he was the 16 game starter at C the moment he was drafted. Tannehill they took either knowing they were going to start him, or having a pretty good idea that he could win the job.

Even in the 2nd round arguably the only players they did not make immediate starters were Pat White, Chad Henne (both QBs) and Daniel Thomas. And with Henne, Sparano confessed that until Pennington fell in their laps the plan was to start Henne as a rookie. It was understood with Thomas that he was to take about half the carries, provided he doesn't disappoint (which obviously he did). It should also be noted the Dolphins drafted Thomas before they managed to get Reggie Bush out or New Orleans so they very well could've been thinking Thomas was their main back the moment they drafted him. Pat White was, as Parcells has said many times, a departure from their philosophy.

So it's going to take a LOT of evidence to convince me they're drafting someone at #12 overall that would be slated to be a role player. They seem keenly focused on 1st and 2nd round picks playing a lot as rookies.

 

Comes closer to fitting what I view to be their ideals at the position, but in the end I don't think Montgomery grades high enough. But I could be wrong.

 

Not sure I agree on him at DT. We will see.

 

It means I don't think the team will sign Starks. IMO, they can only keep 1 of Jake Long or Randy Starks. I think they'd rather keep Long. So Odrick slides in, and that suddenly unoccupied DE spot needs to be filled, preferably by a pass rusher.

It doesn't have to be Dion Jordan, but I think the board at 12 will have a disproportionate amount of DEs.

But who knows, we're just under 4 months out from the draft.

 

Then how about being more fluid with the dline and letting Odrick & Richardson mix it up at both DE & DT? I mean, why relegate it to just one or the other position when both players offer different attributes to each position, no?

 

Hey they added 10 rows in the morgue...check it out 2maro when you watch the game..our stadium has fake rows lol

 

at least with Jordan you'd have the option of developing him at end if need be..... but we wouldn't have that luxury with Jones.

that definitely makes sense.

 

Chance Warmack....sort of kidding.

I'd be on board with Okafor, Ansah, Eifert, Eric Fischer, Milliner, or Banks. Sheldon Richardson seems like a wild-card, though I'm not sure if he's more of that undersized DT like the Bengals have in Geno Atkins than he is an oversized DE like we saw with Odrick last year.

 

- they both have us taking Keenan, which wouldn't upset me, but I suspect we will surprise people and take a CB in Milliner or Banks... If they are available and if we stay at #12

- Tavon Austin going to the Pats is a nightmare I don't want to think about

- Not surprised Ziggy Ansah is shooting up draft boards already, ****. Looks like he'll be the 'raw kid with incredible upside who has only played the sport for a couple years' story for the media this year. I was hoping to get him at the ottom of the first (by trading back into the first witha second and a third). Bye Ziggy. You're now in a no man's land that ensures we won't get you.

 

C'mon spinal stenosis...

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If we don't keep Hartline or get Jennings then we must have spent the FA money on Jake Long, I can only assume.

And perhaps a TE, since Fasano is rumored to be leaving.

(I hope Ireland doesn't lose out on great talent because he penny pinches this year. It's good to be thrifty some years... So you can be un-thrifty when it's time to strike.)

 

I have trouble with seeing why Odrick should be playing DE at all.

 

I wonder if Miami can develop something out of Olivier Vernon, if they don't try and mix in more 3-4 looks with Odrick as an oversized DE, a la Seattle or Baltimore's defenses. He's obviously played that before in Miami; it's just that neither Misi nor Vernon look like a K.J. Wright type of player opposite Wake. Maybe Vernon develops into a poor man's Courtney Upshaw? And that's reaching by me there.

 

Geno Atkins was a wonderful player coming out of Georgia and I didn't understand why people thought him undersized. He was one of my top mancrushes. I see Sheldon Richardson as a different kind of player, closer to a Fletcher Cox.

For the record I see Jon Cooper as more likely for them as opposed to Chance Warmack, and I see Lane Johnson or Taylor Lewan more likely than Eric Fisher.

 

To your point about being new to the sport, there are things he does on the football field that leave you thinking, "Does he know he's playing American football?"

 

If they took Richardson, could you see my theory about incorporating more 3-4 looks work if they put him at DE and moved Odrick inside?

 

Not sure what you're saying. Richardson and Odrick at end with Soliai in the middle? I suppose Wake and Vernon on the outsides?

It's valid, I just don't know if it's what Kevin Coyle wants to do.

 

Which is why it makes sense to let Starks leave, so we can actually get maximum ROI from that 1st rounder. I'd trade Odrick but since he plays out of position no one knows he's actually good yet.

Something else to consider, and I thought I may start a thread on it but it's a bit premature.... We are spending a lot of time slotting players from FA and the draft into our lineup here, but I think the way the value on this years draft board is falling, and with all of our picks, there's a strong chance we see a draft day trade where we send some team picks or our top pick for a current NFL starter.

It's not something that happens often, but I can see it occurring this time. A combination of factors creates the perfect storm:
1) We need immediate impact players at WR, TE, OL, CB, DE. (also, Jeffy is on the hot seat to win now)
2) We have more picks than usual
3) The draft is weak at the very top (few elite, can't miss types), meaning you can't count on your picks to contribute immediately to the same degree as in a year with elite prospects. A #12 overall this year won't have the same chance to impact on gameday as a #12 overall in a more top-heavy year.

What I am trying to do now is run through which teams have players they would like to move, either for cap reasons (and we have cap room) or otherwise. Specifically, which WRs, O-linemen or TE's could be had? I doubt Ireland tras for a CB as it would open him to criticism about getting a second round pick for Vontae. However trading our #12, or our second and third round picks for a starter elsewhere I could see happening.

A shot in the dark, but this is how Fasano came to us. Don't overlook trading picks for players as the draft nears, if no one on our board looks immediately impactful at our positions of need. Ireland doesn't have job stability and he knows it. Immediacy wins out over long term projects this offseason.

 

Touche'. I don't mind him there in base D (would rather have Ansah though), but I shudder when seeing him come off the edge in nickel.

 

He's a pretty bad dude.

 

That's what I was saying. Not as a base defense, it's just something I noticed them doing more, though not "often", as Olivier Vernon got more playing time throughout the year. Incorporating more 3-4 looks and 3-3-5 nickel looks when using Vernon on the edge opposite Wake. I think they also even used Josh Kaddu there very briefly in the Jacksonville game opposite Vernon.

 

It's a blessing and a curse. At times he just seems to figure out what's going on and decide to muck up the offense the best way he can... And not in a way a high school coach would teach.

I've said it before and I will say it again... The way Alan Page was unorthodox at disrupting blocking and just taking the shortest path to destroying play designs, regardless of if it made sense, that's what I see Andah do. Incredible mind for adapting and figuring out the machinery of a play instinctively, then anticipating how to best short circuit it.

Only where Page looked analytical about it, Ansah is positively unruly.

 

Ansah is not all that amazing off the edge either. What makes him great is not his outside rush. It's his power and unpredictability.

He is the anti-Wake.