Who would be acceptable, if we didn't pick a QB at #5?

It just depends on how the whole draft shakes out.

So if Flores and company have a plan for bringing in talent at the QB position then we have to respect them for that.

If Tua is there at 5 we are taking him... I do not think anyone questions that. If he is gone before we pick..

Okudah/Simmons/ Brown

Any of these guys are game changers and worth building around. So if we miss out on Tua... One of these players will instantly improve the football team and make everyone else on the field a little more effective.

Here is a mock scenario.... where tua goes second overall...(Trade)

5. Simmons
18. Kinlaw
26. McKinney

This makes the Dolphins defense elite. We might have to get lucky for Kinlaw to be there at 18... McKinney is a standout at safety... Kinlaw is a run stuffing monster inside that will command double teams... (freeing up other players) Simmons is a once in a generation linebacker in terms of talent... The size to play on the defensive line if needed... Can outrun most wide receivers in the NFL.... Played some safety in college He is explosive... Gets to the QB.... There is nothing he cannot do on a football field. ( I mean the guy can probably kick 60 yard field goals. )

Second round.

CushenBerry
Prince Wanegho

This gives us the top center and an extremely talented tackle to build the offensive line.

Third round.

Jalen Hurts
Devin Duvarney

We need to bring in QB talent to develop... This is a no brainer. Trade up into the back of the third round to grab a wide receiver... We have so many late picks...Trade two sevenths and a 5th to move up. Duvarney can be groomed to replace Gator and Wilson for the future.

Fourth round

AJ Dillon

Another no Brainer... We need a RB... Dillon is a 250 monster that runs very well for his size.

Fifth Round.

Anthony Gordon
Dane Jackson

Jackson has big long term potential... Late switch from offense to defense in College... Flashed major ball skills as a corner... Needs work... Needs polish... Needs good coaching. Flores turned Needham and Rowe into productive players... Jackson would be a special teams player initially and get the chance to work his way into the starting line up... 6 ft tall good speed. Gordon is another QB who has a big arm and a natural pocket passer.... Someone to compete with Hurts and Rosen for the future.

I know a lot of people would hate this draft... A lot of people will hate any draft where the Dolphins do not land Tua...

As long as there is a plan for the QB position I trust Flores and his coaches. So if it is Hurts and or Gordon... I am on board.

I just wanted to show that with a solid draft and the work they have done in free agency they could make the Dolphins the team to beat in the AFC starting this year.... Winning 10 games minimum and making the playoffs with Fitzmagic. ( while other Qb's develop. )

Unlike most of you, I don't want to take a QB at #5. My first choice is to trade down, ideally with one of the teams that has two first rounders.

If we were to stay at 5 and not take a QB, then assuming that Chase Young isn't a possibility, I like Isiah Simmons or Tristan Wirfs.

I think Simmons is one of the top players in the draft, so if he's there and we're not going Herbert or Tua, I think he's clearly the pick.

If Odukah is there instead of Simmons, then things get difficult...is Howard going to be on our roster for the 2020 season? If so, it might be a time to trade down and let someone grab him/Tua/Herbert.

Derrick Brown would be worth looking at for LB, as would Wills or Wirfs at OT. Again though, you could probably have these names at 7-10 since a run on QB's would be coming...makes more sense to try to trade back.

Who else? Lamb or Juedy at WR? It's tempting but I don't think we go that route since it's not a clear need. I think with #5 you have to take a QB, Simmons, Odukah or trade back...those are the only 4 options that make sense.

Note- I just did a three round mock on the Draft Machine that didn't have a QB taken in the top 20 (besides us, of course) and it had Tua going to the Pats at 23. Not at all realistic but here's what I got-

• 5 Joe Burrow, QB LSU

• 18 Grant Delpit, S LSU

• 26 Andrew Thomas, OT Georgia

• 39 Jonathan Taylor, RB Wisconsin

• 56 Julian Okwara, EDGE Notre Dame

• 70 Matt Hennessy, IOL Temple

Assuming we get our QB with our next or last pick in the first round?

Tristan Wirfs. It's not a sexy pick, I know, but it fills a need.

I think there is no way we don't take a QB with either the fifth pick or trading up.

Simmons, Okudah, Wirfs assuming Young doesn’t fall to us

Chase Young if he drops, otherwise whichever LT is your fav. Some may say Simmons, but we have greater needs at more valuable/important slots. Young and LT are really the only options.

Imagine a secondary of Jones, Howard, Okudah, McCain and a rookie safety, with Rowe as a specialty player for the dime and other coverages. From the bottom of the league to the top really quickly.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Imagine a secondary of Jones, Howard, Okudah, McCain and a rookie safety, with Rowe as a specialty player for the dime and other coverages. From the bottom of the league to the top really quickly.

Two of the top NFL contracts and a top 5 pick all at CB? No thanks, gotta be more efficient, especially since it's Flores' bread and butter. Find players.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Two of the top NFL contracts and a top 5 pick all at CB? No thanks, gotta be more efficient, especially since it's Flores' bread and butter. Find players.

Its going to take a long time before I trust anyone on the Fins to just "find players".

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Its going to take a long time before I trust anyone on the Fins to just "find players".

We've actually been amazing at finding players who overachieve from random rounds and places.

It's been the important decisions and early picks we have screwed up.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Its going to take a long time before I trust anyone on the Fins to just "find players".

It doesn't matter if we have trust, it's just a thing we have to do. If we don't, then it means we look to the next GM/Coach. Sucks, but that's the reality of a salary cap.

"texanphinatic wrote:

It doesn't matter if we have trust, it's just a thing we have to do. If we don't, then it means we look to the next GM/Coach. Sucks, but that's the reality of a salary cap.

I'll always keep looking for the team to hire an established coach and GM. Then, I'll have a lot more confidence. Otherwise, we'll see how I feel about the current batch in four or five years if they're still around.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

I am just curious if anyone would be ok with taking another player at #5 rather than a QB. My first thought would be to take Simmons because he is an athletic freak and he is versatile. However, if we did take him, I am not sure about how we should use him. Do you think we should continue to use him as a jack-of-all-trades type or play him in one position like safety? Is there another player you would prefer? One of the LT, CB, or DT perhaps? If we were to go with a guy who was strictly an LB, I would prefer Queen, but that might be a stretch at #5 and I am not sure he would be there at #18. Thoughts?

Jedrick Willis, Andrew Thomas, Simmons or trade down.

Hebert
I want a QB at 5
after that Thomas or Whirf at OT
and swift or Dobbins

As obvious as it sounds then it would depend on how it all plays out. If Tua goes at 2 then I'd be tempted to still move to 3 and get Chase Young.

That being said if nobody is willing to move up or down then it depends on who is there. Look at what we need and then work out how big the drop off is for the players likely to be there at 18. We need OT. How big is the drop off between the players who are there at 5 and 18? What about LB? QB? Whichever position of need has the biggest drop-off, grab that.

EDIT:

Just ran 2 separate mock drafts. In the first, the top 5 went Burrow/Tua/Okudah/Wills
and the second went
Burrow/Young/Tua/Simmons

Despite there only being 4 teams in front of us, a lot of things are out of our hands.

Chase Young could definitely change my mind, but I just don't see us NOT taking a QB with that 5th pick. It's all but a lock that either Herbert or Tua will be the guy in my opinion. If somehow we decided not to go QB with the fifth pick because....Oh...Chase Young is there....Then I would fully expect us to turn our attention towards a different QB available with one of our later picks (Love, Hurts).
To answer the question...Yes...it's totally acceptable if it's because Chase Young was still available, but I don't think he will be, and I do think we will take Tua or Herbert on draft day.

I look at the 49ers being effective with any QB with that defense. Defense wins championships. I may be in the minority but I don’t want a qb. Remember when the patriots were building their dynasty they always had at least 2 first round picks. They would always trade down and grab high picks for the next draft and were effective with the picks they did make. Usually defense and online... would not be surprised if we only picked twice in first round and both were defense. Would love to have another 3 first rounders in hand for 2021 to do what we want with. Never know when that LT or Urhlacher or Marino presents themselves. They are not in this draft at least not Marino....

"Wilkimania wrote:

Just ran 2 separate mock drafts. In the first, the top 5 went Burrow/Tua/Okudah/Wills
and the second went
Burrow/Young/Tua/Simmons

In that case #5 Young trade up to #6 and grab Herbert! Now that could be a first round to remember.

"FphinFantastic wrote:

I look at the 49ers being effective with any QB with that defense. Defense wins championships. I may be in the minority but I don’t want a qb. Remember when the patriots were building their dynasty they always had at least 2 first round picks. They would always trade down and grab high picks for the next draft and were effective with the picks they did make. Usually defense and online... would not be surprised if we only picked twice in first round and both were defense. Would love to have another 3 first rounders in hand for 2021 to do what we want with. Never know when that LT or Urhlacher or Marino presents themselves. They are not in this draft at least not Marino....

That defense got ripped by Mahomes. It's a lot harder to maintain a defense over a decade's time than an elite QB if/when you get one. SF already showing the strain, shipping Buckner off to the Colts. It will be interesting to see if they have actual staying power, or are going the route of the Bears.

"texanphinatic wrote:

That defense got ripped by Mahomes. It's a lot harder to maintain a defense over a decade's time than an elite QB if/when you get one. SF already showing the strain, shipping Buckner off to the Colts. It will be interesting to see if they have actual staying power, or are going the route of the Bears.

I think that people are forgetting that SF was leading 20-10 with less than seven minutes left in the game. They choked and didn't finish, but their plan (both long term and that game) was sound. They should have won the game and the title.

"texanphinatic wrote:

That defense got ripped by Mahomes. It's a lot harder to maintain a defense over a decade's time than an elite QB if/when you get one. SF already showing the strain, shipping Buckner off to the Colts. It will be interesting to see if they have actual staying power, or are going the route of the Bears.

I agree with your point at the same time it’s the chicken vs the egg. Rodgers and Brees have only won one super bowl. You’re right that it’s easier to maintain one player who keeps you close but you still need a complete team to win it all.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I think that people are forgetting that SF was leading 20-10 with less than seven minutes left in the game. They choked and didn't finish, but their plan (both long term and that game) was sound. They should have won the game and the title.

They lost the game. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

Ironically, their best shot at actually winning that game would have been a better QB. Either way, we are getting off track I think.

I think if we love Love, it wouldn't be a stunner to pick an OT at 5 and then maneuver to secure Love in the mid-round area. Positionally for me, a top 5 pick is about QB, protecting QB or sacking the QB. Guys like Okudah and Simmons are good players and I like both, but neither hits the mark for me. Simmons positional versatility is intriguing, but you have to be wary. Easy for guys to go from versatile to positionless.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I agree with your point at the same time it’s the chicken vs the egg. Rodgers and Brees have only won one super bowl. You’re right that it’s easier to maintain one player who keeps you close but you still need a complete team to win it all.

Yeah I mean at the end of the day though, only 1 team can win each year. And the F'n Pats have stolen way more than their fair share.

I look at it as which QB can elevate a struggling team and will them into the playoffs. Which QBs can consistently reach and advance in the playoffs? Which guys aren't one hit wonders (I swear to God Im not trying to dig THill here people!) - that's the difference to me. Bad QB play is a team killer, second only to a bad coach imo. A great QB gives you a shot. As a big baseball fan, the mantra is to essentially just reach the postseason because it can be such a crapshoot once you get in, you just give yourself a chance. A QB is the NFL trump card in giving your team a chance. So many other things have to go nearly perfectly for a team lacking good QB play, it's just so hard to maintain.