What do we need? (ROSTER ANALYSIS)

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  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He can handle it but we don't want him to in fact we don't want him to focus on anything but one single thing.
    That's what Campbell said. We just want him to be a game manager.

    You can read between the lines or Continue to bury your head in the sand.
     
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  2. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You disregard that Campbell praises him in the media but agree with the decision not to grant him the ability. Who is picking and choosing? We're basing our position on the evidence when the game is played. Your hanging onto coach fluff. Go right ahead.
     
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  3. jdang307

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    No it's not. Passing 50 times is at the coaching level. He's talking about a 3 yard dump off to Landry vs a 40 yard bomb to someone double covered.
     
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  4. resnor

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    Ok. Now we're getting somewhere. I agree it's unlikely that Lazor didn't evaluate Tannehill. However, again, you've given two choices, but there could be more. In fact, given Lazor's statements, it seems highly plausible, even probable, that he didn't allow Tannehill to use traditional audibles because he thought his offense didn't need them.

    Now, the argument should be, did Lazor design the offense with Tannehill in mind, with predetermined "audibles" because he didn't believe Tannehill could handle a "normal" offense?

    I don't know the answer to the second question, nor do I have any evidence either way.
     
  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    He obviously didn't agree with the decision to take away audibles, as he's reimplemented that ability.
     
  6. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    What are you guys' thoughts on whether Tannehill could or should have took it upon himself to audible?
     
  7. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I think everybody agrees at this point that it's time to go for broke. No point in masking Tannehill if it is a weakness of his. We need to know what we have.


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  8. KeyFin

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    Umm, Campbell has not praised Tannehill in the media. Not once. He has stated that he's good enough to be a game manager but he's not the type of QB that's going to win football games on his own. Coming from the team's head coach in a press conference, that's about as much of an insult as you'll ever hear.

    Here's something else you guys have to realize about Tannehill though- he looks great in practice; he always has. But in practice, they don't just throw screens and outlet passes. And our coaches see Tannehill practice 4-5x more each week that they see what he does in games. In practice, they'll say, "Let's run that play again...only this time hit Landry on the deep crossing route or Jennings on the slant." And boom, he makes the throw. But in a game-time situation, that same play is a 1 yard dump off to Miller. So their opinion is a little skewed; we judge purely on game film where they do not.

    The same can be said for players like Turner or McCain...coaches put them on the field based off what they do in practice, not what they did the prior week in the actual game. A lot of players "practice fast" however, and then under-perform when things are for real. The NFL is full of those types of guys.

    So understand this- Campbell sees a much better Tannehill than we do and he still calls him a "game manager that can't win on his own". That's a very big problem.
     
  9. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    One quarter in and I'm already regretting benching Newton for Wilson. I expected the Falcons to be somewhat competitive since it's a divisional game and for Wilson to light up the Ravens even more.


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  10. cbrad

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    He was given a contract to be a franchise QB, so he should act like one. If he thinks the OC is holding him back.. first try to get it changed by talking to the OC, then if that doesn't work, the HC, etc.. But at the end of the day, the will to win should take over and that's one thing one just doesn't see from Tannehill much (at least it doesn't LOOK like it).
     
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  11. Fin-O

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    Can Mike Shula bring Cam with him??? MVP MVP MVP


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  12. Bumrush

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    I benched Tannehill, passed on Winston, sat my backup in Carr and started.... Fantasy MVP picked up on waivers Fitzpatrick! Picked up Fitz at 12:55 and will win because of him.
     
  13. finsfandan

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    Actually Wilson has pulled ahead of Newton so I made the right decision so far [emoji41]

    Tannehill should've done this to the Ravens. Fitzmagic is having a hell of a year.


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  14. Bumrush

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    He wasn't allowed to audible.. So no, he is not at fault for the Ravens debacle.
     
  15. finsfandan

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    He was though... Lol [emoji57]


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  16. jdang307

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    41 pts for Wilson hope yall didn't bench him
     
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  17. finsfandan

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    Started him over Newton in both of my ESPN standard scoring leagues.

    Any chance we're going to hear excuses for Tannehill's performance against the Ravens versus Wilson's today? Or do you think this is the straw that broke the camel's back?


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  18. jdang307

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    audible
     
  19. finsfandan

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    No way. I won't believe it even if it happens. No way. No way somebody can make a favorable comparison anymore.


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  20. Fin-O

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    Hey...not everyone has Marshawn Lynch to carry the offense...wait what?

    Ha! of course he looks good with Doug Baldwin to throw to, who wouldn't?

    Obviously Pete Carroll has made Wilson what he is today.

    Defense played great, that makes it easier...(but the Dolphins def was lights out).......doesnt respond.
     
  21. finsfandan

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    10 man league. Now that I've bragged enough, yeah, it's beyond ridiculous at this point. I guess Lynch and Carroll heavily contributed to this too:

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  22. finsfandan

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    What is that, 5 TDs short of Tannehill's entire season without any INTs within 4 weeks?


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  23. Fin-O

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    I don't want to talk about it anymore. :cry:
     
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  24. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. Gotta drill it into your head.

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    And my favorite stat, YPA. Wilson: 8.57. Tannehill: 7.07.

    DJ's favorite stat, Rushing Yards. Wilson: 456, 5.2 avg. Tannehill: 68, 3.2 avg.


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  25. Fin-O

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    [​IMG]


    He's got this


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  26. resnor

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    Dolphins, opponents with 20 or more points, 8 games. 1-7 record.

    Seattle, opponents with 20 or more points, 6 games. 1-5 record.

    Interesting.
     
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  27. finsfandan

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    He came back for more, fellas.

    I don't want to get in another long debate about whether or not the offense has been tiring out the defense and causing them to give up more points. We've already discussed this ad nauseam.


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  28. resnor

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    So what is the excuse for Wilson, then? Wilson is elite. He puts the team on his back. He just wins.

    Yet his record this season, is really no better than Tannehill when teams score 20 or more points on them.

    And, I see we're back to ignoring how often the defense gives up big point totals in the first half of games.
     
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  29. Bumrush

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    Zzzzzzzzzz.
     
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  30. finsfandan

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    This is the same argument, just framed another way. Wilson helps the defense stay off the field and allows them to play aggressively. Tannehill doesn't.


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  31. resnor

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    Do you not find it interesting, that despite the massive difference in their play, that their records are almost identical in games where opponents score 20 or more? Look at the games, some of those losses Wilson had over 10ypa, and played very well.

    You automatically assume this was me trying to bash on Wilson, and it's not.
     
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  32. Fin-O

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    Boy this guy is as shameless as they get......

    There isn't a stat that can be googled that would put Tanny on the same stratosphere as Wilson, yet here we go with the comparisons.

    You would think after the Brady and Rodgers talk that made him look bad he would try to save some face. Nope. Flame away, its well earned.
     
  33. resnor

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    You guys really, really refuse to have any meaningful conversation about these things.

    What do you attribute the poor record of Seattle in games where opponents score 20 or more and Wilson plays well?

    This is not me comparing Wilson or Tannehill. I'm comparing TEAM records. I already said that in many of those games this season, Wilson played very well.
     
  34. Fin-O

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    Stop it. Everyone here is hip to your intension with this....give it a rest. Get some new material together for this time tomorrow night when our offense puts up 30+ and you can come into the threads claiming "you knew all along Ryan was a top 5 QB".
     
  35. resnor

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    So, don't have any ideas why their record is really no better than ours in those situations?

    Just cause you like to troll and instigate doesn't mean all posters are like you.

    I'm really asking. I mean, a much better defense, a better QB, better coaching, yet in games where the opponent scores 20 or more, Seattle and Miami have essentially the same record.

    You don't find that interesting? Or odd?
     
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  36. Fin-O

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    Honestly?? I haven't put an ounce of thought into it....why would I? I'm well aware of this teams problems from the QB to the backup OLB.
     
  37. resnor

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    Well, perhaps you should think about it. Given all our problems, and given that Seattle is better at almost every facet of the game then us, it is surprising to me that their record is almost exactly the same as ours in those situations this season.
     
  38. jdang307

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    So lose the star running back, bad defense bad as ours almost, allowing 20 points 6 games. Winning streak, 110 rating, headed for the playoffs.

    Sounds about right.
     
  39. Fin-O

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    Don't forget a worse OL..
     
  40. resnor

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    You literally put words together, but said nothing, especially in regards to my question.
     

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