What to do with the 1st round pick?

"JJ_79 wrote:

Howell is in Seattle now.

Woah! Just saw that! Rock on brother! Way to be on top of stuff!

"ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:

Woah! Just saw that! Rock on brother! Way to be on top of stuff!

Yeah Commanders gave him away for next to nothing. I wouldn't have minded him being the backup, he's got a good arm but just holds the ball too long. Not sure if that can be coached out of him or not, you would hope it could be.

"Aquapride wrote:

Good question!

Why?

"Fireland wrote:

Don't have to address it in the draft but they don't have a WR3 so its an option

Wide receiver is definitely on the table in the first round. I heard they're interested in bringing back Berrios, but that doesn't excite anyone. And, you can't count on Ezukanma yet. I also think Hunter Renfrow would fit like a glove in this offense if you can get him to a team friendly deal.

I'm hopeful we trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick.

It looks like we're following the Ravens model of picking up DL on cheap contracts. Going forward we will need a young guy to be ready for 2025.

WRs we lack depth and that was exposed when Waddle missed games. Looks to be a deeper draft for this position.

OT/OG. Finding someone who can play for Armstead when he misses time is critical for a full season of success. Luckily it again looks like we will have solid options at this positions in rounds 1 and 2.

If we're able to trade back and pick up 3 players who can fill out these needs Grier will have knocked it out of the park.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Wide receiver is definitely on the table in the first round. I heard they're interested in bringing back Berrios, but that doesn't excite anyone. And, you can't count on Ezukanma yet. I also think Hunter Renfrow would fit like a glove in this offense if you can get him to a team friendly deal.

Renfrow would feast on other teams’ #3 corners. Adding Smith at TE and someone’s gonna be open!

The deeper we get into the offseason and the closer the draft appears on the horizon, I’m still all about the offensive line and still all in on Jackson Powers.

In another thread, I spoke of the physicality that’s been missing on defense since the days of Taylor and Thomas. The same can be said of the offensive line. I can’t remember the last time the Dolphins had an offensive line that dominated in the trenches, pushing the line of scrimmage 5 yards downfield allowing the running back an instant 5 yard gain.

In this day and age of speed and fancy, deceptive scheming, sometimes you have just got to get back to the utter BASICS of hard nosed, smash mouth football, instilling intimidation in the opposing defensive line that you’re going to knock their Richard into the dirt.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you have a powerhouse offensive line, everything else on offense falls into place.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

The deeper we get into the offseason and the closer the draft appears on the horizon, I’m still all about the offensive line and still all in on Jackson Powers.

In another thread, I spoke of the physicality that’s been missing on defense since the days of Taylor and Thomas. The same can be said of the offensive line. I can’t remember the last time the Dolphins had an offensive line that dominated in the trenches, pushing the line of scrimmage 5 yards downfield allowing the running back an instant 5 yard gain.

In this day and age of speed and fancy, deceptive scheming, sometimes you have just got to get back to the utter BASICS of hard nosed, smash mouth football, instilling intimidation in the opposing defensive line that you’re going to knock their Richard into the dirt.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you have a powerhouse offensive line, everything else on offense falls into place.

JPJ, Fuatanu and Barton are all immediate day 1 starters and likely plus players. However, it's also possible we look to take a tackle and stash them at LG for a season. Depends on what the team thinks is the potential upside of guys like Mims who should be around when we pick.

At edge, I think it's worth remembering that though they were injured, the team's primary investment is Chubb and Phillips, so they may not look to take one early. That said, Verse and Latu are intriguing if they fall. More likely is trying to find a stud DT with Byron Murphy or Johnny Newton.

I think we will have plenty of options and interesting decisions. One thing I notice is that the spots we haven't yet filled ... are spots that are considered to be deep in the draft. Not a coincidence. Also altogether possible we trade down to add a 2 or 3.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Franchise tagging a quarterback is VERY risky. A player is is franchise tagged is paid the average of the top 5 paid players in that position for the year. You do realize there are some STUPIDLY high salaries on some of these quarterbacks, don’t you?

By extending Tua NOW, the salary cap hit is greatly reduced as a hefty portion of that first year will likely be a signing bonus, which doesn’t affect the cap…and there are always caveats in those contracts with outs for the team.

I guess the most likely scenario is that were Tua to play 2024 on his 5th-year option the Dolphins would finish in the range of 7 to 9 wins and a year from now he would be a free agent QB ready to sign a 1-year $10 million "prove it" contract similar to what Sam Darnold has done.

"ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:

If we're trading for a Quarterback, Fields would not be my first choice. I'll get killed for saying this, but Sam Howell would be my pick as far as realistic options available.

To acquire Fields Pittsburgh gave up a 5th round draft pick. The Dolphins absolutely should have bettered that offer to secure his services.
For example, Tua could play 2024 on his 5th year option with Fields coming off the bench as a dual threat QB.

"Aquapride wrote:

To acquire Fields Pittsburgh gave up a 5th round draft pick. The Dolphins absolutely should have bettered that offer to secure his services.
For example, Tua could play 2024 on his 5th year option with Fields coming off the bench as a dual threat QB.

Lol… you almost had me here.
Then I realized, no serious person would suggest that the Dolphins give up one of their limited draft picks for a guy no one wanted.

"Aquapride wrote:

I guess the most likely scenario is that were Tua to play 2024 on his 5th-year option the Dolphins would finish in the range of 7 to 9 wins and a year from now he would be a free agent QB ready to sign a 1-year $10 million "prove it" contract similar to what Sam Darnold has done.

Except if they win 11-12 games now you’re paying him even more money. See baker mayfield.

"Aquapride wrote:

I guess the most likely scenario is that were Tua to play 2024 on his 5th-year option the Dolphins would finish in the range of 7 to 9 wins and a year from now he would be a free agent QB ready to sign a 1-year $10 million "prove it" contract similar to what Sam Darnold has done.

And a pick is just a crap shoot. See the article below.

the football-following world becomes more and more excited about the NFL prospects of quarterbacks Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and Bo Mix and Drake Maye and J.J. McCarthy and Michael Penix, Jr., here’s a counter to the notion that the 2024 draft is loaded with can’t-miss prospects.

In 2021, most of the five quarterbacks taken in the top 15 selections have missed.

Last year, the third overall pick — 49ers quarterback Trey Lance — was jettisoned to the Cowboys for a fourth-round pick. Last week, the fifteenth selection, Mac Jones of the Patriots, was dumped to the Jaguars for a sixth-round pick. Now, Justin Fields (who was the eleventh overall pick that year) has been sent to the Steelers for a sixth-round pick, in 2025.

Three of those quarterbacks were picked before Micah Parsons. (D’oh.)

Meanwhile, the Jets might have to give a sixth-round pick to get someone to take quarterback Zach Wilson’s $5.4 million guaranteed compensation package off their hands. (He was the consensus second overall pick that year.)

That’s four of the five, either traded for far less than their draft status or, so far, not even tradable. The only exception, Trevor Lawrence, was dancing on the edge of becoming a franchise quarterback until the Jaguars collapsed down the stretch last year. Now, a fourth season might be needed to decide whether he has lived up to his status as the first overall pick in the draft.

Actually, the entire class has been, well, not good through three years. Others drafted in 2021 were Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond, Davis Mills, Ian Book, and Sam Ehlinger. (The undrafted class contains no Tony Romos or Kurt Warners, either.)

This year, it seems as if several teams are prepared to pin their hopes on a rookie quarterback. And while this year’s class could be a bumper crop, the 2021 harvest has been a disaster for every team that took a quarterback, other than Jacksonville. As the Draft Industrial Complex approaches the annual late April crescendo of proclamations that every pick is a winner, it makes sense to remember that it’s still a crapshoot, and at best a coin flip.

"Finatik wrote:

Except if they win 11-12 games now you’re paying him even more money. See baker mayfield.

The odds of the Dolphins having an 11 or 12 win 2024 season are about 10-1, maybe less than 10%. Remember, for the 2022 and 2023 seasons the team went all-in with a stacked roster and fell well short of playoff wins or a Super Bowl appearance.

"Finatik wrote:

And a pick is just a crap shoot. See the article below.

the football-following world becomes more and more excited about the NFL prospects of quarterbacks Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and Bo Mix and Drake Maye and J.J. McCarthy and Michael Penix, Jr., here’s a counter to the notion that the 2024 draft is loaded with can’t-miss prospects.

In 2021, most of the five quarterbacks taken in the top 15 selections have missed.

Last year, the third overall pick — 49ers quarterback Trey Lance — was jettisoned to the Cowboys for a fourth-round pick. Last week, the fifteenth selection, Mac Jones of the Patriots, was dumped to the Jaguars for a sixth-round pick. Now, Justin Fields (who was the eleventh overall pick that year) has been sent to the Steelers for a sixth-round pick, in 2025.

Three of those quarterbacks were picked before Micah Parsons. (D’oh.)

Meanwhile, the Jets might have to give a sixth-round pick to get someone to take quarterback Zach Wilson’s $5.4 million guaranteed compensation package off their hands. (He was the consensus second overall pick that year.)

That’s four of the five, either traded for far less than their draft status or, so far, not even tradable. The only exception, Trevor Lawrence, was dancing on the edge of becoming a franchise quarterback until the Jaguars collapsed down the stretch last year. Now, a fourth season might be needed to decide whether he has lived up to his status as the first overall pick in the draft.

Actually, the entire class has been, well, not good through three years. Others drafted in 2021 were Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond, Davis Mills, Ian Book, and Sam Ehlinger. (The undrafted class contains no Tony Romos or Kurt Warners, either.)

This year, it seems as if several teams are prepared to pin their hopes on a rookie quarterback. And while this year’s class could be a bumper crop, the 2021 harvest has been a disaster for every team that took a quarterback, other than Jacksonville. As the Draft Industrial Complex approaches the annual late April crescendo of proclamations that every pick is a winner, it makes sense to remember that it’s still a crapshoot, and at best a coin flip.

What's the point of the QB-draft content here? Everybody knows that most QB's drafted into the NFL do not stick, and it is rare that s 1st round draft pick QB has a 5+ year career as a starter.

"Aquapride wrote:

I guess the most likely scenario is that were Tua to play 2024 on his 5th-year option the Dolphins would finish in the range of 7 to 9 wins and a year from now he would be a free agent QB ready to sign a 1-year $10 million "prove it" contract similar to what Sam Darnold has done.

Umm, yeah. What happens when the Dolphins win 11+ games again?

"Aquapride wrote:

To acquire Fields Pittsburgh gave up a 5th round draft pick. The Dolphins absolutely should have bettered that offer to secure his services.
For example, Tua could play 2024 on his 5th year option with Fields coming off the bench as a dual threat QB.

Fields would be an absolute disaster in this offence. Stop looking at his highlight plays (which are all runs btw) and actually watch him trying to play QB. There is a reason no one offered anything substantial for him.

"Aquapride wrote:

The odds of the Dolphins having an 11 or 12 win 2024 season are about 10-1, maybe less than 10%. Remember, for the 2022 and 2023 seasons the team went all-in with a stacked roster and fell well short of playoff wins or a Super Bowl appearance.

Miami won 11 games last year while dealing with a ridiculous amount of injuries and having the worst interior OL in football for the last 5 games or so. They were regularly missing 9 starters going into games at the end of the season yet you think there is less than 10% chance they could do it again?

And for the last time, the team didn't go "all in". They haven't even went "all in" this season either. They were aggressive last season in building the roster but it wasn't all in. This year they are being less aggressive and making sure the window last another 2 or even 3 years.

"Aquapride wrote:

What's the point of the QB-draft content here? Everybody knows that most QB's drafted into the NFL do not stick, and it is rare that s 1st round draft pick QB has a 5+ year career as a starter.

Aren't you the guy who is advocating getting a new QB every time the current guy are due to be paid?

"Springveldt wrote:

Aren't you the guy who is advocating getting a new QB every time the current guy are due to be paid?

This.
It’s like he doesn’t remember what he’s advocating for.

"Springveldt wrote:

Aren't you the guy who is advocating getting a new QB every time the current guy are due to be paid?

No, he advocated trading Tua for 1st round picks and sign dual threat quarterback Jameis Winston.

"Aquapride wrote:

I guess the most likely scenario is that were Tua to play 2024 on his 5th-year option the Dolphins would finish in the range of 7 to 9 wins and a year from now he would be a free agent QB ready to sign a 1-year $10 million "prove it" contract similar to what Sam Darnold has done.

No, the smart move would be to sign Tua to a contract extension, paying him the money he deserves based on his actual performance, and like him or not, Tua HAS produced. There’s no question about the numbers he’s put up, but as his critics have pointed out, we’ve lost games against upper echelon opponents and he lost his first playoff game…albeit in a frozen tundra that’s causing some games to have frostbite amputations but nevertheless…

You sign Tua, extend out his contract, pay him with a good portion in signing bonuses to reduce the cap hit and you can have a performance clause that allows Miami to cut ties with him after 2 years if his critics evaluations come to fruition.

The comparison of Tua to Darnold is a silly one in my opinion. Darnold not only didn’t win, he was never a highlight reel of on file’s performance.

Former Miami Dolphins first round pick signs with Commanders
https://www.thephinsider.com/2024/3/17/24103848/former-miami-dolphins-first-round-pick-signs-with-washington-commanders

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

No, he advocated trading Tua for 1st round picks and sign dual threat quarterback Jameis Winston.

But use the picks to pick a QB.

"Sceeto wrote:

Former Miami Dolphins first round pick signs with Commanders
https://www.thephinsider.com/2024/3/17/24103848/former-miami-dolphins-first-round-pick-signs-with-washington-commanders

That was a huge miss.

"Springveldt wrote:

Aren't you the guy who is advocating getting a new QB every time the current guy are due to be paid?

For his 4-years in a Dolphins uniform Tua has received $30 million, so he's already been paid.

"Finatik wrote:

This.
It’s like he doesn’t remember what he’s advocating for.

I am advocating for the Dolphins to assemble a roster and coaching staff capable of actually winning playoff games and, or a Super Bowl victory.