What is your impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM ?

He said most people are neutral. Clearly not true.

 

Alright but that isn't -my- point. Mine is that most aren't negative. I'm not saying what he said is exactly true, I'm saying that it's possible the majority don't have a negative view.

 

Fire Jeff if he lets Bush leave... because he may do that.
But keep him if Lamar is good.
But fire him if Long leaves.
Or if we overpay him.
But keep Jeff if Martin moves to left tackle and we use the money for other great players.
Fire Jeff if we have to draft another LT when we need those picks for a WR.
But keep him if Hartline has a 1000 yard season.
Still, really though, fire him if Marshall and Clemons get torched regularly.
Unless Sean Smith and Rashard Jones have lots of INTs, then you should definitely keep Jeff.
Obviously Jeff must go if Tannehill flops this year!
Which looks unlikely... So extend Jeff.

 

Multiple Personality Disorder much?

 

My impression of Ireland got worse after that win yesterday, and will be worse if this team manages 8-8.

 

Oh, excuse me. Or positive. I see how this is an important distinction.

I don't know that this is really surprising. The interesting part would be if it correlated with any type of consistent internal logic.

 

Interesting

 

Not that I completely disagree with the last part, but can you name a city with good sports radio?

 

What's with the accounting that combines neutral and positive as if it's all positive? More people are neutral or positive on Jeff Ireland than negative? Really? That's a thing? Because from another only slightly different vantage, 87% of people are either negative or neutral on Jeff Ireland.

 

it requires critical thinking, and allowing for the possibility that Ireland sucks, which you are incapable of doing.

 

An 8-8 record will prove all of us asking for improvement in our areas of weakness (which were ignored or weakened).......right. A lot of the Pro-Ireland arguments ("They are rebuilding, picks are worth more than players now") arguments go out the window.

 

No, it's pretty clear what you are doing is moving the goalposts so you can claim you're right regardless of the outcome. Which is really a bit panicky and premature to be backing off of your points after one game.

You don't need to justify moving Davis and Marshall with rebuilding. At all.

 

not moving the goalposts. Just pointing out Jeff Ireland's negligence that will be amplified if this team is halfway competent.

and yes, you better justify those moves if you don;t attempt to replace them.

 

You do understand that there's a difference between getting any pieces and the right pieces?

We've seen a lot of new coaches come in and get quick success but not sustained success. IMO, its because of the irrational win now, grab any player mentality.

Philbin and Ireland are smarter than you, give them time.

 

and Ireland did neither in both areas. (WR, DB)

 

The right players weren't there to grab.

 

Philbin yes (by his qualifications), but Ireland? There is zero evidence that he is smarter than anyone on this board.

 

Not sure. I think now more than ever, every win makes Jeff Ireland safer and every loss makes his seat warmer. The only thing that changes that is the quality of the wins and quality of the losses, and by that I mean some wins and losses convince you that the coaching is being done right but that the talent just isn't there, whereas some wins and losses convince you of the exact opposite.

Winning yesterday was evidence that the coaching staff can handle the locker room and not end up in some Cam Cameron state of wasteland. Winning as big as they did yesterday either happened due to the 1pm heat (possible) or is a suggestion that there's more talent than people think.

 

Sure ok.

Tell you what, watch this season differently. Watch this season not for wins or losses. For Ireland failures or successes. Watch the season to watch the evolution of a culture and team.

Watch how we've already gone from a team supposedly at odds with the new coach to dumping Gatorade on him. From going to consistently home losers back to winning our opener. Watch how we went from being ok with players who broke laws and rules and slacked off to getting picks for those guys. Watch the start of a new QB era. Notice how we had a adversarial relationship with the media to a more welcome and mutually respectful one.

Changes are happening Sect. Finally. Enjoy the ride and quit punishing these guys for sins of people that aren't here anymore.

 

Clearly there are people here whose minds are made up and are impervious to any further discussion on the issue.

And that's not something negative in its own right (it's okay to have one's mind made up about something), but what it does say is that further discussion is a waste of time.

 

Again, who cares? The Kiper/McShay/Mayock info is out there. One absolutely can put together a good, even great, draft from that information. I don't care if the draft board is independently generated or not as long as it results in good picks. And let's not pretend that most teams operate exclusively from independently generated information. All but a handful of teams use National or BLESTO for much of their scouting and the handful of teams that do it all in-house haven't necessarily been more successful.

Fine, let's call it Kiper using the franchises information. If it is the other franchises information than that is a pretty legitimate source that a team would be silly to ignore or dismiss. Again, if one drafted from any of these draft pundits's top players list for the last 5 or 10 one's drafts would have looked just like most NFL teams' drafts. They would be better than some and worse than others.

 

There's no possible way you can justify this team performing better being an example of Ireland being worse. Not only that, that's pretty contorted by someone whose views are so consistently simplistic.

 

That information is not magically out there. That information is the result of lots of qualified professionals doing their job that 99% of the public is unqualified and unable to do. That 99% can do a decent job under some circumstances, yes, but not without being spotted work they absolutely positively cannot do.

I'm not sure why you are bringing up BLESTO/National, those are still actual professional scouts. The Dolphins aren't buying BLESTO magazine where some plucky citizen is putting together information, it's a scouting alliance. They have to commit a scout that they are paying to do that work.

They can gain information from it, certainly. But again, Mel Kiper isn't a scout, or a GM, he's not qualified to do that work. His job is basically compiling the information he gets into a list. It's a pretty reasonably accurate list, but it doesn't actually do the inherent important part of the draft- Picking good players.

 

Or the Raiders are just that bad?

 

Next game will tell us alot.

 

Well definitely the Raiders are bad, but this team has a history of not necessarily "putting away" even bad teams. So the fact that they could keep their foot on the gas is a good sign.

 

Am I the only one that thought the Raiders looked we did the past 2-3 years? Played strong for awhile, and then faded in the end. Looked like a worse team in the second half than first half. Had some stats that could give you some hope but ultimately were nothing. Couldn't convert long third downs. Undisciplined. etc.

 

The Raiders absolutely phoned in that 4th quarter. It's not often you see a team mail in a series like they did on the one that was capped off by Lamar Miller's TD run. I can't think of anymore sports cliches to describe their effort there but you get the idea.

 

Of course I can. If your team falls just short of playoff contention, then it stands to reason that neglecting the team's weaknesses was not a good thing.

Of course, that is a "simple" way of looking at it..LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

You seem to want nuanced and three/four level thinking on these things. That is your mistake. Each season in the NFL is it's own entity, especially in the unbalanced nature of the schedule.

 

Well, that could be a mistake. Remember that I am of the opinion that this team is very talented in a couple of areas, and improvement in our areas of weaknesses coupled with a weak schedule, could = playoffs.

If I am the owner, and my team finishes 7-9, 8-8, I am gonna remember that my GM did very little if nothing to fix the team's weaknesses and in some cases, compounded them by subtracting entirely. Then I am gonna blame him for not making the moves that could have made the team 9-7. 10-6 and playoff bound instead of 7-9, 8-8 purgatory.

 

I am not. I am still punishing one guy in particular that was here for all of those "sins". Ross missed a spot when he decided to clean up this mess.

 

Speaking for yourself?

 

I'm going to need strong evidence, to get me to believe frustration from as far back from Wanny is not carrying over into the haters' anger. You guys treat past regime hate like rollover minutes.

 

I don't recall which teams, but there have been times on draft day in the recent past, that on the war room cams you can see a copy or two of Mel Kiper's book laying on the table in close proximity to where the GM or coach is sitting. Not saying they go by it, but apparently they cross reference it or why else would it be there?

 

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The last regime still has one wart firmly on our face.

 

Ireland now responsible for 3 of the team's top-5 FA signings of all time IMO.

 

Yeah, in a game where the stars were Bush, Tanny, Hartline, Miller, Fasano, Bess, Pouncey, Dansby & Jones your point is weak.

Honest question, what could happen from here that you wouldn't hate Ireland? I don't think there is anything, because your hate is so strong for someone who did nothing to you personally it can only be irrational.

 

You talk of scouting players as if it's rocket science. There is no way of knowing exactly which pct of people outside the NFL could do the job if given the chance. There are only so many scouting positions available among the 32 teams. No matter how capable untold others may be at doing the job, there aren't enough jobs available. Especially if someone doesn't have connections in the league. I doubt if there is any other profession other than weathermen, where someone can be wrong such a high pct of the time, possibly get fired for not doing their job well enough, and still get hired again by another organization in the same or similar capacity.

 

Whom do you believe are the top 5 FA signings?

 

With all due respect, most people are this way because it's human nature.