we need a new defensive coordinator

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the 23rdNew MemberOP

Dec 22, 2014, 04:33 PM

would be sweet if Rex fell out of favor as a head coach & we could acquire him as our defensive coordinator. having said that, other upgrades will come available.

we need to utilize the 3/4:

...............Wake ( Starks / Earl ) Vernon...............

Dion Jordan - Koa Misi - Jelani Jenkins - Chris McCain

draft or acquire through free-agency:
the best Nose Tackle & Inside Linebacker available

what do you think?

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Larry LittleSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 04:39 PM

Every time there's a post about switching to a 3-4 defense, a puppy is murdered.

Please help stop the murder of puppies. Please stop talking about the 3-4.

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MikeHonchoSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 04:41 PM

Mark D'Onofrio.

That guy just seems to land jobs by default.

Headcoach material wouldn’t want to work somewhere they’re not trusted with actual football decisions.

the 23rdNew Member

Dec 22, 2014, 04:44 PM

obviously, you use both systems according to circumstace. having said that, we need to play according to talent & our strength would be better utiized in the 3/4. think about it.

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Larry LittleSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 04:47 PM

"the 23rd wrote:
obviously, you use both systems according to circumstace. having said that, we need to play according to talent & our strength would be better utiized in the 3/4.

We don't have the personnel to run the 3-4. At all. Please stop. This isn't Madden.

The thing you have to remember about critics is that they can't do it themselves. - John Cleese

the 23rdNew Member

Dec 22, 2014, 04:56 PM

obviously, I disagree with you.

we have better talent at 3/4 than 4/3 but each has its place in a defensive game-
plan.
think about facing Wake, Starks, Vernon, Jordan, Koa Misi, Jelani Jenkins & Chris McCain at the same time on the other side of the ball?

reguardless, a traditional big & nasty nose tackle coupled with a stud I/L would be the icing on the cake. not much to fix...

the biggest hurdle will be a defensive coordinator.

- Competition is the Elixir of Success -

Larry LittleSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 05:00 PM

"the 23rd wrote:
obviously, I disagree with you.
we have better talent at 3/4 than 4/3 but each has its place in a defensive scheme. think about facing Wake, Starks, Vernon, Jordan, Koa Misi, Jelani Jenkins & Chris McCain at the same time on the other side of the ball?
reguardless, a traditional big & nasty nose tackle coupled with a stud I/L would be the icing on the cake. not to much to fix...
the biggest hurdle will be a defensive coordinator.

Go get 'em, Tiger. :up:

The thing you have to remember about critics is that they can't do it themselves. - John Cleese

VManisSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 05:02 PM

I think the Goose said it best in the pregame yesterday, Coyle simply needs to stop scheming so much, particularly with his fronts. Simplify and let the players play.

Piston HondaForum Veteran

Dec 22, 2014, 05:04 PM

I think we have 3-4 personnel at DE and LB but without Soliai we're hurting at NT which is essential if you want to run a 3-4. Clearly the staff prefers 4-3 so Ive just accepted it.

the 23rdNew Member

Dec 22, 2014, 05:14 PM

got a lot of big nasty nose tackles, just waiting to be drafted.... and who knows what free-agency will bring? Starks & Earl can hold the job without problem on rotation while we find another Soliai.

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ToddPhinLuxury Box

Dec 22, 2014, 05:41 PM

"Larry Little wrote:
We don't have the personnel to run the 3-4. At all. Please stop. This isn't Madden.

:confused: We totally have the personnel to run a 1-gap 3-4 that can double as a pressuring 5-2 similar to what Houston ran so well. We're dripping in personnel to run it.

Odrick and Starks are 5-techs.
Mitchell was a NT in that scheme.
As a left-side-only guy, Wake is probably better off as a 3-4 LOLB (or 4-3 Under SAM/WDE) than 4-3 DE since it would allow him the best of both worlds- the ability to play Strongside OLB against strongside formations in base D and weakside edge rusher against weakside formations rather than having him constantly on the line against physically-demanding strongside formations which leaves the defense vulnerable to the run causes Wake unnecessary exertion. Instead of Wake facing a big RT or even a double team against a strong side run in base D, Odrick or Starks would be more suitably tasked with that role as a 5/6 tech DE.

Dion Jordan is markedly better-suited as a hybrid OLB than 4-3 DE.
Jelani Jenkins would probably be an even greater playmaker as a 3-4 WILL with more opportunity to roam behind 3 big bodies up front instead of 2.
Misi is better suited as a 3-4 MIKE where he has the size and physicality to get up in there and stuff run lanes as the thumper , make better use of his previously learned pass rush skills, and have less responsibility placed on him in the passing game than as a 4-3 MIKE where we should have better athleticism, sideline-to-sideline ability, and coverage ability than what Misi provides.

Not much tweaking need be done to the secondary other than replacing guys who already need replacing- Finnegan & Delmas. Byron Maxwell is a FA this year. He'd be a great solution at one corner position. It'd take less effort and resources to make this unit a great 3-4 or 4-3 Under than it would to make it a great, traditional 4-3.

DisgustipateSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 06:11 PM

There's no way Rex Ryan is going to be Joe Philbin's defensive coordinator for a variety of reasons.

If Kevin Coyle gets fired, I'd tend to think they'd look towards guys like Mike Nolan or Steve Spagnuolo. I'd tend to expect Mark Duffner, but he's apparently Coyle's guy.

DisgustipateSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 06:25 PM

"Larry Little wrote:
We don't have the personnel to run the 3-4. At all. Please stop. This isn't Madden.

They've been running a fair amount of 3-4 packages this year, so I'm not sure it's that wacky.

You're also looking at a revamp of the interior line regardless. That's the biggest barrier right now to the Dolphins(and largely, I think)- Finding defensive ends.

JWjw3102Forum Veteran

Dec 22, 2014, 06:27 PM

Philbin had to be ordered to fire Sherman and the offensive line coach after last season. If Ross had not stepped in and made Philbin fire them, they would still have been on the coaching staff this year.

I don't see Ross forcing Philbin to fire Coyle, so I fully expect the defense to remain the 4-3 defense it has been the past three years.

Even if Philbin had the backbone to fire Coyle, I don't think any top tier DC would want to come to Miami and work for a lame duck coach in the final year of his contract. There will be plenty of better opportunities for the better DC's than coming to Miami.

dolphindebbyLuxury Box

Dec 22, 2014, 06:58 PM

I personally don't want ryan anywhere near this team.
We had enough trouble with out that beg mouth slob here.:no:

2socksForum Veteran

Dec 22, 2014, 08:32 PM

"the 23rd wrote:
would be sweet if Rex fell out of favor as a head coach & we could acquire him as our defensive coordinator. having said that, other upgrades will come available.
we need to utilize the 3/4:
...............Wake ( Starks / Earl ) Vernon...............
Dion Jordan - Koa Misi - Jelani Jenkins - Chris McCain
draft or acquire through free-agency:
the best Nose Tackle & Inside Linebacker available
what do you think?

we have the 8th ranked defense

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resnorForum Veteran

Dec 22, 2014, 08:45 PM

I don't care where we rank...our defense has not been good. And it's not simply due to injuries. We were not good prior to the injuries. Been the same story for two seasons now.

NyPhinfanForum Veteran

Dec 22, 2014, 08:48 PM

As much as I would love to see Rex step in as Def Coordinator...I just don't see Philbin getting rid of Coyle and I cant imagine Philbin and Ryan's personality are even close to a match

speedNew Member

Dec 22, 2014, 09:23 PM

I don't know if it's the scheme, or if the players just aren't that good.

I mean when Trusnik and Wheeler are starting at LB, you aren't a good defense.

MrCleanSupporter

Dec 22, 2014, 09:43 PM

"the 23rd wrote:
would be sweet if Rex fell out of favor as a head coach & we could acquire him as our defensive coordinator. having said that, other upgrades will come available.
we need to utilize the 3/4:
...............Wake ( Starks / Earl ) Vernon...............
Dion Jordan - Koa Misi - Jelani Jenkins - Chris McCain
draft or acquire through free-agency:
the best Nose Tackle & Inside Linebacker available
what do you think?

If we switched to a 3-4 front, Wake and Vernon would be OLBs. Having them as the down linemen in a 3 man front would allow teams to run like crazy on us, no matter who was playing NT.
With our current personnel a 3-4 would look something like:

DL: Starks - Mitchell - Odrick

LB: Wake - Misi - Jenkins - Vernon.

Or you could have Vernon rotate with Wake, and have someone like Jordan or McCain as the other OLB.

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