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Why are the Dolphins so paranoid?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cobrajet, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Dolphins tell fans: Don’t post practice videos on YouTube?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ll-fans-dont-post-practice-videos-on-youtube/

    "The request came after parts of Dolphins practices were seen on YouTube, and the Dolphins were concerned that opposing teams would watch the videos and get an edge heading into the regular season." "Although there’s no evidence that opposing coaches and scouts are scouring YouTube for tips, the Dolphins don’t want to take any chances."


    Why in G-d's name are they so paranoid all of a sudden? Don’t we have bigger fish to fry? We don't know what RB will play where, which QB will do what, what the new offensive coordinator will do, what the new offense looks like, or if our old WR coach (our new QB coach) can be effective or not and the coaching staff is worried about you tube? I could understand if we were in the season, but we haven't even made cuts yet! We have a long way to go before we really get secret with anything. Of all the things to be concerned over this is a long way off from a problem. It’s official – they have all lost their minds.
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Because they are a NFL football team
     
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  3. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    Before the Seahawks game, it was made known that Carroll had put on a twitter contest in which fans submitted their ideas for the first play of preseason; one fan won, and that fan's play was run.

    Can you ever see Sparano even having the wit to do something like that, much less actually go through with it?

    No, coach meathead will continue building more walls between the team and fans. He's a small man with a small mind, in a big job.
     
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  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Are you serious? You really have to ask why?
     
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  5. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    It was a preseason game. A game that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I'd love to see Carroll do that in a regular season game, but he wouldn't.
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Carroll was the only coach who did that? Does that mean every other coach is a small man with a small mind, or just Tony?
     
  7. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Harbaugh did it with the Ravens during a regular game. I believe the call was successful, too.
     
  8. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    I could really care less whether Sparano does jack crap to appease the fans wrt media or calling a play.
    I give a crap whether he makes the right decisions during a game that contributes to winning. Anything else is a waste of time
     
  9. JimToss

    JimToss Thank You Chad Pennington

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    IMO the reason they are so paranoid about posting the practice videos isn't about seeing the plays/formations. I think it has to do with trying to slip players onto the practice squad and not giving teams extra film.
     
  10. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You sure it was Harbaugh?
     
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  11. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Reload

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    I can see why. More of a thinking ahead for a preventive measure. Stop it before it gets to the point where it is a issue.
     
  12. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    I would think after the what happened with New England no teams would want anything video taped,it 's not so much what will be revealed in preseason but the fact that their plays are recorded might cause a little paranoia.
     
  13. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I think that it was a fairly lengthy clip that got posted.

    I think it's one thing to put up a clip of a great play in a practice, it's another altogether to put up several series worth of stuff that other teams can potentially use against us.

    And I think looking to Pete Carroll of all coaches for inspiration is just silly.
     
  14. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    These are public practices!! In fact most NFL teams sell tickets and encourage fans to travel long distances to come to their practices, I have yet to see one NFL team blind fold their fans at a public practice. Anything sensitive they are going to do behind closed doors anyway (like the introduction of the wildcat). This has got to be the dumbest public statement I have ever seen an NFL team make. It almost sounds like they are priming the excuse pump in case the season is a bust. Stuff like this makes me think of Ricky Williams parting comments of how ridiculously micro managing Sporano is. Since when can't you film a public event?! This statement made by the team is so stupid I almost feel sorry for them.
     
  15. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    All of the sudden?

    This has been policy for years. And it's common sense IMO.

    These kids put 30 minutes worth of uninterrupted video up on YouTube. They even said up front that they knew they weren't supposed to be doing it.

    Why make it any easier for opposing teams to have a look at you?

    I doubt the coaches put any time into this. I'm pretty sure it was something to the effect of, "What? Yeah, get that taken down."
     
  16. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I don't see what the big deal is about asking for a little common sense out of the fans.

    The team opens practice for what, 3 straight weeks? Are they not to work on anything beyond vanilla in that time?

    It's a simple rule posted right up for everyone to see at camp. Don't video. And if you do, don't post 30 minutes of it on Youtube.
     
  17. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Probably cause we're playing the Pats week 1.. (cough) spygate... Belichick doesn't need an extra look at out newly installed offense.
     
  18. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    What does this have to do with asking fans not to video camp (much less post it on Youtube and link to it on various websites)?
     
  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Okay, let me break this down for you Barney style...

    If another NFL team has someone film the Dolphins practices, it's a rules violations. If a fan posts it on the internet, it become public domain and no one is culpable.

    Now, do you REALLY want to give any team, particularly the Patriots a free shot at what we're doing in practice? Where we're strong, where we're weak and exploiting that on game day?

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think that's true. I remember that a couple of years ago the Redskins tried selling tickets to their practices, but were then told that they could not legally ban other team's scouts as long as they (or somebody) paid for the ticket. So teams went back to free practices so that they could ban scouts.
     
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  21. CaribPhin

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    A boy from the Make a Wish Foundation I believe, or just one with a terminal illness, asked to call a play for Baltimore.
     
  22. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I know that when the Bills Practiced in Fredonia NY, my friends that lived in that town were paying to attend practices and also paying for concessions. Maybe, as you said they changed the rules. I do see where 'The Dark Knight' is coming from though, and it may have more to do with the proprietary rights of the NFL, and less to do with spying because of an unlawful reproduction and distribution. Regardless of what scouts see in practice drills in pre-season you still have to play the game, and watching players doing jumping jacks is not a game changer. In Barney terms - I have never seen or heard of any other NFL team making such a foolish statement to the media. I think our team should worry more about their problems with the offense and less about the five year old with his mommy's camcorder. As I said before, I am embarrassed for them. If they are that dumb that they are exposing sensitive things in a public practice then they deserve to lose every game.
     
  23. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    WEEI was absolutely tooling on them for this yesterday....
     
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  24. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Yup, here's part of the thread.

    http://leeinks.weei.com/sports/2011/08/11/dolphins-ask-fans-not-to-post-videos-of-practice-online

    I like the response by the one fan "how about they just close the training camp off to the public.. this is just stupid". Like I just said; if they are are so stupid that they are showing the general public anything sensitive in a public practice than they deserve to lose every game.

    What part of P-U-B-L-I-C don't they understand? So let me get this straight in my mind. They host a public practice to put on a show for the public, but they don't want things to be public?

    :lol:?

    Sounds like the season is off to quite a cluster _uck.
     
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  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Movies are public and you are not supposed to video tape movies and put them on the internet.

    I do not understand how you do not understand why the Dolphins wouldn't want their practices recorded and put on youtube.
     
  26. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Wow original poster. Remember that thing the Patriots got in trouble for? Well this is like doing the work for them.
     
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  27. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Then why put out anything sensitive to the public in the first place? HIDE IT! Sounds like they are trying to blame the fans for just being fans when they made the mistake of showing something that they shouldn't have shown in the first place. As soon as you show it to the public its part of the public domain. So don't show it! It's pretty simple really. If they show you the playbook - is it your fault for seeing it?? Why haven't any of the other teams made similar public statements? Because it makes no sense. Any way you slice this it's the teams fault.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Not if it is on private property. Just because you invite the public doesn't make it public domain. Look at movies. They are in public and you are not allowed to video tape.

    Why haven't you seen other teams make the statement? What other team has had a fan post a 30 minute video of practice.

    It makes plenty of sense. I have no idea how you think it doesn't make sense.
     
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  29. Stringer Bell

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    Because no other teams have tape of their practices on the internet?

    Are you suggesting they don't practice anything until the practices are closed?
     
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  30. Muck

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    You're making an assumption that they ran anything secretive to begin with. We really don't know either way.

    Our point is that it's the principle of the matter.

    Remember back in the late '90s when the Dolphins used to let the beat writers watch regular season practices. There was a mutual understanding that they wouldn't abuse their access.....until one of them wrote about a fake field goal they were working on for that week's game. Jimmy was rightfully livid and booted all of them. Now days they let them see an early portion (usually about 10 minutes) and that's it.

    There's black and white, and there's common sense.

    Common sense says you root for the Dolphins and you don't abuse the opportunity to watch camp, disrespect their rules and potentially aid the opponent.

    Again, this has been the policy going back to at least the Wannstedt era. And it isn't the first time the Dolphins have asked video to be removed. It happened at the old site before Youtube existed.

    Summarize the scenario: the team posts a sign for the last decade asking fans not to video camp. Fans admittedly break the rules, video camp, post 30 minutes worth on YouTube. And the Dolphins are wrong for trying to get the videos taken down?
     
  31. NaboCane

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    No, the real point is: what the **** do the Dolphins run on Offense that is so damn innovative that it shouldn't be disseminated?

    Clue: Indonesians have been using vanilla for centuries...sure can't be that.
     
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  32. Bpk

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    I have to agree with String here.

    We fans can be pretty ungrateful. Let's look at it from the team's angle.

    They do not want other teams to see what happens in practice, and especially not have film of it. The smart thing to do is hold closed practices. But they want to consider their fans, so they let their fans in to see them and only ask that their fans not hurt the team they root for by making it easy for opponents to get video of their practices. The team is already making a concession to benefit the fans, not themselves, by opening practices to the fans.

    Now, if fans Boo, and fans post videos despite rules that they may not do so, the fans will eventually stop being invited to practices.

    Yes, that's bad for realtions, but if the team has a better chance of winning, that's what will matter more.
     
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  33. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    The answer is: we really don't know yet. We haven't seen the new offense.

    Hell, why not just Fedex our playbooks then? Perhaps have our coaches share a booth with the opponent?

    :D
     
  34. Bpk

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    One more thought... a lot of what sucks about this team is the WAY it handles things. The Phins have a right to expect fans not to undermine the team, but the way it is handled looks insensitive, and a-hole-ish.

    Like the difference between a nice bouncer asking you to do something, and the dick with zero interpersonal skills grabbing you and shoving you out the door roughly while he talks to you like you're a jailbird instead of a valued customer who made a mistake.

    Just because a fan does something the organization doesn;t like, does NOT mean they can treat the fan like a football player who is in trouble. THEY work for US, and even when we are wrong, they had better inform us with some humility, courtesy and class.
     
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  35. Bpk

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    FedEx is so impersonal. Perfect for this regime.

    Most teams with a human touch will hand-deliver their playbooks to opponents with some flowers.
     
  36. dolfan32323

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    This friggen cracked me up!
     
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  37. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I don't know. I think the whole media statement is pretty stupid. As soon as you tell someone not to do it they want to do it all the more. They should have just increased security there and shut up about it. I agree with cobrajet though. He is not saying that he thinks the you tube think is right, all he is saying is that when you make anything public it goes public, what did the team expect in this day and age of cheaters? CJ is saying that they should have been better prepared for this, and he is right. They should have had tighter security in the first place. It's the teams fault.
     
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  38. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Most teams have bubbles or club houses where they work on their play book before they go out in the public eye. All the fans really see is reps and drills, that's it. A lot goes on behind closed door and rightfully so.
     
  39. Onehondo

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    As a fan of the Dolphins I am against any action that could give an advantage to an opponent. This is especially true for this pre-season because they don't have a full training camp to work every thing in. We have a new OC so there is very little time for the new offense to be learned by the offensive players and they don't have the luxury of a lot of closed practices to do it. We have a new offense and several new offensive players and it would be a bad idea to give teams a chance to study the new plays and what the new players can do, especially a free preview on You Tube. It sounds more like common sense than a small mind.
     
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    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    That is exactly what I am saying - thank you. I never saw what was on youtube but given the past spygate and tripgate fiasco's they should have seen this coming and had better security. I never said what they did was right, I think it's appalling. I just can't imagine how an NFL team could get caught with it's pants down like that. Public - aint public anymore. How many lessons must we learn in football before we finally get it? I hope they are better prepared for the games.
     

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