What is your impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM ?

..... and when it actually doesn't?

 

Lol. Im ok with Ireland and the job he's done so far. U are not. Hes clearly going to be the GM going forward. So who is it that doesn't like the truth?

 

My impression is that last years draft wasn't very good (IMO, it was because he no longer had a blueprint to follow). This years' draft was stellar.

If he does well this coming year, we'll be in the playoffs. If not we won't and he should be replaced.

 

I started out positive. Then started to lean towards nuetral this offseason when he traded away Marshall then VD without replacing Marshall. I now lean more towards the negative because it's been 4 straight losing seasons and no matter how it's sliced, he is a big part of it.

He's had some hit and misses but I knew Ross would keep him. This will be the tell all offseason for him. Lots of money to spend, and lots of draft picks. If he does not get any PLAYMAKERS this team will be mediocre once again and I'll be all over the totally negative side ready to argue

 

If Ireland had big enough ones he would simply declare that this time next year we will be preparing for a playoff game ( hopefully at home ) and if we aren't he will tender his resignation .

Of course this is being said somewhat flippantly but will anyone consider a 5th straight non playoff year anything less than the final time Jeff Ireland will be an NFL GM? IMO he should have been dismissed last year , but seeing that he will yet again be in charge , I cheer / hope / pray for the best , no more "futures" no more trading elite players for possibilities , no more selecting players that will redshirt a year , all in , right now. Come on Jeff tell us you will fire yourself if we aren't a playoff team 12 months from today.

 

Or you could look at won-loss record.

Or the lack of playmakers.

Or both the OL and DL getting embarrassed by the Pats after Ireland concentrated on them for 5 years.

What you can't do is explain away everything, but I'm sure you will try....

Or you could just apply Occam's razor and conclude that he is not very good.

 

If that's what you want from a HC you should be a Jets fan.

 

You're right. There are several comparisons you could explore that are better than the one you originally nominated. Get to work on one of them.

 

So what have you seen from Daniel Thomas which makes it a good move to have traded up for him?

 

I sure as hell don't want Ireland as my head coach , and I have been a die hard fan of Miami's since way before you were born. If you are happy with mediocrity and no playoffs maybe you think Ireland has done an exemplary job. I don't .

No more excuses , or are you preparing some outs already , in advance?

 

Listen, nobody (other than Fineas) has done, or is going to do, the large-scale analysis of Jeff Ireland's performance in comparison to that of other GMs that would allow us to establish some degree of certainty about his performance. On top of that, nobody here even knows how much of the construction of the team he, versus Bill Parcells, has been responsible for. We might as well just put this to rest.

 

I'm not happy about no playoffs, but I'm not silly enough to act like whining about it and "challenging the GM" on the internet will change things.

 

Where is it stated or implied that commenting will change things? This is a forum to express ideas , opinions and to criticize when needed and cheer when deserved.

I have been involved with both sports teams and businesses where leaders have declared if our ROE isn't x by next year , or our stock is not at y in 18 months or we don't make the playoffs this year , I will resign. I don't think suggesting Ireland be accountable enough to do this after 5 years is silly. Keeping a losing GM is though imo , if we don't make the playoffs next year you are on board to extend him then?

 

Nope.

 

Parcells had nothing to do with Daniel Thomas. Still have heard nothing from you showing this was a good use of resources.

It has been over 40 years since we had such a bad stretch, that is a lot of GMs to compare him too and no more "large-scale analysis" is needed really, worst in 43 years speaks for itself.

 

So you are on record then , if we don't make the playoffs , you want Ireland fired . Excellent , accountability , too late but accountable none the less , with no hidden clauses.

 

No, not too late.

 

That comment will only be right if we win a Super Bowl under his tenure , I sincerely hope you are correct.

I highly doubt you are though.

 

Pffftt haha and just for fun who's the GM that was available and would of won us a SB?

 

Is the goal to win the Super Bowl? Or be content to make an effort? If Ireland isn't going to win a championship then he's the wrong GM and we need to move ahead as soon as we know that. IMO I know he isn't the guy , you think he is , as do others , I sincerely hope that you all are correct and he/we win .

 

It is but it takes a lot more than a great GM to do it.

Yet you can't tell us who is the guy. Gotcha.

 

You can tell us Ireland will ? Or has? Or had a winning record? There are a lot of posters here that can give you a list of younger candidates to fill a GM spot , I know I would rather have Eric DeCosta , Marc Ross ,Bill Polian or Michael Lombadi than Ireland .

But hey , we know we are in the playoffs next year, just like we were guaranteed to finish at least at .500 this year ...

 

So you would of been content w Polian last year? That's interesting.

 

Has he had teams he has been associated with win?

 

Has Bill Parcells?

 

Won one championship as a GM ? No.

 

My impression is that he is the best personnel guy we've had here since jimmy johnson. I still think Saban would have been a good evaluator at this level though. I am known as one of the GM's biggest "supporters"....... but i still picked neutral. I'm always neutral. I just have an issue with all the mis-directed hostility aimed at Ireland. His biggest critics biggest arguments are all debatable based one how much power Ireland had at that time, and ofcourse the fact that they think coaching and player development has no place in the process. They'll agree that Sparano, Henning weren't good coaches, but blame Ireland for the 7-9 seasons. They blame him for trading away Marshall and Davis, 2 of his prize possessions..... and ignore the fact that the players were issues in the locker room and new coaching wasnt having it.

I'm on the fence, always am...... until we're a dynasty again. But I'm glad its Ireland with the teams future in his hands, and not these delusional fans. There's also quite a few other GM's still working that I'm glad Ireland is not.

 

So as an unabashed proponent , you are on board to extend him next year if we don't make the playoffs? For the 5th year in a row?

 

Next year hasn't even happened yet..... you guys are just trying so hard. Extend him? I don't know the specifics of his contract. Is it up next year ?

Anyway..... Do you know who Carl Peterson is ? All this specualation that Ireland being canned was a possibility was all hilarious nonsense.... these people arent paying attention to what is actually going on at the top.

As one of his biggest critics..... who do you have in mind as someone who is willing and better fit to run the team?

Better yet, who is Carl Peterson going to pick over his own guy, if he didnt do it last year when he had every chance ?

 

In your words, "been associated with."

My point is you're evaluating people off whether or not they've had success IN THE PAST. Which is exactly got us in trouble by hiring BP in the first place.

 

Not at all , hated the Parcell's hire and he never won as a personnel guy .

GM's that have won several times at the professional level deserve consideration . Future championship winning GM's are working at a position below the GM level , some of these are very successful and also deserve consideration . If you have an unsuccessful GM and have had for years , who to replace him with isn't the problem , imo. That is deflecting the attention away from the reason.

I do hope he wins , just think it is important to know how long he has to make the playoffs , specifically.

 

the plebes always have a whipping boy & Jeff is it. this off-season will prove his merit & embarrass his detractors

 

He's completely revamping an offense, it takes longer than one year.

No, I'm not giving the he was here for 5 years like BP never existed bull**** any merit.

 

I'm beginning to think a lot of ppl just don't don't care anymore. 4yrs with no winning record. 1st time since the 1st 4yrs. I won't get stuck in this rut. I want Ireland out. Like yesterday. Boring team, losing team every year, empty seats every year, average to poor players, poor drafts regarding no superstars drafted. Seems to me going by the huge number of posts there is more excitement about what picture goes on our helmet. Ireland can go now. I'm done with 'let's see how he does in preseason'. Every yr its the same. He's had his chance. He's rebuilding...blah blah blah. No he isn't. He's constantly producing stagnancy and mediocrity. He brings in a QB and fans want to give Ireland another yr. I say get rid of him now because it took him long enough to grab RT. Ireland will blow it in this draft. I've got zero confidence in him.

 

the whole back and forth argument is pretty stupid considering it looks like he's staying.

 

I think with our cap situation he has had his hands tied a little. I think the most difficult thing for myself about my thoughts on Jeff are he is just so up and down. He finds talent when you least expect it like Bess and Wake. He brings in some big name FA's like Dansby and Marshall. But he also has times like this offseason where we brought in Naanee and nobody else. I loved the trade of Vonte for a 2nd after taking a minute to get some prespective of it. Was the Marshall trade to Chi. the best....meh, who knows. I think Philibin didn't want a guy like that on the team to be honest. I think Mashall knew that it was coming as well, it wasn't out of nowhere. I met Brandon in Indy during the superbowl week and got his auto. Told him I can't wait to see him in the new offense, and he just kinda laughed, like he knew he wasn't going to be there. Anyway off topic.

I just think he hits when you expect him to miss, and whiff's when a good hit was possible. I'm willing to see what he does this offseason with re-signing players, signing FA's, and the draft with good picks. Its either all of bust this year for me.

 

While I would loved to have Marshall's skills on our team this year, Philbin's overly introverted style would have clashed majorly with an established diva like Marshall, so I had zero problem with trading away BM. Like CK mentioned earlier, Ireland should have invested more energy into a replacement. However, if we invest heavily this offseason, then the 1 year gap isn't a big deal in the long term. we weren't going to the superbowl with Marshall.

Jennings and Keller would make many of us happy. It would also allow Ireland to spend our draft picks in an area that he is better - the defensive side - DE and CB.

 

Pretty much my thoughts as well.

 

So, the last four years without a winning season are specifically Irish's fault ?? Quitcells, change in ownership, coaching, player development, injuries...all those things don't count as someone besides Ireland's responsibilities ??

I get the criticism for some of his picks and FA acquisitions that have not panned out. What we still can only speculate on is how much blame goes to Irish because of these other influences that prohibit success in a team.... The anti-Irish seem to pile it all on him and the pro guys want to divert at least part of the blame to other circumstances out of his control... RT may be the guy for us, but we don't know that for sure yet... As to the one person who it matters the most to, Ross, he's decided that as of last offseason Irish's tenure starts anew...the sooner people start to understand and acknowledge this, the better....

 

If I'm doing my math correctly, there are only six people that have a "positive impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM" thus far (with just over 100 votes cast). And, yet there's a great deal of support for him, presumably from many of the "neutral" voters. I find the lack of positive votes to be very telling. I also find all the support for Ireland, particularly with such a small amount of positive votes, very intriguing.