Wes Weslker : Reshad Jones was a pick on guy

Wow... no respect at all, from either of the guys talking there. :no:

It was very easy to see that Reshad Jones was one of the top safeties in the NFL last year , we don't need anybody telling us otherwise.

And LOL at Wes Welker saying "he must've improved a lot", as if he didn't even see the tape. Newsflash: young players improve, especially ones picked in the 5th round, they've got nowhere to go but up.

So when ex-Pats become commentators they must have to be pricks too? Seems to be the common theme here.

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

So when ex-Pats become commentators they must have to be pricks too? Seems to be the common theme here.

I think Welker has always been a prick, nothing to do with being a paste

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

I think Welker has always been a prick, nothing to do with being a paste

We spotlighted his talents and then sent him to the team he always wanted to play for. Yet he always seems to go delta-bravo on us in one way or another.

Yeah everyone loved Welker because in one game he punted, kicked a field goal, scored a passing TD all by himself (he threw it to himself) and even hit for the cycle, but as soon as he was traded he said he would envy the pats when we played them and wished he was on the other side.

Sooooooooooo happy he never won a Super Bowl. All of the teams won after he left (well except us)

I didn't see much dissing going on there, Welker left the Pats after 2012, Jones had not come into his own until 2012, 2010 he was just a back up, 2011 he moved up into full time starter during the season, and Welker said that "he's obviously gotten better, and thats what you want from your young players to progress"(paraphrasing), and none of the guys said he didn't belong there.

"Finster wrote:

I didn't see much dissing going on there, Welker left the Pats after 2012, Jones had not come into his own until 2012, 2010 he was just a back up, 2011 he moved up into full time starter during the season, and Welker said that "he's obviously gotten better, and thats what you want from your young players to progress"(paraphrasing), and none of the guys said he didn't belong there.

Sounded like they all thought he didn't belong there to me. Welker didn't say "he obviously got better", he said he "must've improved a lot", implying that he didn't have the knowledge to say that he did, in fact, improve. Sounded like a backhanded compliment to me.

"Finster wrote:

I didn't see much dissing going on there, Welker left the Pats after 2012, Jones had not come into his own until 2012, 2010 he was just a back up, 2011 he moved up into full time starter during the season, and Welker said that "he's obviously gotten better, and thats what you want from your young players to progress"(paraphrasing), and none of the guys said he didn't belong there.

We didn't watch the same clip.

"Brasfin wrote:

Sounded like they all thought he didn't belong there to me. Welker didn't say "he obviously got better", he said he "must've improved a lot", implying that he didn't have the knowledge to say that he did, in fact, improve. Sounded like a backhanded compliment to me.

What I got from it was that they thought Thomas deserved to be higher, none of them said Jones didn't belong.

One too many shots to the dome, eh Welker?

I can't wait for the day when concrete, airtight cheating evidence is revealed which will create 2 possible outcomes. One, it would be historically speaking, the death nail for that disgusting franchise & 2 main culprits(HC + QB). And two, all former pats* and potential talking head candidates will become sports pariahs.

It's the CTE talking.

"Itsdahumidity wrote:

I can't wait for the day when concrete, airtight cheating evidence is revealed which will create 2 possible outcomes. One, it would be historically speaking, the death nail for that disgusting franchise & 2 main culprits(HC + QB). And two, all former pats* and potential talking head candidates will become sports pariahs.

I bet such evidence, if it exists, hasn't been completely erased because it serves as leverage for the future (for someone at least).

Thing is, if firm evidence of NE cheating in one of those SB years comes to light (that is, to the point where it's absolutely clear cheating led to a playoff or SB win), I can only see it happening if the target is the NFL, not NE. NFL had to be complicit in protecting their brand and there's no way NE was the only one that did something that would tarnish the NFL brand if things came to light.

But just like tons of athletes get caught doping years later (just now you're hearing about those Russian Olympians from 8 years ago, and when will someone finally prove the Chinese cheated in Beijing?.. NO way they win that many golds without fancy doping), and just like top soccer teams had their championships annulled because they rigged games (best example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Italian_football_scandal), you never know.. NFL might be a target someday and maybe NE won't officially have 4 SB's when all is said and done (low probability, but there's precedence in sports!).

"Itsdahumidity wrote:

I can't wait for the day when concrete, airtight cheating evidence is revealed which will create 2 possible outcomes. One, it would be historically speaking, the death nail for that disgusting franchise & 2 main culprits(HC + QB). And two, all former pats* and potential talking head candidates will become sports pariahs.

I'm really not sure how much more evidence you need.

After the Spygate investigation was complete, Belicheck was fined, $500,000 ,the maximum fine allowed by the NFL. The Patriot organization was fined an additional $250,000 and they lost their first round draft pick in that years draft. No one in the Patriots organization appealed the decision by the NFL, therefore they were admitting they cheated in this case.

In regards to deflategate, the NFL determined Brady was aware the footballs were being deflated and that is why they suspended him for four games. The court system has gone back and forth on his involvement, but the NFL has already made their ruling. The Patriots organization lost another first round pick during this past draft due to the findings of the NFL in deflategate.

So basically after two different investigation by the NFL, it was determined that the organization and certain individuals were guilty. So I really don't think there is any doubt, except by Patriot fans, that the Patriots were guilty of cheating in both these incidents. That is about as airtight as it going to get IMO.

Patriot fans don't care about the cheating because in their view, every team cheats. They see this as part of the game and are upset that their team is being singled out for doing the same things other teams also do. All they care about is if their team is winning and if cheating helps their team win, they are okay with it.

Is this guy high on Molly or something!?

... oh wait, that's right.

Welker will be remembered for the epic drop more than anything else. So reliable, until the most crucial moment of his career. We got the same out of D.Bess we could from Welker. The pats never missed him either. Slot guys are over -glorified, especially working with Qbs like Brady,Manning, even Tannehill etc. It's just a matter of volume.

These comments demonstrate Wes's talents as a commentator... He's going to get by on his name, for only so long.

But...Reshad WAS a guy you picked on...

Bess wasn't nearly as good as Welker, imo. I think Welker is incredibly underrated by Dolphins fans, especially because he went to the Pats. Dude was a Pro Bowl receiver, and was one of the most consistent receivers while in his prime.

I do agree that he benefited from volume in NE, but he got that volume because he was consistent, ran great routes, and moved the chains.

Before wes joined the pats* they cheated their way to SBs. He then loses SBs with them. They cheat to get another one when he leaves. Joins DEN and loses another SB. They don't retain him and in that same season DEN wins the SB... hi wes.

His brain is mush. He should have a show with Heath Evans.

Wes always seems like he's a prize short of a Happy Meal.

I'm sure reshad is losing loads of sleep over this.

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"jdang307 wrote:

Yeah everyone loved Welker because in one game he punted, kicked a field goal, scored a passing TD all by himself (he threw it to himself) and even hit for the cycle, but as soon as he was traded he said he would envy the pats when we played them and wished he was on the other side.

Sooooooooooo happy he never won a Super Bowl. All of the teams won after he left (well except us)

I loved the trade, a second round pick for a slot receiver you take that anytime. but we ended up with Samson Satele..... Sigh

Ah, porn stache is still relevant? Aw that's cute.

Give it five years.