Why I think Beck still starts... or his Job to loose

Alen? What did I say ? Lol.

"alen1 wrote:

Alen? What did I say ? Lol.

I dunno, but apparently you arent one of the guys!

Onto the post... I dont see why this has anything to do with Beck still being the starter. Ok, so great. Good teams always have a good starter, and a guy who can manage the game if need be. Yes. thats exactly what you want from your backup. Our situation is simply this... we have beck, we invested a 2nd rounder in him. Obviously were not 100% sold on him, and he may not be what the FO is looking for in a starting QB, however he has some great attributes to him. Then Henne comes along, a nice little gift with our 2nd pick in the 2nd round. You can't pass that up, especially when he's a guy we've targeted all along. Henne has size, intelligence, and a strong accurate arm. We also have McCown, who can be a solid backup. I think that the starting job is Henne's to loose. He's our new regime's guy, Beck isnt. Beck is going to have to do alot to win the job, or Henne is going to have to stink it right up IMO.

As long as our 3 qb's are all given a chance to earn the job, and we decide to start the one who gives us the best chance of winning week in, and week out. I dont care who it is. JUST WIN! :up:

"brandon27 wrote:

I dunno, but apparently you arent one of the guys!

Onto the post... I dont see why this has anything to do with Beck still being the starter. Ok, so great. Good teams always have a good starter, and a guy who can manage the game if need be. Yes. thats exactly what you want from your backup. Our situation is simply this... we have beck, we invested a 2nd rounder in him. Obviously were not 100% sold on him, and he may not be what the FO is looking for in a starting QB, however he has some great attributes to him. Then Henne comes along, a nice little gift with our 2nd pick in the 2nd round. You can't pass that up, especially when he's a guy we've targeted all along. Henne has size, intelligence, and a strong accurate arm. We also have McCown, who can be a solid backup. I think that the starting job is Henne's to loose. He's our new regime's guy, Beck isnt. Beck is going to have to do alot to win the job, or Henne is going to have to stink it right up IMO.

As long as our 3 qb's are all given a chance to earn the job, and we decide to start the one who gives us the best chance of winning week in, and week out. I dont care who it is. JUST WIN! :up:

I am not sure if I did something good or bad but I will take it as a compliment regardless :up:

"alen1 wrote:

I am not sure if I did something good or bad but I will take it as a compliment regardless :up:

if you're not one of the guys... im starting to wonder about you :lol: something you aren't telling us alen? :up:

it was a post on why henne lol!

The two obvious things that are working against Beck are age and status as a holdover from the prior regime. He likely won't be the long-term answer simply because he's old for a second year player. He's also not getting the tiebreaker over either McCown or Henne. If he and one of those two are playing at around the same level, you can expect the guy picked by Parcells/Ireland/Sparano is going to be the one getting the nod.

Now, he might go out there and outplay everybody. If so, good for him. I'm sure they won't bench him if he's really the better guy. His chances really are limited to him being the clear best option, though.

"brandon27 wrote:

if you're not one of the guys... im starting to wonder about you :lol: something you aren't telling us alen? :up:

:lol: I am a growing boys guys. :lol:

Great Post lots of insight I think!

Lol you guys are to funny

Thanks Man!

The only way Henne starts over Beck is if Beck is injured or Henne is given an unfair advantage, which like it or not wouldn't bet the first time that has happened. Beck has had a year of NFL life, what it's like to eat, breathe, travel, sleep and play in the NFL. Johns had a year of working with his coaches and his teammates. John Beck is signed and under contract. If you pay any attention at all to JI's press conference, he clearly states John Beck has done everything the coaches have asked of him. JI also said that taking Henne had nothing to do with how they felt about Beck and his position on this team.

I know some fans here have their own ideas about who they think is best behind center, but John isn't just gonna step aside and let Chad take his spot as starter. If Chad wants it, he better be ready to earn it. This is good news for the coaches and fans of this team. We will see a very good battle in camp for the starting spot. This will also ensure the best player will be starting. A year ago John was getting all sorts of praise, not just from the fans that loved the pick, but most of the former QB now turned commentators, such as Steve Young and Ron Jaworski. John earned those praises for his college career and hard work. Now one season later after a lackluster performance behind the worst team in the league some fans are acting like John was the reason we were so bad, hardly a fair opinion.

Every young QB will have to go to the "school of hard knocks" especially if they start for an 0-11 team with so many key injuries. Heck look at all top 5 picks and Hiesman Trophy winners that failed miserably. I think those that would rather have another QB start for the Dolphins are taking the addition of Henne and running with it. Enjoy the conversation, enjoy the banter, enjoy all the expectations and hopes, but be prepared to see Chad holding a clip borad, cause that's his new job. This isn't a shot at Henne or those that love him, but a vote of confidence in a guy who's whole entire life has been about playing football and the sacrifices made to ensure that life. I think anyone who wants to replace Beck, are the ones missing what's plain as day to those who want him to be the Dolphins QB.

I agree 100%. Henne starting is interesting but him starting doesn't seem to be in the best interests of this franchise unless he plays lights out from the first day of the first mini-camp. Funny how Josh is totally lost in all this. Well, his history speaks for itself.

"feelthepain wrote:

The only way Henne starts over Beck is if Beck is injured or Henne is given an unfair advantage, which like it or not wouldn't bet the first time that has happened. Beck has had a year of NFL life, what it's like to eat, breathe, travel, sleep and play in the NFL. Johns had a year of working with his coaches and his teammates. John Beck is signed and under contract. If you pay any attention at all to JI's press conference, he clearly states John Beck has done everything the coaches have asked of him. JI also said that taking Henne had nothing to do with how they felt about Beck and his position on this team.

I know some fans here have their own ideas about who they think is best behind center, but John isn't just gonna step aside and let Chad take his spot as starter. If Chad wants it, he better be ready to earn it. This is good news for the coaches and fans of this team. We will see a very good battle in camp for the starting spot. This will also ensure the best player will be starting. A year ago John was getting all sorts of praise, not just from the fans that loved the pick, but most of the former QB now turned commentators, such as Steve Young and Ron Jaworski. John earned those praises for his college career and hard work. Now one season later after a lackluster performance behind the worst team in the league some fans are acting like John was the reason we were so bad, hardly a fair opinion.

Every young QB will have to go to the "school of hard knocks" especially if they start for an 0-11 team with so many key injuries. Heck look at all top 5 picks and Hiesman Trophy winners that failed miserably. I think those that would rather have another QB start for the Dolphins are taking the addition of Henne and running with it. Enjoy the conversation, enjoy the banter, enjoy all the expectations and hopes, but be prepared to see Chad holding a clip borad, cause that's his new job. This isn't a shot at Henne or those that love him, but a vote of confidence in a guy who's whole entire life has been about playing football and the sacrifices made to ensure that life. I think anyone who wants to replace Beck, are the ones missing what's plain as day to those who want him to be the Dolphins QB.

I like the way you think and truly hope that John gets a real chance to win the job because I feel that he will do just that. :hi5:

"dgb11112 wrote:

Ok Guys and Alen..
I tend to disagree with this post..

I think that Beck wil be given a chance, and why wouldn't we take Henne or any good QB if they fell to us ( gee who was the dumb*&&T&*%) Coach that passed on one?

Anyway to continue.

To be a successful team in this league you MUST have 2 Talented QB on the roster to be successful long-term. I think that this was something you can't pass on. Let''s look at some of the other teams in the past.

Joe Montana backup Steve Young

Dan Marino backup Don Strock

Bob Griese backup Earl Morrall

John Elway backup Gary Kubiak

Jim Kelly backup Frank Reich

Brett Farve backup Aaron Rogers

Mike Vick backup Matt Schwabb

Drew Brees backup Phillip Rivers

Now I know these aren't all household names or QB's that were going to the hall of fame but they could ALL manage a game or bring their teams back when they needed too.

Now for the most evident Derrick Anderson Backup BRADY QUINN!

We have all seen the write ups during the offseason about why you need a quality backup i.e the Brady Quinn Saga.

DGB, I happen to agree with you, but lets think about your statement that a team must have 2 talented QBs...

Think of Indy, NE, Seahawks, Atlanta (when Vick was their man, what has Schaub done on his own), GB...what has Rodgers done yet ?, Philly, Giants, Ravens, Minny, the list goes on...they have one good or great QB and what else ?? Do you really think Matt Cassel can carry the Pats (we can only hope to see that), Jim Sorgi the Colts ?? Jared Lorenzen in NY ??

While having a solid backup is crucial, none of those teams have had to rely on their backups to get them thru the season... That can and has changed (for GB) and we'll see about their 'quality' of backup...but the fact is that to succeed you have to have a QB that is special and lasts thru the season reasonably healthy...Your backup has to be able to get you thru a few plays here and there, but do you really think Philly was the same when McNabb was out ?? Even tho Garcia had a nice run, they missed the playoffs..

I'm all for drafting for replacements. That has been sorely missed in this franchise since JJ left. That's why we're in the poor condition we're in right now. Wanny, Saban and Cam all left the pillars of the D to sit on their own, and they have, but where is JTs replacement ?? Zachs ?? We drafted a few guys THIS year and traded for a guy to replace Zach recently.

Now perhaps Tunaland will get on with first replacing the talent that is currently missing and then drafting like there is a next season so that we don't have to rely on FAs to fill our needs like in the past...

Back on topic, they've invested a lot of time on Beck this offseason. He has a head start on Henne or McCown and whether or not he comes thru will be whether or not drafting Henne instead of filling another hole was necessary. The only thing I can say is that taking him when we did rather than with earlier picks showed that they have some confidence in Beck. The chances of him still being there at #57 were rather unlikely, but it worked out for us...

"Larryfinfan wrote:

DGB, I happen to agree with you, but lets think about your statement that a team must have 2 talented QBs...

Think of Indy, NE, Seahawks, Atlanta (when Vick was their man, what has Schaub done on his own), GB...what has Rodgers done yet ?, Philly, Giants, Ravens, Minny, the list goes on...they have one good or great QB and what else ?? Do you really think Matt Cassel can carry the Pats (we can only hope to see that), Jim Sorgi the Colts ?? Jared Lorenzen in NY ??

While having a solid backup is crucial, none of those teams have had to rely on their backups to get them thru the season... That can and has changed (for GB) and we'll see about their 'quality' of backup...but the fact is that to succeed you have to have a QB that is special and lasts thru the season reasonably healthy...Your backup has to be able to get you thru a few plays here and there, but do you really think Philly was the same when McNabb was out ?? Even tho Garcia had a nice run, they missed the playoffs..

I'm all for drafting for replacements. That has been sorely missed in this franchise since JJ left. That's why we're in the poor condition we're in right now. Wanny, Saban and Cam all left the pillars of the D to sit on their own, and they have, but where is JTs replacement ?? Zachs ?? We drafted a few guys THIS year and traded for a guy to replace Zach recently.

Now perhaps Tunaland will get on with first replacing the talent that is currently missing and then drafting like there is a next season so that we don't have to rely on FAs to fill our needs like in the past...

Back on topic, they've invested a lot of time on Beck this offseason. He has a head start on Henne or McCown and whether or not he comes thru will be whether or not drafting Henne instead of filling another hole was necessary. The only thing I can say is that taking him when we did rather than with earlier picks showed that they have some confidence in Beck. The chances of him still being there at #57 were rather unlikely, but it worked out for us...

I wish those that believe drafting Henne at 57 was an indictment on John Beck would think it through.

For the reason you listed above, if the FO had serious doubts about JB, they should have, and would have jumped on a QB much earlier than the 57th pick.

I like JB, because of his work ethic and dedication. I also liked the glimpses of hope he gave us in his accuracy. His bumbles and fumbles from snap from center were an anomaly, he had no such problems at BYU.

I like the Miami Dolphins much more than any one player on the team, so, whomever the best QB for this team is, I'm hoping they will show their skills early on and put the QB problem to rest.

Sorry, but I disagree. Parcells wouldn't have drafted a QB in the 2nd round if he planned on staying with Beck. Beck will not start this year unless he plain blows away McCown in training camp.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Parcells wouldn't have drafted a QB in the 2nd round if he planned on staying with Beck. Beck will not start this year unless he plain blows away McCown in training camp.

Why wouldn't Parcells draft a QB when we only have two QB's that could start if we needed them to? We needed a QB. Chad Henne was a great addition at a great value. It has nothing to do with Beck, it's the fact that we had a chance to draft a very good player and we drafted him. I think some fans are really trying to read to much into the Chad Henne pick.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Parcells wouldn't have drafted a QB in the 2nd round if he planned on staying with Beck. Beck will not start this year unless he plain blows away McCown in training camp.

Henne and McCown have the inside track. Parcells may be a genius and all, but he's known to have an ego the size of Texas. He brought in Henne and McCown, not Beck. If Henne and McCown blow chunks in the preseason and Beck looks great, Beck could end up starting the season at QB. Absent that, he's auditioning for his next job somewhere else.

"feelthepain wrote:

Why wouldn't Parcells draft a QB when we only have two QB's that could start if we needed them to?

If he were looking for a third stringer, he would have waited till later in the draft. Henne is intended to be his eventual starter.

"Vampire wrote:

I agree 100%. Henne starting is interesting but him starting doesn't seem to be in the best interests of this franchise unless he plays lights out from the first day of the first mini-camp. Funny how Josh is totally lost in all this. Well, his history speaks for itself.

Which part of his history are you refering to? I admit I don't know a ton about him, but from what I saw, three teams let him go or traded him that all needed QBs. Ariz, Det, Oakland. Arizona had him pre-Leinart, Detroit had him pre-Stanton, and Oakland had him pre-Russell. And in Oakland, he couldn't keep the job from Daunte Culpepper.

There's always a chance he pulls a Rich Gannon, but I tend to doubt it.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Parcells wouldn't have drafted a QB in the 2nd round if he planned on staying with Beck. Beck will not start this year unless he plain blows away McCown in training camp.

No apology needed Rick. The beauty of message boarding is, it's just a place to express our opinion. In the grand scheme of things, every opinion expressed counts absolutely zero toward what the F.O. will actually do.

So, Sorry, but I disagree. :shifty:

"Rick 1966 wrote:

If he were looking for a third stringer, he would have waited till later in the draft. Henne is intended to be his eventual starter.

I think you're missing the point and value of having competition at every position.

"feelthepain wrote:

I think you're missing the point and value of having competition at every position.

No, I don't think I am. I think you are missing the significance of drafting a QB in the first two rounds, particularly when you have a QB on the roster that you drafted in the first two rounds LAST YEAR. I think anyone who doesn't grasp the significance of that is letting their emotional attachment to John Beck overpower their reason.

"feelthepain wrote:

I think you're missing the point and value of having competition at every position.

I'm double checking, but I'm pretty sure we're the only team that took a day 1 QB this year that took a day 1 QB last year.

****EDIT****

Yep, we are.