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why not ingram and ponder to solve our QB and RB problem and go OL and TE in FA ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by fastball83, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. fastball83

    fastball83 Active Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    Hello from france everydolfan !

    I'am coming back from 2 weeks of work and I am happy to found this forum again !

    We have many problem on offensive side, and for me we must continue with young player.....so in my opinion we will draft a RB and a QB.

    I don't know much college football, but mark ingram seems to be a sure choice without many risk......so why not him with our first and pick ponder in the third (he was a first round projection before the season and seems better than henne for me).

    with that, we could get 1 or 2 good OL in FA and at TE why not a FA too ?

    opinion !
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  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2007
    Ponder isnt solving any problem...
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  3. X-Pacolypse

    X-Pacolypse Loose Cannon

    Jan 17, 2011
    Hollywood, California
    LOL @ Ponder. Dude is just another Chad Pennington. This franchise needs more than that at the QB position.
  4. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Ponder is the polar opposite of Pennington.
  5. princekong2

    princekong2 New Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Hey Man Im With You On That, Either Ponder or McElroy in the Later Rounds And There will be a Smile on my face, the only thing that you might wanna reconsider is prolly drafting an O-Linemen in the first round, what a runningback w.o a Line?
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  6. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

    Mar 25, 2008
    Thee...Ohio State University
    Rbs are too easy to find to pick one at 15, ecspecially when we need to fix the OL.
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  7. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

    Nov 29, 2007
    over there
    I think he meant injury wise and the kid hasn't reached the big stage yet.
  8. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2010
    More myth than fact. The great ones are usually found in the 1st round.

    I think singing D Williams via FA would allow Miami to draft bpa, but otherwise Ingrim makes the most sense. RW is not likely to be back after his comments and Ronnie will probably go to the highest bidder. Miami doesn't appear to think re-signing him is at the top of the "to do" list. Given Ronnie's age and injury history we need another quality RB to at least share the load even if he was re-signed.

    Not a lot of good TEs in FA, although Miller (Oak), Lewis (Jac), and Owens (Hou) would be solid additions.

    Not sure if Miami will be willing to pay the $$ to sign interior OL help especially given the hefty contracts to Long and Carey...Nicks, Mankins, Dohl, Joseph, Kalil will all want big contracts if they don't resign with current team.
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  9. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

    Aug 4, 2009
    It would be hard to pass on Ingram at #15 because he's an impact player... a blue chip, three down back. How many impact players can we keep passing on? I generally don't like taking RB's in the first round but this guy and top FA O linemen or two and our running game is back in business.
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  10. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2008
    palm beach county fl
    If we get Ingram I would be a happy camper.
  11. Da-PhinZ

    Da-PhinZ New Member

    May 9, 2010
    To me Ingram does not seem very explosive. If we are to spend a 1st on a running back then I want explosiveness and big play-making ability.
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  12. X-Pacolypse

    X-Pacolypse Loose Cannon

    Jan 17, 2011
    Hollywood, California
    I will say this about Ponder, much like Penny his intangibles and work ethic is off the charts. Dude is extremely intelligent, and just seems like a guy who will be the first one in the door and the last guy out. My concerns are his injury history, and not having the most ideal arm strength. I mean, it's stronger than Penny's noodle arm. Hell, just about anybody has a stronger arm than Pennington. If you can throw over three yards without the ball fluttering, your arm is better than Penny's
  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

    Jan 14, 2008
    Alexandria, VA
    Honestly, as fans we should be fed up with bottom feeding and searching for late or even 2nd round talent in the QB position. It is the MOST important position in the game. RB gets less important every year. Consider me devastated if we take Engram with our first pick. And our team will continue to struggle on in mediocrity if that's the pick and we don't address QB adequately.
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  14. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Je ne pense que Christian Ponder est une bonne QB. Je prefere Blaine Gabbert, Kirk Cousins, ou Greg McElroy. Je voudrais Mark Ingram mais Les Dolphins ai plus des problemes. Malheureusement, Je ne pense que il sera facil a construire un bonne equipe.
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    Ingram yes, ponder notsomuch..TJ Yates/Dalton/Devlin are more interesting to me.
  16. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

    Aug 22, 2010
    Ponder- Je pence que no.
  17. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

    Aug 22, 2010
    How many "players" from the first round have done that?

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    North Carolina
    actually, there are at least 4 pretty good TEs available in FA this year ..... all better than Fasano IMHO
  19. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    I don't like Ponder
  20. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

    Mar 15, 2009
    Added: If Julio Jones is gone before us (which will probably happen) then the only options for us at #15 are Ingram and one of the top Tackles (Derrick Sherrod, Nate Solder, or Anthony Castanzo). It's too early for TE and the rest is all defense. I really don't want a RT/G that high, but if Ingram is gone, then we almost have no choice since we don't know what FA will bring. Ingram will probably be there though, so I'm guessing he's the pick since he's the only offensive playmaker worthy of that high a pick.

    I'd much rather trade back, grab Pouncey with the 1st pick to make sure our Interior Oline is addressed, grab one of the talented RBs in the 2nd (Ryan Williams or Jordan Todman), then use the 3rd and 4th on playmaking WRs (Jerrel Jernigan, Austin Pettis, Greg Little) or TE (Lance Kendricks, DJ Williams).

    I wish we could trade back to recoup our 2nd AND find a way to pick up an extra 3rd.
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  21. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

    Jan 27, 2010
    Ingram at 15 is a big time reach IMO. Sure he can run thru gaping holes and truck overmatched college DBs, but I don't see him as an elite RB on the NFL level so I cant agree with taking him that high. If we cant trade outta there then Id rather go with Pouncey, one of the top corners or a pass rusher. Ideally, we can trade down & pick up a 2nd, take Pouncey-RWilliams-Devine-Jernigan). Then sign a vet RB for insurance, Marcedes Lewis and Jacoby Jones, we'd have a pretty formidable group IMO. Thats a lot of dough I know, but Ronnie and Ricky are coming off the books, that's about 7-8 million. We can cut Will Allen (7 million), Chad Pennington 4-5 million and Corey Procter (2 million), that's a total of over 20 million to spend elsewhere.
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  22. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

    Nov 1, 2009
    In the last 5 years:
    Chris Johnson
    Steven Jackson
    Thomas Jones
    Adrian Peterson
    LaDainian Tomlinson
    Jamal Lewis
    Larry Johnson
    Shaun Alexander
    Edgerrin James
  23. Cass

    Cass Active Member

    Apr 24, 2009
    Bristol, England
    If Ingram is still there at #15, which I expect he will be, I quite like the idea of trading back and picking him up later. The QB position I don't think we should look to address this off-season. It's not that I believe Henne will come good (although under a new OC who knows?), it's more that I don't see any truly better options out there right now. If we're giving up on our "franchise" QB, at least replace him with someone whom we won't be giving up on in the next off season or two.
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  24. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Look, nothing against Ingram, because he's nice and all, but I think we should focus more on getting a QB in the first round.
  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Gotta agree here JS... The thing is, Brown, Williams and Cobbs are all FAs...it's likely that 2 of the 3 are gone. Williams is, as you said, most likely gone for sure. Brown may not be sought after except to teams who already have a go-to guy, but his WC ability might get him a bit more. I don't see that Ireland is 'not looking to re-sign' him, but moreso he's waiting on the CBA issue to be resolved...this could be a frustrating year for football fans if they don't settle this thing.

    But I like Ingram in the first...of course things will change 100 times before the draft and FA [or lack of FA] will impact the draft this year unlike other years...
  26. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

    Sep 10, 2009
    Boone, NC
    Exactly, let's not make the same mistake the Jets made with Kellen Clemens. Which subsequently made them ultra desperate to nab Brett Favre...
  27. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

    Nov 11, 2008
    Ingram has no second gear. Do we really want to draft another back in the first round with this knock?
    Ponder would be a huge project that would fail.
  28. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

    Mar 15, 2009
    But at least he allows you to consistently pick up solid yardage on 1st down which we are sorely missing (and was one of the biggest problems with our offense this year IMO). We're a 2 back offense, so we can still pair him with an explosive COP back and get the best of both worlds. I'd still rather trade back or pick up Ahmad Bradshaw in FA. Bradshaw-Delone Carter would be a nice 1-2 punch IMO. If we're gonna spread things out, I might even think about DeMarco Murray as a #2 back b/c he can catch and is good in space.
  29. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

    Mar 15, 2009
    Off topic...... and it won't happen, but I'd love to grab Nnamdi and trade SS for a 2nd rounder...... and use that 2nd on DeAndre McDaniel to groom behind Bell. That would allow us to upgrade Corner AND solve our Safety problem w/o having to use up a current pick.
  30. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

    Jan 25, 2009
    How about we trade a future pick + Bell for a 2nd round pick and get Robert Sands? I would go nuts.
  31. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

    Mar 15, 2009
    $20 mill elsewhere is nice. If we could get a 3rd for Carey, I'd add him to that mix, too. Jernigan probably wont be there in the 3rd. IMO he's the one of, if not the, best spread WR in the draft. Jacoby would be great if we're going to more 3+ WR spreads..... and with all the TEs this FA, I'd also prefer to pick up one who is game ready rather than waiting for a rookie to develop.

    If this were my team, I'd trade Odrick to the Saints for the FA rights to Carl Nicks instead of giving up a draft pick for him (if we couldn't sign Mankins). They need a DT and we need a LG. ?????
  32. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

    Mar 15, 2009
    It's not a bad idea but I don't think they'd trade Bell yet....... or at least not w/o already having his replacement. He's still an important part of our defense IMO, and his leadership amongst our youth is valuable. We'd be better in the long run in your scenario, but IMO I don't see them wanting to potentially take a step backwards next year to develop a young Safety with their jobs on the line etc after a 7-9 season.

    Now if we traded our 1st back and a guy like Sands or McDaniel represented the BPA at our pick, then they could be hard to pass on regardless of our offensive needs.
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    I would be down with that.

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