We need Sam ..we need Sam..we need Sam !!!!

I'm not talking about choosing to have sex with someone. Of course we can choose to have sex with someone. I'm talking only about being attracted to a gender. i would never choose to have sex with a man, because I've never been attracted to men, so because of that me being straight is not a choice. If being gay is a choice that would mean we are sexually attracted to both sexes and we choose to have sex with one gender or the other.

 

You believe you control your sub conscious? If so, how is it different from your conscious?

 

No, I believe I can control how much of my subconscious I chose to act on in my normal life.

 

Then to you, what is the difference between conscious and sub?

 

One is just thoughts, the other is thoughts and actions.

 

Interesting.

 

I think most of mans woe's stem from his desires.

 

Seriously? I thought that we were having a conversation here and you actually wanted to help someone, but I guess that's not happening. I haven't shunned or persecuted anyone...I said homosexuality is a sin. When you asked questions, I answered them. That's it. In fact, I've intentionally said in almost every post that I'm no better than anyone here in the eyes of God.

 

Well then they do a terrible job enforcing it or ensuring it doesn't happen. Christians are among the most hateful, judgmental, and condemning people who've walked this planet. They're CONSTANTLY JUDGING those who don't buy into their fiction-based cult. If this weren't true, Christians wouldn't be so concerned with [strike]getting others to see the light[/strike] imposing their dated, debunked beliefs. In order for any Christian to "enlighten" his fellow man about the [strike]Bible and word of the Lord[/strike] book of peculiar stories & scare tactics and stuff allegedly said a few thousand years ago by an imaginary guy, it first requires judgment on the Christian's part. He would first have to JUDGE the person to determine if they need "enlightening".

If Christians weren't so damn judgmental and full of false entitlement, there wouldn't be a national issue right now regarding Michael Sam, okay. There wouldn't be a peep spoken about it because any true, virtuous, book-abiding Christian would know to STFU about Michael Sam or anyone else for that matter and let that individual's own actions determine his fate. But noooo, instead, Christians run their mouths as if they feel "God" himself asked them to pass judgment on his behalf. They've been running their mouths for so long and imposing their beliefs for so long that it has actually influenced societal beliefs and altered culture, so don't sit here an sanctimoniously preach Christianity doesn't promote judgment. That's as ridiculous as saying the KKK doesn't promote violence. The entire Christian religion is founded on passing judgement!!! Don't do this, don't do that, definitely don't do that, and if you do this you're gonna burn in hell. Make sure you do this, this, this, and so on ad nauseam, and if not, you'll be excluded from my kingdom.

The Christian religion and its people as a whole are so judgmental their bumper sticker should read: Christianity- judging others since 29 AD.

 

...except homosexuals who are sinners. BTW, "sin" in this context is an entirely made up word.

What I'd like to know is- does Christianity now give it's members a kickback for the insane amount of wealth it brings into the church? I mean, since it's essentially an elaborately contrived pyramid scheme, albeit an ingenious one, how many new members does one need to bring in to fulfill the bottom tier and move up a level?... or is that what's called a pastor?

 

But you answered your own question right there...of course we can choose who to sleep with. If I think someone is good looking (guy or gal), what does that have to do with my sexuality? You choose to act on that behavior, just like you choose to lie, cheat, steal, cuss, or any other sin.

Don't believe me though-

Example #1

Example #2

Example #3

Example #4

Example #5

All of these guys/gals had homosexual desires, got in church, and learned that it wasn't God's will to be homosexual. It wasn't "bred" into their DNA like they thought, it was a conscious choice they made.

 

You're not understanding my question.

Having sex with someone from the same sex does not make someone a homosexual. Being attracted to people only of the same sex makes someone a homosexual. So, if homosexuality is a choice, when did you decide you were attracted to women and no longer attracted to men. I'm guessing never. I never did, I was always attracted to females and never to men. So how was that a choice for me? For you?

 

....and I just gave you testimonies from five different people that said they were only attracted to the same sex, and now they're not. Besides, you're lying to yourself if you're saying that you've never once in your entire life looked at a guy and thought, "Darn, he's good looking!" Tom Cruise, Adam Levine, the Rock...umm, the wolf boy from Twilight...they're all good looking dudes. While most straight guys wouldn't want to admit that out loud, the thought is there just the same.

Forget about celebrities though, think back to high school. Obviously, some guys were true studs and we were jealous of them...they got all the girls. They did that, however, because most of them were really good looking and we realized that. We also saw some guys as complete dorks. Why? It wasn't their pocket protectors, it's because we were judging how they looked too.

Yup, straight guys check out other straight guys all of the time. We just don't call it that because we're not looking to hook up.

 

Keith. I'd be willing to place a very large bet with you that deep down those are some very unhappy people. I'd class myself as a secular humanist. You want faith? Fair enough, but it should in no way interfere with mine or anyone else life. Let me ask you a question, if we stopped telling kids that homosexuality was a sin how long would it be before kids didn't think homosexuality was a bad thing? If we stopped indoctrinating kids with religion, how long until those buildings just become pretty monuments to previous age? It's one generation. We could get rid of prejudice and reductive thinking quite easily. Also, regards your ridiculous aids statement yesterday, you failed to explain Africa.

 

To you, it's one generation. Even if you're not religious though, you probably know the first few chapters of the Bible...or at least it's story. Genesis starts with God creating the Heavens and the Earth. Then he populated the planet, created light, and made Adam and Eve. To a believer, this is nowhere near a generational thing...it's the history of our species.

Now let me ask you a serious question...and if you're honest, I'll have this debate with you all day long. For the sake of this argument, let's say you're right and there is no God. You're born, you live your life and then you die. That's it...game over.

Even with that in mind, would the world be better off with everyone as a Christian or everyone as a non-believer?

 

GTHO here. Stop acting as though all bullying is a result of the bully himself, as if it's ingrained in his DNA. If even one homosexual experiences religious-based bullying, then religion is to blame, PERIOD. But the sad fact is it's a lot more than just one! Your ignorance here is seriously at a preposterous level.

Yeah but you're probably right. This guy definitely didn't have a son who grew up hating gays or bullying them, especially if his son happens to be gay and grows up hating himself b/c of it. Nah, this bigot didn't bring his beliefs into the home nor speak against gays, use gay slurs, etc in front of his son. Nope, no way this guy influenced his son's beliefs or actions.


.... nor this woman's son.

Yup, no judgment or hate going on here. That website on her t-shirt must be a figment of my imagination.

Here's a picket announcement from the above disturbing website [which was created by a Christian Baptist church from Kansas]

Surrrre, no hate, judgment, or the type of actions that would lead bullying going on here.

 

The history of our species starts 14 billion years ago with a big bang. There is no plausible alternative theory.
The world would be just fine with non believers. I don't believe. I've managed to work out right from wrong, and it didn't take a rule book for me to come up with it. Also, I hate to say this, you're born, you live, you die. That's it. There is nothing else. There is absolutely zero evidence for any other possibility.
Can I ask you a question? What would make you change your mind?

Also, sorry, one last time. Homosexuality, aids, Christianity, Africa, aids. Still waiting on the answer to that one.

 

I think we are on the same side but using the wbc as an example is just wrong. It's like saying any fundamental group is the main signifier for their general group. It's he wrong place to bring them up. They are deeply deeply disturbed and angry people.

 

The history of our species starts 14 billion years ago with a big bang. There is no plausible alternative theory.*The world would be just fine with non believers. I don't believe. I've managed to work out right from wrong, and it didn't take a rule book for me to come up with it. Also, I hate to say this, you're born, you live, you die. That's it. There is nothing else. There is absolutely zero evidence for any other possibility.*Can I ask you a question? What would make you change your mind?Also, sorry, one last time. Homosexuality, aids, Christianity, Africa, aids. Still waiting on the answer to that one.

 

Rigggght.... so you're saying you like women b/c you choose to like women. Yeah ok.

...and LMAO at you providing youtube "testimonials"! Yeah no need to worry about science or anything when we've got these youtube testimonials from a few random, unverifiable, non reputable individuals. hahaahaha. It's disturbing how self-serving, delusional, dishonest, and hypocritical you act. When it serves your agenda you'll actually listen to and believe what a few unknown youtube people say about their "DNA" as if they've earned some sort of unwavering credibility or doctorate on the matter, but when millions of gays speak about their nature, you treat the entire lot as a bunch of liars and dismiss the hell out of it. Either you give credence to what all people say about themselves or you don't. You don't get to biasedly cherry pick five youtubers but then ignore the millions who offer contrary feelings.

Please, can you or any of the other obtuse-minded cult followers tell us WHY THE HELL any individual would intentionally choose to live such a difficult, persecuted, emotionally traumatic life from early on if it's a choice as you ridiculously suggest?!! C'mon I wanna hear this excuse. It gone be good.

 

What would change my mind? Nothing, because I've witnessed far too many miracles in my life. I've been blessed so many times over, and that's all the proof I need.

As far as the world being better off with non-believers, that means you're no longer an American...because the first settlements here were of religious groups that felt all laws should be based on God's laws. Next, you probably wouldn't have a home, a family or a steady job...those are all Christian principals as well. So you'd be single, broke, and humping everything that moved....because you'd basically be like the folks in Iraq or North Korea where there's nothing to do but watch state propaganda television. Since nobody else had anything either though, you'd be fighting just for the right to live.

But let's look at it from a different perspective. Let's say that someone proved that there was no God today, and all the churches disbanded. Suddenly, nothing matters anymore so hey, we might as well rape, steal, kill or anything else that strikes our fancy. Sure, there are cops around but hey...why would they give a crap what happens to you? They'll take those bribes and walk away like they do in other countries because there's no ultimate punishment.

Want to talk politics without religion? Or education? Or healthcare? They're all based on Christian principals. If there's no afterlife, then the heck with putting grandma in a home...let's just shoot her *** and feed her to the cat. You're talking about a world of chaos, much worse than what you see in society today.

You know, I once thought like you and said, "Look at those hypocrites in church...they say praise Jesus one minute and then they're sleeping with their secretary the next day." Guess what though...those aren't Christians; those are people putting up smokescreens to appear morale. That doesn't change the fact that the Bible says each of us should have a personal relationship with God, and each of us will be personally judged for our actions in life.

I must have missed that one the first time, unless you're talking about that AIDS started out in Africa. I also said in another post that God does not punish non-believers; they are simply on their own. If you look at US statistics for AIDS cases, AIDS deaths and total HIV infections though, homosexuals have the highest percentage in all three categories. Here's the thing though.....there are a heck of a lot more straight people than homosexuals, so those statistics are a lot more alarming than what's on paper.

I'm not saying that God gave gay folks AIDS, but he definitely didn't protect them from it either. How else can you explain why a small sample of the US population falls into the highest infection/date rate...even though they're scattered geographically throughout the country?

 

Come on DJ, you're not that dense. There's one simple solution here- if your kid is gay, don't pay to send them to religious schools! Public schools have a separation of church and state...send them there instead.

 

Sorry. I skipped to the bit on aids. No, not about aids coming from Africa, about aids in Africa. As a continent it is deeply conservative and in most places Christian. Where it isn't its then deeply Islamic. So two religions that don't like gays. Yet it has the largest aids infection rates. So what's the deal here then? Did god just decide he isn't down with Africans cos he sure hasn't protected them against it. God didn't create aids to smite gays. Hiv jumped species and it just so happened to hit the gay community first. Read about the history of the disease, it's morbidly interesting.

 

No, there's no reason to start over. In God's eyes, there's nothing natural about giving into perversions and homosexuals go to hell. I tried to help you, I really did, but if you want to tell kids that it's not sinful, then there's nothing else to say. I'm not going to argue blasphemy though.

 

Unfortunately, Africa has the largest "everything" rate. Most areas don't have running water, they don't have modern medicine, and they definitely don't have condoms. As I said before though, God does not punish non-believers...he simply doesn't bless them. The other half you're missing though is that if a Christian dies, they go to Heaven. We don't want to die, but we don't fear death either.

 

Why did God make animals that engage in gay sex?

 

1. Give me an example of an actual miracle. I'm interested to see what counts as one.Iraq and north Korea? Iraq, home of the Babylonians and a fledgling civilization. Or Iraq now after civil war, a poorly executed and ill conceived illegal invasion, and 20 years of fighting with Iran. Iraq is tribal. From Sunnis and shias and Kurds. It's been religion that's driven that country down. Since the 90s western sanctions have destroyed that country. We've decimated their middle class and that is usually the marker of a society. I don't think Iraqis are as you characterize them.North Korea. I've been to south Korea. I've. Visited the dmz. It's a single country where a proxy war was fought which gave us this. You could possibly draw a parallel between a cult of personality in Kim Il-sung and the control of a population and christianity but I may be stretching it. Again, western interference and a whole mess. The Korean peninsula has a very fascinating history, read about the three kingdoms, very interesting.You said nothing would change your mind and that's the problem. We could present a fairly thorough history of our planet and our evolution and you'd dismiss it. If you could show me evidence, I could be persuaded the other way. But you can't, because it comes down to 'faith' and that isn't good enough for me.If a lack of religion causes people to degenerate into wild animals why do these advanced economies and nations like Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the UK, France, Estonia all have under 30% of their population say religion isn't important. I'm not American, I'm Scottish. However, if your sole criteria for being American is a belief and not having that makes you not American, you need to have a word with 40% of your countrymen. I'm sure that's 120 million refugees you just created. Having a job and a house and a family has squat to do with religion. It's not Christian to have any of those things.

 

Sorry. Posting from mobile view and it doesn't break up the paragraphs.

 

Dear God! Where are the Mods?

 

1- Animals are not people, nor do they read the Bible

2- The VAST MAJORITY of animals are not homosexual

3- Why are you comparing gay people to animals?

 

South Africa has condoms and an 18% infection rate. It also has a health minister who said that medicines wouldn't help, only Jesus and beets I think. I don't want to die either, but I'm not afraid of death either. I don't need to promise of an imaginary good eternal existence to make me be good now. It's like bribing your kids with dessert. You eat your tea because it keeps you alive. Kids don't get that so we offer them the prize at the end. When you grow up, you no longer need the bribery.

 

I'd fist bump this post if I could. Funniest comment in ages.

 

Spot ******* right on!!!

 

but it's not wrong. The WBC is actually a prime example b/c they feel they represent true devoutness to the Bible. If there was no Christianity, there'd be no WBC, and anyone befallen to their persecution would have never experienced such. To deny the existence of the WBC as it pertains to Christianity is to turn a blind eye to anyone ever affected by them.

If we're to dismiss Christianity's influence on the WBC then we'd also have to sweep the Holocaust under the rug too even though Hitler believed he was a massive crusader of Christianity, strictly carrying out the word of the Lord. Here are a few of Hitler's MANY Christian based quotes:

What about the Christian based KKK? Should we pretend their actions never existed as well? I'm not criticizing your post; I'm just asking in general.