What do you think our plan is at QB?

a lot of to early to tell stuff..

I dont think were out of the race for Tua..

2 more starters down today on the most depleted roster the league has ever seen.

The bottom of the league is so bad I could see the Dolphins finishing outside the top 5. And I'm okay with the team building an offensive and defensive line waiting to find that QB this year or next.

I don't see the Dolphins beating the Jets in Medowland with their new coach after Gase gets fired. Then they have no one who can cover AJ Green and he should be back for the Bengals.

Honestly, how would someone not in the organization have any clue what their plan actually is?

I would imagine the plan has a ton of contingencies built in to it.

They may have one, or two guys, they really want, but it may all depend on what happens on the night.

It would seem common sense to me that they have goals/plans but are aware that they cannot guarantee anything and need to prepare for all eventualities. Grier and co have been spotted watching college games all season. They're doing their homework. I don't see how we can predict that though. Especially not this year. We're very much spectators of this rebuild. I've given up hoping for any sort of specific result in terms of personnel and am taking the approach of just watching what the new leadership team do and how they build.

Obviously I hope they build it well, but I'm trying to not have expectations for any specific player. As has been said, many QB's get picked with low expectations and go on to do well. Whoever Miami select, I understand it will be part of the wider plan, and I'm excited to see how that all comes together. Just picking one guy, no matter how good, won't be the end of this. We're talking 2-3 years for it to come together - and not even the GMs etc can predict how that will fall. There will always be too many unknowns.

Time and chance happen to everyone and everything.

I do suspect that the plan is to draft a QB and have him spend a year behind someone - be that Fitz again, or Rosen. And I think I'd like to see that happen, I think it's the right approach to allow a new QB to develop properly.

But we'll see!

I don't think this was ever a "Tua or bust" scenario where he was the only name that mattered in the rebuild. As I've said many times now, I'm more worried about protecting our next quarterback and creating an environment that can lead to long-term success.

If I had to guess today though, then I'd be leaning towards Lawrence in 2021 as our next quarterback. I still believe we'll be trading back with some of those top picks to stockpile even more heading into 2021...if the BPA doesn't fit a need, then we'll slide back and pick up more ammo for this depleted roster.

"KeyFin wrote:

I don't think this was ever a "Tua or bust" scenario where he was the only name that mattered in the rebuild. As I've said many times now, I'm more worried about protecting our next quarterback and creating an environment that can lead to long-term success.

If I had to guess today though, then I'd be leaning towards Lawrence in 2021 as our next quarterback. I still believe we'll be trading back with some of those top picks to stockpile even more heading into 2021...if the BPA doesn't fit a need, then we'll slide back and pick up more ammo for this depleted roster.

You guess the FO are going for Lawrence or Lawrence is who you'd be pursuing?

"resnor wrote:

Honestly, how would someone not in the organization have any clue what their plan actually is?

Think of it as a sister thread to the thread about what we SHOULD do at QB.

I'm not asking for a specific player necessarily you think they will take, but an educated guess on what they may do to address the position if we arent picking in the top two or three picks.

Lamar Jackson was the last player taken in the first round and is looking so far like the best QB taken in that draft. I think the brain trust is less obsessed with the #1 overall than some posters here and more focused on identifying the real talent in the first round and having multiple picks and the flexibility to grab him and some supporting cast.

I think we have to let the plan come to us. There are a few posters on here that I agree with. Galant said that there are a lot of contingencies built in and striking brought up the possibility that we finish outside the top five picks. I think both make very solid points.

I think that the first thing that would should do is inquire about the #1 pick early in the process. What would it take to get there? If the offer is reasonable, we take it. I personally would not be willing to mortgage the farm for Tua.

If it doe not appear that trading up is a realistic option, I think we revisit Teddy Bridgewater. With a lot of draft capital, he may change his tune about coming to Miami. Again this is contingent on salary. I wouldn't break the bank, but I would feel comfortable with giving him a contract that has incentives that could break the bank.

My 4-D chess move would be to trade back (likely the Pittsburgh pick) and acquire another 1st round pick in 2021. That would be the year that I would mortgage the farm and offer a blockbuster for Trevor Laurence.

Finally, I would even consider "stay the course." Don't reach for a QB. Draft a ton of solid players. Just as a general reflection, I did not think Rosen looked horrendous at all. He "won the starting job for the remainder of the season" and after one bad outing, lost the job. Fitzmagic has looked good, and Rosen will have more time to get familiar with the system and learn from the coaching staff. Let them battle it out again in camp. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Fitzmagic started one more year.

"Hooligan wrote:

Lamar Jackson was the last player taken in the first round and is looking so far like the best QB taken in that draft. I think the brain trust is less obsessed with the #1 overall than some posters here and more focused on identifying the real talent in the first round and having multiple picks and the flexibility to grab him and some supporting cast.

Good Grief! Thank You!

They collective consensus on who is the top QB or two in the draft since Andrew Luck has been out of step with the reality of whom the best QB has actually been. Sure I like Tua and he looks the part but is he really going to be a star at the next level? I don't know and the thing is no one does. It's always a crap shoot so I'm thinking there is an awful lot of angst about who identifying who the best QB is. Recent history has pretty much shown that the consensus has been dead wrong.

I think everyone's obsession with the #1 pick better get over it. The front office may have gutted the roster in preparation of the future but These players and These coaches are out there trying to win every week and with our remaining schedule and the improvement every week it is highly likely they will win a couple more games and we will NOT have the #1 overall pick.

Better prepare yourselves. The guys on the field are out there to win and they don't care if any fans or anyone in the press thinks they should loose.

"KeyFin wrote:

If I had to guess today though, then I'd be leaning towards Lawrence in 2021 as our next quarterback. I still believe we'll be trading back with some of those top picks to stockpile even more heading into 2021...if the BPA doesn't fit a need, then we'll slide back and pick up more ammo for this depleted roster.

Good and fair points. My only comment is that as bad as this roster has been gutted....any BPA would fit a position of need lol. We're pretty terrible at the moment on paper, well also in reality but i like the fight this team has considering the talent gap from every opponent.

With the Tua injury and Borrow balling out, its possible we could still get Tua if we fall to 5. Teams with a QB might jump us for Chase Young. I think they will have a plan that involves the right QB falling, know the prices for trading up to get the guys they want, and also just take the best franchise block available and see where the Lawrence dust settles next year. We traded for Rosen, if we can build a solid foundation we can really see what he has while we build the trenches...and if he really is hot garbage than he brings us one step closer to Lawrence if we dont go QB this year.

I think one thing has been shown again as well. Don't rush to start your shiny new QB as soon as he is drafted. Stick them on the bench for a year so they can learn from the coaching staff and a veteran ( Fitzpatrick is just fine ). Bring them in for mop up duty late in games for some experience but don't put the pressure of making him the savior of the franchise while he is still wet behind the ears. Develop who ever it is.

Lawrence hasn't exactly impressed this year. It's a darn good thing he is a sophomore because he needs some more time.

"Galant wrote:

You guess the FO are going for Lawrence or Lawrence is who you'd be pursuing?

It's so hard to speculate...some have reported that Lawrence was always the main target of this team while others have said they're 100% locked on Tua. I don't have any inside connections this season so I can't add anything to that other than saying Burrow looks like the consensus for the 1st QB off the board.

With Tua being injured two seasons in a row, I think that's a red flag whether it's actually deserved or not. His replacement hasn't missed a beat either and that sends it's own message- how can Tua be a "must-have" QB when the backup plays at his level in that system? Like others I'm thinking Tua may slide a little in the top 10 and possibly be available for us to take even at #5 or 6. If I had to guess, I'm thinking we pass on him...but I could be 100% wrong. It's all how they feel in that front office about him.

So if we can't draft Burrow and there's some questions about Tua, I don't see who else they'd be looking at seriously at QB with our top pick. Jalen Hurts will go later in the first or maybe even in the 2nd round, so that's a possibility for a later pick. Fromm or Herbert is a possibility too, but they could likely be had with Pitt's pick.

What does that all mean? Our 1st overall pick will be Chase Young, Tua or a trade-back. If the front office is in love with Tua, he's our guy. If they're not, then we're either grabbing Young if he's available or we're trading for an extra 1st rounder.

Or we could focus on other needs and stockpile for Lawrence in 2021, putting the other pieces in place to be a truly dominant offense. I personally feel that will be their route UNLESS they're just absolutely in love with Tua. Here's the thing though- even if Lawrence is the goal in 2021, that doesn't mean we won't grab Hurts anyway or someone late 1st/early in the 2nd round...that's the beauty of having all these picks and it's a good year to find a QB.

One final thought- Burrow and Tua match-up this weekend and they'll likely meet again in the BCS Championship. I think those two contests will have a HUGE impact on the draft order...we really want to see Alabama (Tua), LSU (Burrow) and Clemson (Lawrence) in those playoffs just from a Fins draft perspective.

"Hooligan wrote:

Lamar Jackson was the last player taken in the first round and is looking so far like the best QB taken in that draft. I think the brain trust is less obsessed with the #1 overall than some posters here and more focused on identifying the real talent in the first round and having multiple picks and the flexibility to grab him and some supporting cast.

Once front offices realize that fast and quick black players can actually throw the football the loophole will close. Watson, Jackson, Mahomes are doing a lot to show how foolish some of these front offices with their backwards thinking really are (looking at you Ryan Pace who should have been fired already). Can't rely on finding that exception, though Hurts may have a shot at being the next guy in that mold to be undervalued. I still want to see him against some real defenses first though.

"Tin Indian wrote:

Lawrence hasn't exactly impressed this year. It's a darn good thing he is a sophomore because he needs some more time.

The playoffs will really be what matters for him. The amount of talent both he and Clemson have ... classic boredom more than actual regression.

As for Lawrence in general, you just can't plan on a specific thing like that two years out. Can't. He is not the real target. That would be impossibly stupid. It would require two years of absolute futility to even have the remotest chance. If you want to say that QB isn't a focus for 2020, that's potentially fair - we can get some foundational bits in place before going QB, especially if the front office really isn't enamored of anyone. But to get Lawrence you likely will need the #1, because whoever is #1 next year likely will need a QB and they won't trade.

Remembering how the gurus in here picked Brady Quinn but the Dolphins front office got a different memo.
We all see how that worked out.

Lamar Jackson looks great but dont get it twisted, both Mahomes and Deshaun look far better.. they can both move and they pass the ball better than Lamar. 40% of his touchdown passes this season came from Week 1. We are headed to week 10.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Lamar Jackson looks great but dont get it twisted, both Mahomes and Deshaun look far better.. they can both move and they pass the ball better than Lamar. 40% of his touchdown passes this season came from Week 1. We are headed to week 10.

Watson and Mahomes also have an extra year on him. Jackson did just torch the vaunted Pats on national TV though. Either way, all 3 are good QBs.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Watson and Mahomes also have an extra year on him. Jackson did just torch the vaunted Pats on national TV though. Either way, all 3 are good QBs.

I bet the Bears are kicking themselves

"texanphinatic wrote:

Watson and Mahomes also have an extra year on him. Jackson did just torch the vaunted Pats on national TV though. Either way, all 3 are good QBs.

Torched? He threw for like 160 yards

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Torched? He threw for like 160 yards

And ran for 2 scores.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Watson and Mahomes also have an extra year on him. Jackson did just torch the vaunted Pats on national TV though. Either way, all 3 are good QBs.

Extra year or not, Lamar isnt going to be that kind of passer. He is throwing javelins on a football field. He doesnt have the touch or arm talent that both Mahomes and Deshaun have shown since college.

and he didnt torch the patriots secondary... lol