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Why the Ryan Tannehill era is over in Miami

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finster, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    My full disclosure on my theory that Gase is done with RT.

    This is a theory, not meant to start a hate war, but to spell out exactly why/where this theory comes from, it's ok if you think it's crazy, I'm just putting it out there because I believe it to be true.

    In an effort to try and curtail angry responses and the escalation that goes with that, remember this is just a theory, you can disagree, and you can call me crazy, but just try to do it in a nice way :up:

    Thank you in advance, for trying to keep this civil.

    I have been paying extremely close attention to Gase and RT, and their relationship, and what has transpired on the field, so I'll try to line them up so you see where I'm going.

    Overview
    Gase comes here with a reputation as being an offensive innovator and QB guru, so why does the offense look the same?

    Sometimes the most obvious questions are the ones we miss, why is the O so similar to what it's been since week 4 of Lazors first season?

    Ryan Tannehill.

    He is very limited in the mental aspects of being a QB, the offense is not custom built to enhance his strengths, it's custom built to circumnavigate his flaws, and there's a big difference between the two.

    Why's, What's and Wherefore's
    RT is limited to what Gase trusts him to run, and what he can run, which is why there is no hurry up O, which was to be a big part of Gase's O, but that was shelved early on.

    RT rarely works from under center, he hasn't done well in Gase's system under center, so he's always in shotgun, which is what you do when your QB has field vision and or footwork issues.

    RT has 4 TDs from under center this year, MM has 3, Gase can work MM from under center or in shotgun, RT, not so much.

    No "read open" routes for RT, he has a limited number of routes he throws well, screens, outs, comebacks, curls, slants, but none can be read open, which is why there is so much short stuff with RT, you want him throwing underneath coverage, not over.

    Another thing that pushes RT underneath is his lack of touch, strong arm, but very lacking in touch.

    So there's why the O looks so similar, RT is limited to what he can do as a QB, you can't run a hurry up, you can't run him under center, and he has limited routes.

    Reading Between the Lines
    I have been watching Gase on the sides lines during games, I've seen what I thought were grimace's after many throws, now it could have been a lot of things, but they were in concert with my own grimaces at the throw, or choice of throw.

    To my eyes, they had gotten worse as the season went on, I also saw. what I thought was RT having to do a lot of explaining at times, again, this is just supposition.

    End Game
    Once RT got hurt, my theory was going to be put to the test, I had already come to the conclusion that Gase was going to move on from RT, but now that RT was hurt I would see if my theory was true.

    So based on all this, I predicted last week after the game that the O might look different with MM at the helm, and that if it did, that was a sure sign that my theory is true.

    Well, my prediction came true, the passing attack was completely different, no dink and dunk, not one pass attempted to a RB, no screens, like a completely different offense.

    You can say I'm crazy, and that is fine, but I did predict the change in O, so even if you think I'm crazy, that is a pretty compelling fact, and it makes me wonder if we might see the return of the hurry up in the next couple weeks...?
     
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  2. SlyFoxxx

    SlyFoxxx Sorry for Party Rocking

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    I'm a big Matt Moore fan and a smaller Ryan fan. The offense looked different because they have different strengths but even I think they swallow their pride, hand Ryan the $20M, try to keep Moore from retiring again, and try to make a run next year. I can't imagine they hand the reigns over to a 32yo journeyman or rookie with as much talent as this offense has.
     
  3. Runnincm

    Runnincm Active Member

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    Im not a fan of Tannehill, but the whole season Gase has been pretty clear everybody is expendable except Tannehill. I certainly hope that Gase is moving on.
     
  4. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    It took you all of that to think we'd see a change in the offense?
    Not that we were starting a backup QB with 5 years worth of rust which our opponent had NO tape to use on gave it away or anything.

    "The RT Era is over" because you're reading Gases face on the sidelines :lol:

    This is easily the safest bet of my life, so for the fourth time i'm begging you to pony up on this in any way you'd like.
     
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  5. Ronnie Bass

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    Com'on man
     
  6. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm making a bold prediction. The Dolphins may win or may lose this week against the Bills. I spoke to Rex Ryan's foot fetish masseuse and she told me that the entire NFL is starting to fear Matt Moore and his ability to displace a young, cannon armed, physical freak of an athlete..
    I hope Tannehill doesn't read this thread, he may call Gase this evening and start begging for his job back.
     
  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    That's only a half-truth though ..... as there is tape out on Moore - it's just not from him being in this year's offense.
     
  8. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Assumed it went without saying.... Thanks for the distinction..... lol.... I said what I said on purpose.
     
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  9. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This Will Be The Thread
    by invid

    This will be the thread where people let go of their overreactions, yes

    this will be the thread.

    This will be the thread that doesn't dissolve into circular arguments

    yes, this will be the thread.

    This will be the thread posters will abandon long-stood qualms with other posters,

    yes, this will be the thread.

    This will be the thread that changes minds already entrenched,

    Yes. This will be the thread.

    This will be the thread that has concrete, grounded reasoning instead of confirmation bias,

    yes, this will be the thread.

    This will be the thread where after one game against the fifth-worst team in football, the Tannehill/Moore debate will be over

    yes, this will be the thread.

    But by the time this thread is over, I'll probably be dead.
     
  10. gilv13

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  11. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I never put anything past posters on this site - not even you. :tongue2:
     
  12. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Not a chance in hell.
     
  13. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ryan Tannehill is more solidified as the Miami Dolphins franchise QB than he's probably ever been before.
     
  14. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I knew this thread was coming, and I knew the strength of the opponent Moore just dunked on wouldn't be mentioned once. Not taking anything away from Moores awesome game, It's just funny how on this board 'opponent strength' seems to be a focal point for discussion about QBs (especially when Tannehill plays well), but Moore happens to be the 'end of Tannehill' after just one game.

    Pretty sure it was already established that 'ditching the hurry up' and 'calls at the line not being in sync as well as Gase wanted' were because of everyone learning the new system earlier in the season, Tannehill included. This wasn't just a Tannehill issue even if you want to try and make it one. This has been discussed before.

    I also love the insinuation that Gase is just chomping at the bit to move on from Tannehill.

    Earlier in the season when we were 1-3:
    It sure sounds like everything is going pretty much how Gase expected it to from that point forward, actually. With Tannehill playing some of the best football in his career during a win streak that Gase all but predicted. RT isn't going anywhere.
     
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  15. Stitches

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    Let's get this sound and unquestionably proven theory over to the Dolphins FO ASAP, so they can make the preparations to move on from Tannehill. They may have the wrong idea about when his time is up, so we mustn't quell the sign of the times when it's been laid out so clearly in front of us.
     
  16. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

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  17. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Great idea. I'm starting a Kickstarter project that will use the OP's thesis to fund a flying banner campaign around the stadium until Tannehill is released.
     
  18. skp

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    Huh, I could've sworn some guy named Manning who will be inducted into the HoF in a little less than 5 years LOVED playing out of the shotgun.
     
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  19. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Good lord, this thread....
     
  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Here's the part most people are missing though- the club already has pretty ironclad opinions of Moore and Tannehill. I know for a fact that RT was slated as the 2016 starter before a coach was hired and Gase agreed to evaluate him fully this season. The footwork, the pocket presence, the deep balls...they've all improved considerably under Gase. So whatever he recommends this offseason, I think Ross is going to accept and go along with- even if it's to trade RT away in favor of someone like Romo or Moore.

    I also think it's unquestionable that Gase sees a lot he likes in Tannehill. He defended him in the early weeks and admitted that he was trying to limit his weaknesses by calling things conservative. We have three ultra-agile receivers that can make you pay all over the field as well though, and it's pretty obvious that we are not using them to their potential. This team should be putting up 40 a game easy on most afternoons, yet last week's 34 was the best we've seen all season. And it's because Tannehill just isn't all the way there yet.

    So I don't know. If not Tannehill, then who would Gase hand the reins over to? As much as I love Moore I don't think it would be him due to his age, and next year's QB class is nothing to get too excited over. So we'd almost have to be talking about a free agent journeyman and I don't see anyone out there that's a plug and play for this offense.

    For that reason alone, I'm thinking we see Tannehill stay as the starter. But we really have no idea what's going through Gase's mind- it's very hard to predict.
     
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  21. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    This is just laughably false, I'm sorry. Not even remotely true (And that's not even considering that you seem to be implying the QB is the only one responsible for points??)

    if what you're saying is true, Tannehill wouldn't:
    1) lead the league in deep balls for a majority of the year (pretty much solidified top 3 all year.)
    2) have a career high in completion percentage (we're talking 1.8% less than Penningtons best)
    3) be the #1 redzone QB in the NFL

    FOH.
     
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  22. Sloopy

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    I think the issue here comes down to whether Gase thinks his tutelage can get a lot more out of another QB than it can out of Tannehill.

    Consider the following hypothetical.

    Gase uses his expertise to coax everything possible out of Tannehill, and it results in a passer rating of let's say 100, which gives the Dolphins a certain likelihood of winning in the league.

    On the other hand, Gase uses his expertise to coax everything possible out of a QB with better ability, which results in a passer rating of 115 and makes the Dolphins much more likely to win.

    The question is, what does Gase believe about himself, and what does he believe about Tannehill versus another QB who could be available.

    The danger here is that we're so used to trying to coax everything we can out of Ryan Tannehill, that we miss the possibility that Gase can get a whole lot more out of a QB with better ability.

    It's as if Ryan Tannehill is perceived to be "the Dolphins' QB," which keeps us from envisioning a scenario in which Gase's expertise, with a better QB, gives the team a much higher likelihood of winning.

    If we truly have a great head coach and QB whisperer on our hands, then I'd sure like to see what he can get out of a QB who has truly elite ability. The Dolphins could conceivably dominate the league in that scenario.

    I sure don't want to get mentally locked in to Ryan Tannehill such that I never experience that possibility and that dominance, and I hope Gase isn't locked in mentally like that either.
     
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  23. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    He seems to be implying that was all Gase, at least that's how it reads.

    If this team were to trade RT away for Romo...I'd be through.

    This team should be putting up 40 easy, most weeks...really? No team in the history of the NFL has ever done that. We have the best WRs ever to take the field? The 2007 Cheatriots put up 36 a game. He's saying we're better than that team with Randy Moss? Possible GOAT WR and winningest QB in history?

    GTFO.
     
  24. dWreck

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    Yeah he's talking fictional Madden numbers. Utter nonsense.

    And IDK about that, Maybe you're right but the way it read (to me) was Tannehill is 'under-utilizing our WR talent' and 'isn't scoring as much as he should', which is just comically false. Does he even type that out if Moore doesn't have that game vs the NYJ? I don't think so.

    Yeah with our offensive lines history lets go from one of the most durable QBs in the history of the NFL to someone like Romo, lol.
     
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  25. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    With the unexpected success of our team this year, someone stills feels a need to come out and call the new HC a liar. Fandom has changed quite a bit since I started.
     
  26. Triggercut

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    Funny how crying looks like laughter with no sound...
     
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  27. Hoops

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    I will only post one quick direct take on this topic

    Barring tannehills future career being in jeopardy once they take that hip to lower leg cast off there's not a chance in hell of this happening

    They will be picking up the rest of that contract at or before the 5th day of the new league year
     
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  28. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    My favorite stat of Tanny's ...... only 389 attempts thus far.

    He had been averaging 562 attempts/year, which was insane IMO. Glad Gase recognized this. In fact, he is likely to finish with the fewest attempts he's had in his 5 year career.
     
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  29. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    amazing that we actually have to read this crap with a 9 win team on the verge of the playoffs. Matt Moore played well against the blitz and we should all be psyched. Anyone who didn't clearly see that Moore can't make all the necessary passes is just plain myopic at best. We can get away with that against a terrible secondary.
     
  30. Fin D

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    You guys forget, these are the same people that expect Thill to do things NO QB HAs EVER DONE like be elite with a **** oline, no running game and not even allowed to audible. And now we're questioning why they think the offense doesn't score 40 a game?

    If Thill won the SB, cured cancer and rescued an orphanage from fire, they'd say, "Yay that's great, but why didn't he invent free renewable energy?"

    Their hatred is obvious and deep. it is fueled by years of being 100% wrong and lacking the testicular fortitude to admit it.

    Just leave them be and they'll go away like the hate trolls they are.
     
  31. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Nevermind the actual run game threat we've had this year or any of the other myriad of factors that play into this. No one on this site is even remotely shocked that's 'your favorite stat'. lol
     
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  32. Fin-O

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    Why you guy's "trolling" OP!?!? :ban:
     
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  33. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Speaking of being wrong and not admitting it, someone should let finster know it turns out that Suh guy is actually prettyyy good, and trading Wake for a 4th/5th rounder or later is looking pretty dumb right about now ;)
     
  34. Runnincm

    Runnincm Active Member

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    Tannehill is the reason that the oline looks so bad.
     
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  35. cbrad

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    Bold prediction Finster!

    I've been on the fence about Tannehill being our franchise QB, but even I'd argue it's far more likely he'll be the QB chosen to lead the Dolphins for at least several more years (mostly because there isn't a clear alternative that could come in right away and perform as well).

    The more interesting question for me is whether Gase drafts a mid-round QB to groom while keeping Tannehill. Well either way, we'll relatively quickly find out if the Tannehill era is over or not.
     
  36. Stringer Bell

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    Can't imagine they get rid of Tannehill this offseason. More likely they address the position in the draft, and try to generate some competition.


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  37. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    With the holes this team has, there is approximately a zero percent chance we draft a mid or early round QB unless its related to tannehills injury. You can bank on that.

    Late, maybe. Assuming they think Doughty is trash.
     
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  38. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    Solid NFL practice to always have a young guy grooming behind the starter. The best teams do it (we've failed at it for years).
     
  39. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Really?

    It wasn't Thomas, Turner and Fox?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
     
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  40. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 Rosen's Roughnecks Club Member

    I almost want to make that my sig...almost.
     
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