I think there is no doubt that Henne will start next year. Who thinks that Thigpen is better than Chad Henne and why??? Thigpen looked like a pretty solid back up to me in the Steelers game...but he can't throw a spiral to save his life.
I don't think anyone would think Thigpen is clearly above and beyond Henne. I think we all know Henne will be the QB. However, there may be a few things that Thigpen does better, and that would be moving around in the pocket, and possibly making things happen with his feet if a play breaks down. I think Henne is clearly the better pocket passer of the two, with a stronger, more accurate arm.
I wouldn't discount Thigpen for anything. And as much as I love Henne, he stilll haven't done enough for me to say that he's the undisputed starter next season.
I also think the competition for starter is going to be MUCH tighter than many are expecting. I still think Thigpen was the best QB on the KC roster last year, and we absolutely stole him for a 5th? Regardless, its been a long long time we have had a QB this promising much less two. Whoever is coming off the bench, I like what we have going on with these two.
I really like Thigpen and I was pretty darn happy we traded for him last year, but I think Henne is a better choice for the future. If I remember right Thigpen was a runningback at some point, so he has some athleticism and I think he is a better Wildcat option than White at this point.
Thigpens win percentage as a starting QB should say it all. I believe he only won 1 game out of 10 or so with the chiefs. And that was with Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe and even Larry Johnson for a portion. I understand a QB can't do it alone but he had WAY better options in KC than Henne's had here so far.
I don't know that it's that simple though. The Chiefs played in a lot of very close games that year. Thigpen lost 6 starts by a TD or less. Tyler Thigpen is not the reason the entire coaching staff and front office got canned after the 2008 season. Tony Gonzalez wanted Thigpen to be the long-term guy after the season ended. I'm not saying he's a savior. Just that he might not be as bad as that record says. An unheralded kid from Coastal Carolina enters the season #3 on a terrible team and accounts for 22 touchdowns in 14 games. 5 more than Matt Ryan and only one more INT in basically the same number of attempts. San Diego was pretty good in 2008. Thigpen hit them for 292 yards total offense, 3 passing TD's, 0 INT's. 108.4 QBR. They lose 20-19 at Qualcomm. In his second career start, against NY against the hot Jets with no Larry Johnson, Thigpen goes for 300 yards offense, 2 passing TD's, 0 INT's. They lose 28-24 at the wire. He had some decent weapons, but he was still a young guy and he's got a little something to him. I like him as a relief pitcher for us.
Ok, lets bring this closer to home. Thigpen started against us once in 2008. The chiefs were up 28-24 at halftime. Thigpen was looking good, 2 tds, 0 ints and playing great. Then he threw 0 tds, and 3 ints in the 2nd half. I'll admit, this is the only true game I've seen Thigpen play in. And he failed, miserably. Our team gave him a lot opportunities to win that game and he still couldn't. Fast forward to the steelers game and it's almost a repeat performance. Goes out, gets a score and then throws 2 ints to finish the game. Steelers gave him chances and he didn't get it done. There it is, that's all I've seen of Thigpen. I admit, it isn't much and maybe it's not fair, but I truly believe Henne would have won that Steelers game. And i know im not alone there. (i know it was a pointless game, but still)
thigpens stats were over rated in KC anyways from the offense they ran. henne is a more traditional guy for our O i like that thiggy can make things happen by moving around the pocket, but that doesnt win you superbowls
I Really, REALLY hope this is the case, because AT THE VERY LEAST there is now dept at the position. And 100% agree that KC was way off letting him go for just a 5th rounder.
Thigpen has some talent, needs development, same for Henne. However there is no doubt in my mind Henne is our starting QB for a very long time. Sparano's creed: "competition at EVERY position" will only make Henne AND Thiggy better for it. So we'll have a better #1 (Henne) and better #2 (Thiggy) for the competition. WTF we're going to do with Pat White is a total mystery to me.
At some point don't you have to commit to a guy, and let that scenario play out? You can't keep switching out QB's. If Henne is gonna be the future, he needs to play. Thigpen may battle in camp, bit I would be fairly shocked if opening day Henne wasn't the starter. There's a reason QB controversies are a bad thing...
Thigpen is a better QB for the offense we ran in 2007, and part of 2008, I think that's safe to see. With a running QB, and Ronnie Brown, and some of the innovative things we were doing with the WC, Thigpen could be very dangerous with a little bit of work. That being said however, Henne is our better option at QB. It's proving hard to rely on Ronnie being uninjured the entire time, and basing an offense like that on an RB who we can't be sure will be there all season, is a recipe for disaster. Bottom line, if Thigpen has Brown, and the same amount of practice time Henne did all season, I think he can do better. But Henne is a safer bet, as he (clearly) doesn't NEED Brown to be able to do his thing in order to open up the passing game.
You realize KCs defense had something to do with those losses(or do you?) allowing 440 points is not going to translate to to many wins
Don't know that anyone is saying that Thigpen is any better. However, I'm not convinced that Henne has shown enough to believe that he's clearly better than Thigpen. Maybe the question for you should be, do you believe that Henne is so much better than Thigpen that he shouldn't have to compete for the starting job? If so, why? Comparing each QB's 2nd year shows that they aren't so far apart. http://www.nfl.com/players/chadhenne/profile?id=HEN507580 http://www.nfl.com/players/tylerthigpen/profile?id=THI677677
I think it's Thigpen's decision making that needs work. All year Henne hit Davonne Bess, Greg Camarillo, and Brian Hartline for great plays. I think we all saw Thigpen's mistake when he threw to Ted Ginn and ended up throwing an INT. Had he watch Saint's tape he would know what happens when we throw to Ginn when he's not streaking down the field 50 yards.
one thing for sure having these two is better option than having culpepper and harrington or fiedler and lucas or lemon and beck
Yeah I have a hard time placing too much fault on Thigpen's shoulders. Knowing that there are only so many practice snaps to be had with the starters, you have to wonder how many Thigpen actually got. Obviously White had to get his share.
Thigpen and Henne might be close in measurables, but Henne's won more games in less time. Henne's upside is also much greater, IMHO. But I think Thigpen is a real talent and thrilled to have him as a backup.
I'm sorry my Ted Ginn bashing didn't resonate with you. I'm not blaming Thigpen, I'm denouncing throwing to Ted Ginn on short routes.
You should check out both their first year starting numbers. Henne threw more INTs than TDs. 12tds 14 ints for Henne. 19 tds 15 ints for Thigpen.
