What do if Matt Moore keeps playing this well?

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Tin IndianTin IndianForum VeteranOP
Nov 23, 2011, 10:34 AM

Matt Moore has been lights out the last 3 weeks. his QBR rating has been above 85 every game and this week he was at 97.8 (I think). 6 TD's against 1 pick, playing very efficient football and by all counts taking charge in the huddle. To I believe every ones surprise, shock (perhaps horror) he is looking like a legitimate NFL starter.

All that must be tempered with the reality he has not played against very good teams the last 3 weeks. KC, Wash and Buffalo arre not exactly world beaters at the moment. But the big what if is, what do we do if he keeps this up the rest of the year against real competition? What happens if he keeps posting the numbers he has been, way outpacing td's to int's? Keeps putting up big QBR numbers and more importantly keeps winning games? Do we still do whatever is neccessary to secure a top QB in the 1st in the next draft? It seems to me that we have to still go down that road, but I am not so sure that it would be the right course if he keeps playing the way he has. I hope that the situation resolves itself for us during the rest of the season but I am completely baffled by his recent unexpected success.

Ultimately we have to see how the rest of the year goes but what if he keeps this up?

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schmoliootschmoliootSupporter
Nov 23, 2011, 10:36 AM

You still draft a QB. Moore is under contract for next year so there is no cost to keeping him.

If he plays really well you can make a decision in another year, maybe even trade him.

But we are a long way away from that. Until Moore does this for another six games, and then an entire season next year, I'm not holding my breath on his being the "answer"

BumrushBumrushSupporter
Nov 23, 2011, 10:37 AM

You still need to draft a QB in the first round, and if needed, trade up to get the guy you are targeting. At best Moore will be a Chad Pennington type player, who will never be at the elite level we need to win a championship. Plus, we need someone to groom and to step in if Moore gets injured- We all witnessed the drop off when Penington hurt his shoulder.

Tin IndianTin IndianForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 10:42 AM

I agree that we have to wait this out and in no way am I advocating that at this point he can be called the solution. I still think that you have to take that QB in the 1st, see if you can develop him and turn Moore or QB X into multiple draft picks down the road. I guess then you keep the one you think that can give you the best chance to win with and hope you are right.

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rafaelrafaelForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 10:50 AM

You don't evaluate a QB by his rating. In the last game, for example, Moore threw a pass right into the LB's hands at the goal line and it was dropped. His rating would be considerably lower if you added an INT and a took away a TD pass he got on the next play, but his actual play would be the same. I'm not saying he hasn't played well, just that people are over-estimating how well he's played b/c of the ratings and b/c they feel good about the wins. IMO Moore isn't playing as well as Henne played the first three games of the year, but nobody recognizes that b/c they're focused on the offensive/team results rather than the QB play itself.

Tin IndianTin IndianForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 10:59 AM

I agree with your position in regards to Henne. Henne was not the problem with this team earlier this year. However Moore has been playing well enough to warrant the question at this point. I am anxious to see his (and the teams for that matter) performance against the Cowpokes. The way both teams have been playing of late it should be a fairly even match up.

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NorFlaFinNorFlaFinForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 10:59 AM

Build up his trade value and trade him for a 3rd pick.

Nov 23, 2011, 11:03 AM

Cross that bridge when we come to it. Just keep in mind he's played 7 games and really only played well in 2 of them.

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2X2xBlownSupporter
Nov 23, 2011, 11:03 AM

How many times have we seen pretenders for the franchise role flash for a few games; an entire season even?

Happens every year in the league.

Matt Moore is not likely to develop into an all-pro QB, no matter what the last three weeks have shown. Even if he finishes with a QBR of over 100 on the year, you draft a 1st round QB.

BumrushBumrushSupporter
Nov 23, 2011, 11:04 AM

"ckparrothead wrote:

Cross that bridge when we come to it. Just keep in mind he's played 7 games and really only played well in 2 of them.

Unless the guy turns in to a Drew Brees clone than we have no choice but to go QB round 1.. Even if he does continue to mature and make plays, it doesn't hurt to have insurance at the position.. Just look at San Diego, even though one could argue that they would have been better off keeping Brees..

BlameItOnTheHenneBlameItOnTheHenneForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 11:15 AM

Draft QB. Let them compete.

Rick 1966Rick 1966Forum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 11:42 AM

As has been said, you still have to draft a QB. You keep Moore around to compete with him and either warm the seat till the new guy is ready or back him up.

rafaelrafaelForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 12:18 PM

"Tin Indian wrote:

I agree with your position in regards to Henne. Henne was not the problem with this team earlier this year. However Moore has been playing well enough to warrant the question at this point. I am anxious to see his (and the teams for that matter) performance against the Cowpokes. The way both teams have been playing of late it should be a fairly even match up.

I haven't seen anything out of Moore that would make me change my mind about targeting a QB as my #1 priority in this draft. And if he played exactly as well as he has the last three games over the next six, that wouldn't change my mind.

MikeHonchoMikeHonchoSupporter
Nov 23, 2011, 12:26 PM

We ride him all the way to multiple SBs... or at least until the last year of his uber-cheap contract while Barkley/RG/Jones develops.

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DSdsteveNew Member
Nov 23, 2011, 12:31 PM

we're not getting barkley. the other ones are more likely to bust. I'd rather see another whole filled if our guy is not there and I don't want our whole draft traded for one player, especially if we keep this bum ass coach.

Rhody Phins FanRhody Phins FanForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 12:43 PM

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

To be fair, Chad Pennington has never had a three game stretch like the one Moore is currently enjoying.

Actually Pennington has had a better 3 game stretch than Moore's.

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rafaelrafaelForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 01:12 PM

"dsteve wrote:

we're not getting barkley. the other ones are more likely to bust. I'd rather see another whole filled if our guy is not there and I don't want our whole draft traded for one player, especially if we keep this bum ass coach.

Filling another hole will be most likely irrelevant in terms of impact until we find that QB. The other QBs may be more likely to bust by comparison (I see that as debatable), but that's not the same as saying they are likely to bust. This draft has more than two QBs who are likely enough to succeed that they're worthy of first round picks.

PBPbatemanNew Member
Nov 23, 2011, 01:12 PM

"schmolioot wrote:

You still draft a QB. Moore is under contract for next year so there is no cost to keeping him.

If he plays really well you can make a decision in another year, maybe even trade him.

But we are a long way away from that. Until Moore does this for another six games, and then an entire season next year, I'm not holding my breath on his being the "answer"

This is exactly what we SHOULD do, I'm not gonna hold my breath though.

rafaelrafaelForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 01:14 PM

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Four arm surgeries ago. Nevertheless, you're right, I didn't bother going that far back. But to that point I would argue that Pennington would've been a damn good quarterback had he never had the shoulder issues.

IMO he could have arguably become a HOF QB.

Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan DupreeForum Veteran
Nov 23, 2011, 01:18 PM

"rafael wrote:

You don't evaluate a QB by his rating. In the last game, for example, Moore threw a pass right into the LB's hands at the goal line and it was dropped. His rating would be considerably lower if you added an INT and a took away a TD pass he got on the next play, but his actual play would be the same. I'm not saying he hasn't played well, just that people are over-estimating how well he's played b/c of the ratings and b/c they feel good about the wins. IMO Moore isn't playing as well as Henne played the first three games of the year, but nobody recognizes that b/c they're focused on the offensive/team results rather than the QB play itself.

Really? I do not agree and that is with focusing on quarterback play itself.

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OzzyOzzyLuxury Box
Nov 23, 2011, 01:50 PM

"rafael wrote:

You don't evaluate a QB by his rating. In the last game, for example, Moore threw a pass right into the LB's hands at the goal line and it was dropped. His rating would be considerably lower if you added an INT and a took away a TD pass he got on the next play, but his actual play would be the same. I'm not saying he hasn't played well, just that people are over-estimating how well he's played b/c of the ratings and b/c they feel good about the wins. IMO Moore isn't playing as well as Henne played the first three games of the year, but nobody recognizes that b/c they're focused on the offensive/team results rather than the QB play itself.

The quality of the last three opponents are something else to be considered imo...

The results are nice but lets see what happens against a quality opponent.

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unluckylucianounluckylucianoNew Member
Nov 23, 2011, 01:52 PM

I say draft a qb, keep moore, I'd even keep henne if the price is right. Worst case scenario, you have a qb you can trade later.

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DSdsteveNew Member
Nov 23, 2011, 02:36 PM

"rafael wrote:

Filling another hole will be most likely irrelevant in terms of impact until we find that QB. The other QBs may be more likely to bust by comparison (I see that as debatable), but that's not the same as saying they are likely to bust. This draft has more than two QBs who are likely enough to succeed that they're worthy of first round picks.

yeah you just called pennington a potential HOF quarterback. your opinion is invalid. sorry.

one dude had it right. henne didn't play poorly, the team played poorly. henne has the better arm, henne is the better quarterback. Wins and losses aren't the only thing you should look at. The running game was non existent, the play calling was horrible, minus about 80 percent of the NE game... look at the defense. Henne did more than enough to beat the pats but our D was horrible and the defense is the main reason we've won 3 in a row along with playing bad teams. moore will never have the game like henne did week 1. he just doesnt have the talent.

Nov 23, 2011, 02:42 PM

I hope Moore can keep this up and become a franchise QB for us. I think he has the ability to do so. With that said though, we still need to draft a QB high. This way, we would really have a good thing going.

ClipseClipseNew Member
Nov 23, 2011, 02:42 PM

You let him compete with the QB we draft in the 1st round.