Yep. Also, Tua trying to throw deep to the sidelines won't ever be a good look for him. He doesn't have the arm strength for those throws. Both of those throws were floated and allowed the defender to catch up. You take away the middle of the field, or can't throw middle because of time constraints, you are going to have a bad time.
and honestly his arm looks weaker lately. bouncing passes to Hill, throwing way short on the first INT.
He had a chance to convert on 4th down and end the game and he failed against a defense in shambles. What happened on our final possession doesn't change the fact Allen played terrible 90% of the game.
Strongly disagree. Proper route has Claypool heading towards the sideline which would have been a few yards away after the catch. Safety has to go through his body to make a play on the ball with a proper route, Saftey would have been a a far worse position that the coverage on Wilson that you are advocating for. CB pressing did so with inside leverage and could not have followed a proper break. It's pretty clear.
On Wilson the DB would have had to go through Wilson to defend the pass unless ball was thrown behind Wilson. Regardless, we are where we are today. Really the Titans game bit us
Disagree, first he has to have a throwing lane. Second, the CB is trailing a crossing route with great technique and good position. A good throw means a low low catch once the window is open, or the CB is in perfect position to get a hand between the WR body and the ball from the inside, not over the top. Look at your shoulders, look at your armpits. Which one allows better access to get an arm inbetween your arms and body with them extended for a catch? This is because, again, the DB on Wilson is in good trailing position on a crossing route. Chase had a vertical route with a CB playing inside technique and a safety over top. He breaks his route properly and the CB cannot follow quickly (inside technique on a vertical route) and the safety has to come down through him to get the ball, and Chase knew, or should have known, when he should have broke on the ball and where the ball would be going with that coverage.
One caveat is that Waddle or Hill instead of Wilson on that crosser and the DB is smoked, but that DB is also smoked quickly and doesn't get in the good trail position that he was.
There are two DL stacked in front of him when Tua throws that out, he cannot just magic it through them for the low middle throw that you guys are clamoring for.
Was mostly kinda tongue in cheek I'm just saying, Tua got a pass for 3 1/2 quarters of **** because of one quarter. Why different for other QBs?
most all throws have DL in front of him that is part of playing QB. It is no different of a throw then hitting the TE over the middle for 10 yards, same DL there. starting to become disturbing how many times in different games Ive seen him force that same throw into double and triple coverage.
"All QBs throw inti double triple coverages", yet the people that claim this never bother to show you the actual numbers to prove their statement.
He's not throwing it in a straight line, he could have thrown it over the dlinemen. He had ample space and no pressure. That's a pretty standard throwing situation. Either way the argument is irrelevant because Tua didn't even look that way. He was locked in on Claypool from snap to throw the whole time, he didn't even entertain a 2nd read.
This is absurd. The ball travels straight, and there wasn't room to have a pass get over the DL and down to be caught with a DB in perfect trail position to a crossing WR 10 yards deep. He should have lobbed it? Both Miller 6' 4" and Floyd 6' 3" are directly in front of Tua throwing a low ball to the middle. Besides, he didn't need to come off of Claypool as the coverage made him the correct read. You seem to have a narrative about Tua, and even the screen shots and animated evidence in this thread won't convince you otherwise. It's a little silly. No offense meant. You are saying that Tua can whip it past Miller there, which the throw you are advocating requires, when Von has a free hand posed block passes. And that if Claypool is in front of the safety as a proper route would have had him, he doesn't have an easy catch.
Dude, that clip shows my point clearly, Tua never once looked away from Clayool. Wilson comes into the frame but Tua is not looking at him. If he did look he could have thrown it. It did not even have to be low, if he just leads Wislon with a good strong throw it could have been completed if wilson bodies the defender out, at worst the DB makes a good play and breaks it up, but at least its not intercepted by the safety who has been reading Tua's eyes two plays in a row (got hill injured on the prevuous play). Throwing into single coverage is better than throwing into double coverage, yet Tua is forcing it into double coverage and ignoring the single covered man. Yes the dlinemen are tall, but they are rushing and crouching, while Tua can stand straight up and throw overhand over them, batting the ball down requires timing and some luck, or he could have shifted a bit to the side to throw it between them, but that was never even a possibility because Tua wasn’t even looking that way, he made his mind up pre-snap where he was going with the ball and throwing it there come hell or high water.
Your point is bad. The read is Claypool, you don't come off Claypool when the D is giving him. You want him to throw a 10 yard crosser to the middle of the field to a WR that had a DB in his pocket in perfect trail position, over or past an unengaged Von Miller, and an engaged DE, with no time outs and less than 2 minutes, instead of the hitting the WR on the out, with a clear throwing lane, a CB using inside leverage and S yards over the top. This argument is absurd. Claypool runs an terrible route, and when that happens in a timing offense it can go bad. That doesn't change the read. How do you think progressions even work? Do you think they just count defenders and move the the next WR? That the coverage shell doesn't matter? You know what... I think I am out of patience with this one. Still photos, and video, and an animation, and expert analysis aren't enough. It's a belief for you, and I don't argue religion.
D is not "giving" him, it was double covered. Tua is not "progressing" through his reads, he gets stuck on his first read and forces it. He did the same thing two plays in a row on that last drive. Was the previous play where he got Hill injured doing that also not Tua's fault or are you going to blame Tyreek? See the couple of clips below, even Kurt Warner says it. It's not any religion, but always blaming everyone but Tua is ridiculous. He needs to be better and evolvve past being a one read, throw to a spot based on timing QB if we want to have any chance of winning a superbowl.
You are now on to straw man arguments. My disagreeing with your "analysis" on that play does not mean that I have said Tua is never wrong. Or, that there isn't an issue with the entirety of the offense (QB is on offense) when the ball cannot come out quick. Just to be clear, plays from entirely different games don't change the play we were arguing. Also, watch the whole video from Kurt, not just the cherry picked clips. Or, don't. It's not going to change your mind. I am guessing you'll still just count defenders.
