What makes so many of you sure Dumbo won't push Queasy's make or break year to 2016?

There aren't any guarantees with Ross other than that he will find a way to be an embarrassing ****-up

"CashInFist wrote:

I don't think Hickey had much of a choice. Mike Tannenbaum was coming in to run the show, and Hickey could either be on board and ride the wave or be fired. That's just, imo.

I was talking about Ireland....but now that you mention it, I guess I completely overlooked the fact that Hickey might have been forced to accept the same demotion that Ireland rejected...that is of course if Tannenbaum is truly the one running the personnel dept now, which I would assume to be the case, despite reports that power still lies with Hickey.

Who knows who really has final say, who can overrule who, the front office has been a cluster**** for the longest, seems like there's always some confusion as to who's making the decisions, who answers to who, who has job security and who doesn't, etc....

He got the coach he always wanted coaching at Michigan, next year he'll work on the Dolphins coaching staff.

"LBsFinest wrote:

I was talking about Ireland....but now that you mention it, I guess I completely overlooked the fact that Hickey might have been forced to accept the same demotion that Ireland rejected...that is of course if Tannenbaum is truly the one running the personnel dept now, which I would assume to be the case, despite reports that power still lies with Hickey.

Who knows who really has final say, who can overrule who, the front office has been a cluster**** for the longest, seems like there's always some confusion as to who's making the decisions, who answers to who, who has job security and who doesn't, etc....

Well, now that I disagree with. This is Tannenbaum's team in terms of the decisions that are currently being made... unless, of course, Ross is overruling him... which won't be the first time an NFL owner has done that and certainly won't be the last. Not sure bringing in Suh was an owner overruling moment... but he obviously told the FO to get it done, no matter what. As he did with Mike Wallace... as he did with Brandon Albert.

"LBsFinest wrote:

We all thought 2014 was the year Philbin had to **** or get off the pot, but we were wrong, Ross kept him, referencing the last year on his deal... a 9-7 season (which in this division might be good for 3rd place) with no playoffs, but yet an improvement on the last couple years, I mean that might be enough for Ross to do the exact same thing again this year.

I know Tannenbaum runs the show now but Philbin still appears to be the owners call, Mike T will almost certainly call for Philbin's head in that scenario, but he probably wanted him gone this offseason after yet another non-winning season and Ross still wasn't swayed, convincing him to move on after an actual winning season might prove just as difficult.

As to Queasy's status after this year, it's likely (given Dumbo's history) that if we break even again he'll find an excuse to not can the guy...that's his MO and we have to learn to live with that....

As to the second paragraph, I have to agree with a few others here that this FO is different now that TBaum is running the show... It's pretty apparently clear that things are different now...that said, because we've suffered thru 15 yrs of FO unrest, it's hard to get that stench out of our minds...

Bottom Line: We'll, once again, have to wait and see....

"LBsFinest wrote:

I was talking about Ireland....but now that you mention it, I guess I completely overlooked the fact that Hickey might have been forced to accept the same demotion that Ireland rejected...that is of course if Tannenbaum is truly the one running the personnel dept now, which I would assume to be the case, despite reports that power still lies with Hickey.

Who knows who really has final say, who can overrule who, the front office has been a cluster**** for the longest, seems like there's always some confusion as to who's making the decisions, who answers to who, who has job security and who doesn't, etc....

I like the symbiotic relationship between hickey and tannebaum, we know who's making the personnel decisions, and to understand the dynamic in place, and i think it works well don't you?

"LBsFinest wrote:

Well of course you haven't, no general manager with an ounce of pride would accept that...which is why it was so silly for Ross to present that option in the first place. He is far too loyal to the undeserving.

so don't you think he knew that and knew that if he presented the scenario as such he would ultimately get the result that was desired?

"Paul 13 wrote:

Well, now that I disagree with. This is Tannenbaum's team in terms of the decisions that are currently being made... unless, of course, Ross is overruling him... which won't be the first time an NFL owner has done that and certainly won't be the last. Not sure bringing in Suh was an owner overruling moment... but he obviously told the FO to get it done, no matter what. As he did with Mike Wallace... as he did with Brandon Albert.

he's not making final decisions on personnel imo, but think as you wish.

"Disgustipate wrote:

There aren't any guarantees with Ross other than that he will find a way to be an embarrassing ****-up

Like all the money he is putting into renovating the stadium and making it much more fan-friendly?

Yeah, what a ****-up.

He also hired Mike Tannenbaum, who seems to be doing a great job.

****-up!

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Like all the money he is putting into renovating the stadium and making it much more fan-friendly?

Yeah, what a ****-up.

Let's wait until this particular egg is hatched?

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

He also hired Mike Tannenbaum, who seems to be doing a great job.

****-up!

He hired a guy who was fired by a bad team and has some warts, and jammed him awkwardly into another bizarre power structure.

I liked this off-season, but hiring Mike Tannenbaum and the way it was done was pure Stephen Ross.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Let's wait until this particular egg is hatched?

So it doesn't count because the project isn't finished yet? Do you think they're going to change their minds half-way through?

I'm not saying Ross has been the greatest owner ever, but it's not fair to act like he hasn't done good things either.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

So it doesn't count because the project isn't finished yet? Do you think they're going to change their minds half-way through?

I'm not saying Ross has been the greatest owner ever, but it's not fair to act like he hasn't done good things either.

No, it doesn't count because no one has had a chance to actually experience the thing that you're claiming was a good and valuable thing.

Ross and Philbin are both learning on the job. Ross has been the owner for a while now and I don't think he will repeat past mistakes. If the team doesn't make the playoffs, firing Philbin will be on Tannenbaum's hands and Ross will probably cede more control if he hasn't already. I believe that's what he has learned as an owner, or will learn once this season is over. Give the decision making to people who dedicate their lives to this stuff, sign the checks and smile. He still needs to learn what to say and not to say, but that is less detrimental to the team than front office decision making. I'm still out on Philbin, because he is a first time head coach I believe he went through some growing pains just like Ross, and maybe Ross can relate to that. As long as past mistakes aren't repeated but learned from, I will support our coach.

"jdallen1222 wrote:

Ross and Philbin are both learning on the job. Ross has been the owner for a while now and I don't think he will repeat past mistakes. If the team doesn't make the playoffs, firing Philbin will be on Tannenbaum's hands and Ross will probably cede more control if he hasn't already. I believe that's what he has learned as an owner, or will learn once this season is over. Give the decision making to people who dedicate their lives to this stuff, sign the checks and smile. He still needs to learn what to say and not to say, but that is less detrimental to the team than front office decision making. I'm still out on Philbin, because he is a first time head coach I believe he went through some growing pains just like Ross, and maybe Ross can relate to that. As long as past mistakes aren't repeated but learned from, I will support our coach.

That's not allowed. Coaches and owners must be finished projects. So to must players.

"jdang307 wrote:

I can't remember if the info was Fight Club or not, but LB isn't wrong.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's out in the open.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article1959041.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/football/miami-dolphins-jeff-ireland-is-out-as-general-mana/ncfhk/

LB was right, everyone who claimed he was wrong, is wrong (Not you DJ).

What was he right about, unless this is sarcasm, I have a hard time determining around these parts. Ross wasn't happy with the status quo, and offered a demotion or the obvious alternative, take a hike. It was Ross' decision to to remove him from final personnel decisions. Of course I am assuming here, but I doubt Ireland was offered the decision to take a smaller role or retain his previous one. Who else made the decision but Ross?

Didn't read the thread because the thread title and OP told me all I needed to know.

However, I'll play.

The answer. Nothing. Nothing is life is certain but death.

"brandon27 wrote:

Didn't read the thread because the thread title and OP told me all I needed to know.

However, I'll play.

The answer. Nothing. Nothing is life is certain but death.

And taxes.

"Pauly wrote:

It's just ridiculous that the man who owns the teams thinks that he has some sort of control over his team. Doesn't he know he should be listening to angry random voices on the internet.

I'm not defending LB, but many of those random voices on the internet were calling for the ouster of Jeff Ireland 2 years before the lightbulb went off in Ross's head.....I'm just sayin'

"Dolphinzdawgg wrote:

I'm not defending LB, but many of those random voices on the internet were calling for the ouster of Jeff Ireland 2 years before the lightbulb went off in Ross's head.....I'm just sayin'

That means nothing.

We are talking about a scenario where one of two things can be true: GM X will either great or should be fired. That means someone has a 50/50 shot of being right under those conditions.

Many fans wanted Belichick fired in Cleveland at one time.

"Fin D wrote:

That means nothing.

We are talking about a scenario where one of two things can be true: GM X will either great or should be fired. That means someone has a 50/50 shot of being right under those conditions.

Many fans wanted Belichick fired in Cleveland at one time.

A broken clock is right twice a day. There were others who praised him and still do.

"djphinfan wrote:

he's not making final decisions on personnel imo, but think as you wish.

I thought it came out that T-baum over-ruled Hickey in the 2nd round this year, and it was made clear that was HIS choice and not Hickey's

"Disgustipate wrote:

Let's wait until this particular egg is hatched?

He hired a guy who was fired by a bad team and has some warts, and jammed him awkwardly into another bizarre power structure.

I liked this off-season, but hiring Mike Tannenbaum and the way it was done was pure Stephen Ross.

I seem to remember Gholston was a Tannenbaum pick, as was Sanchez.....

"Dolphinzdawgg wrote:

I seem to remember Gholston was a Tannenbaum pick, as was Sanchez.....

D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, and Muhammad Wilkerson were also Tannenbaum picks.

Rex is a good coach, but it was Tannenbaum's built teams that went to back-to-back AFC title games.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, and Muhammad Wilkerson were also Tannenbaum picks.

Rex is a good coach, but it was Tannenbaum's built teams that went to back-to-back AFC title games.

Was Tannenbaum there before Rex? I know they went on a free agent spree after Rex came on board, but did he assemble that roster before Rex came in?