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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Jan 7, 2014.
Ireland gone so what u want now for the dolphins future
Tom Heckert Jr.
I don't have a name...but we need somebody that carries some respect with their name. Somebody experienced in league circles and respected by upper level management people in the NFL. I believe these things to be crucial to getting the ship righted in as quick a fashion as possible.
Well, let's just get a running list of the candidates going, shall we? At least those that wouldn't be coming from left field.
Tom Heckert Jr.
Eric DeCosta (unlikely)
I don't know, unless the guy has made personnel decisions before who has any idea if they're going to be any good? It's pretty well a crapshoot and I think people fool themselves badly with this kind of thing.
I would prefer whomever it was not have the same kind of aversion towards older players as they've had here since '08.
Put Marino in there, roll the dice.
Someone that can draft more than 2 players that will contribute next year.
Someone that understands the impact of a great linebacker and tough OL.
Rolling the dice has resulted in 25+ years of mediocrity.
Brian Gaines will be considered I'm guessing.
“I’ve spent the last six years with the best organization in football,” added Ireland. “Steve and I came to an agreement that the best thing moving forward for all parties would be to part ways. I’d like to thank Steve for all his support and kindness. I’ve had the opportunity to work with some of the most amazing people during this time and I’d like to thank them all from the bottom of my heart. “
Nice. I don't think Ireland is a bad guy. I do think he is a bit dysfunctional in relating to people. And, I think he has outsmarted himself way too many times on personnel decisions - on the OL; with the LBs; etc. I just don't think he's a really shrewd personnel guy, unfortunately.
Said Jeff...as he leaves the building for a meeting with Dez's Mom.
Money is on Brian Gaine.
This is a nice sign, though:
Hopefully they don't just promote Brian Gaine without any though.
Miami has a young team, with a quarterback who is potentially a franchise quarterback, with plenty of cap space. Even the "dead weight" have two year contracts that will not hurt the team much after their second year.
You can either try to take the foundation that is there, fix it and build it up, or you can just blow everything away
In comparison, Ireland did by far the least amount of damage to the Dolphins when compared to Wanny, Spielman and Mueller. Heck, they even have all their draft picks.
The team plateaued and Ireland didn't seem to learn from his mistakes, but he left the team in dramatically better shape than he inherited it, and it's not the dead cat bounce thing people want to portray it as.
Agreed. I am totally fine with the move. I just don't see him nearly as bad as people make him out to be.
In 20 years most people will talk about how Wanny ruined the team and Ireland's time will be mostly forgotten. Especially if the next GM does a great job.
Marc Ross as GM would please me, IF he is cool with Philbin's philosophy and system.
Eric Decosta and let him decide Philbin's fate!
ESPECIALLY if Tannehill becomes elite, Matthews becomes a good WR, Wallace and THill develop chemistry next year, Jordan plays to his potential, Clay has another strong season, Gibson comes back strong, Vernon makes a Pro Bowl and the team competes for first round bye next year.
That is nice to hear, but … really hard to believe. The Dolphins GM job coveted? Really?
Unless they think highly of Aponte and Ross - hard to believe. I think the team is in trouble because of the bad contracts to the LBs and the one year deals with key players who will be free agents next year - they will likely be hurting on the interior DL - and they have huge OL holes.
Maybe they like Philbin? Maybe they think Ross has tons of cash? Maybe they think the stadium is going to improve and that fans will actually attend? Hard to believe; but who knows.
Thing is, Ross' long loyalty to Ireland, and reluctance to fire him make this an even more attractive job.
You could literally perform in a way that could get you fired on many other teams and still get 6 years with Ross as your boss. That's nice and stable. An attractive situation. Seriously.
I think big names will like the idea that the owner is unlikely to fire them at the drop of a hat.
If Matthews develops I would rather save the $1.3 million and let Gibson go.
No idea but I wonder about coaching decisions. I expect Philbin to stay so does he get to make coaching decisions? I still can't believe the O line coach wasn't canned immediately.
As long as it isn't someone already in the Dolphins organization, I will be happy. I think Ross needs to look outside the organization and bring in someone who can look objectively at the talent on this roster and determine who should go and who should stay.
If the next GM wants to keep Philbin for another year, I will be okay with that. As long as Ross doesn't make the retaining of Philbin a requirement of the new GM. I think forcing the next GM to keep Philbin just might prevent some of the top GM prospects from taking the job.
They see a decent talent base. It's actually nice to take over a team that still needs a few pieces so you get some credit for getting them over the hump. We don;t have a terrible roster, but it's not complete either.
Also, Ross is an attractive boss, imo, because he is very slow to fire people. If you take a high paying GM job, move family and kids to Florida you can be pretty sure you won't be moving again within a couple years.
And BANK on the fact that APointe and Philbin have already suggested a list of preferred GMs to Ross. GMs who would be friendly to keeping Philbin.
It is a coveted spot because these guys with that ambition WANT to take a mediocre mess and turn it into a dynasty. It proves what they believe about themselves. I would rather someone have that ambition and take the opportunity, than someone looking to coast on easy street.
Finally someone else who likes DeCosta - I've been touting him for several weeks now (even before the season ended).
Disagree. Unless Gibson struggles with health issues.
I don't think Ireland leaving is going to mean that Tannehill will become an elite QB. I think Tannehill will become a top 15-20 QB in the NFL on a regular basis, but I just don't think he will ever get to that elite level required for teams to actually win a SB in this era of the NFL.
A lot of posters on here would love DeCosta, we had the discussion awhile back. It seems that DeCosta is holding out for the day that Newsome retires.
Darlington hints that Gaine won't be promoted.
Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington 4m
That being said about Gaine, I don't anticipate he’ll become Ireland’s “replacement.” Team searching for outside hire to oversee the org.
TOM GAMBLE OR MARC ROSS PLEASE
Of course not, he is a Dolphin
They aren't nearly the same style of player though, even with Matthews at his full potential Gibson will always be better from the slot due to his skill set.
I'd rather see Matthews develop and take Hartlines job in a few seasons.
Ross seems to be loyal to a fault. I think we can count on it being one of Ross confidants, like Brian Gaines, Tannebaum, Mangini, Aponte, Pioli, Carl Peterson... I'm not too enamored with any of those candidates, I guess Gaines would get my vote of that group, but it's bound to not be an 'outside the box' guy....
OR you know it is possible to have 4 good wrs on a team...
As I hit "post" I was thinking that same thing as one of the real positives. Ross is also hands off so that is a positive. Not a fan of a mid-level talent team drafting in the middle of round 1 if I'm the GM - but I really don't think the rosters on other teams with bad records are that much worse than ours. The Jills, for example, have a pretty rocking D. The team I would hate to GM is the Jags. But, I don't see our talent as that much better than others - except those desperate for a QB.
However, all the GM has to do is agree to hold onto Philbin one year and then he can have carte blanche. And, he should be able to convince Ross that if the team falters next year, he should get an extra year. If Ross gave me a 5 year deal - I'd want to be the GM.
I would rather get a more explosive 4th wide receiver.