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We got F***** on that time out call

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Trowa, Sep 22, 2009.

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  1. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the rulebook state that if a player is injured within 2 minutes that it supercedes a timeout taken by the opposing team if one is taken? I mean, after all, it's not like the player was only hurt AFTER we took that time out. The time out should have been charged to the Colts, per the rules, which would have given us a time out at the end which would have changed our play calling and overall strategy and could have had an impact on the game. I'm not saying we would have won. But it would have been nice if they would have gotten the ruling correct.
     
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  2. anlgp

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    i don't know the rule to be honest
     
  3. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    This is what made me upset about that.

    Which happened first the Miami TO or the injured Colt? THE INJURED COLT HAPPENED ON THE PREVIOUS PLAY EVEN IF IT WASN'T SEEN.

    What kind of rule is that?
     
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  4. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    i was thinking the same thing. every other time ive seen this happen they charged the defense with the timeout and gave one back to the offense.
     
  5. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Why is no one else as pissed about this as I am? This was a blatantly incorrect ruling by the officiating staff that you can't deny had an impact on the end of the game. I hope the NFL reviews this and holds it against this crew. Blowing an easy call like that, in an important spot, on national telivision...it's not good for the league. And above all else, it really ****ed us over. I'm less pissed about the Ginn drop, the terrible secondary play and the horrible clock management/play calling in the last 2 mins than I am about this. At least those things we can only blame ourselves for. This, this was just getting straight out jobbed.
     
  6. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    I was a bit surprised about the call as I thought that was the rule too... I've come to terms that we lost the game though... I've decided that I'm not going to get too upset about a loss we're never going to get back anyways...
     
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  7. Samphin

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    I'm not pissed because given our piss poor time management on that drive. We simply would have called another QB sneak and called the timeout then.

    In the grand scheme of things, it is a non issue when you consider what the Colts did to us in little less than a quarter of football time and what are we to do about our #1 wideout who never saw a touchdown pass he liked.
     
  8. High Definition

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    The guy behind me called this. I was a bit unsure, but wow. Typical, though. We're the Dolphins.
     
  9. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Agreed on that front, but this goes deeper than just one loss. There has been a definite trend of horrible officiating over the last several years in the NFL. And when an officiating crew can't get a simple ruling like THIS correct, it boggles the mind. The NFL has the money, they need to hire, train and oversee officials. None of this weekend volunteer high school principal bull**** any more.
     
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  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    It was called before anyone notice the injury.
     
  11. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    That doesn't matter. The injury happened first, and when it does a timeout is automatically charged to that player's team. If the opposing team takes a timeout in that sequence it is, by rule, supposed to refunded to them and the timeout charged to the opposing team (whether or not they have one left.)

    The call was botched. That's all there is to it. And the NFL needs better refs. It's a truely serious issue at this point.
     
  12. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I guess not 100% on the rule. I was more upset at the fact we ran 2 plays in 68 seconds......
     
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  13. Roman529

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    They said that if a team calls a time out before there is a time out called for an injured player, then the first time out applies and this is why Miami got charged.....there was NO mistake by the officiating crew.
     
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    I don't get it......why did it take the crew so long to notice the injury.....if he was injured on the play and was down they should have noticed it and charged a time out after the play.....
     
  15. Roman529

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    Yeah, that is what I am wondering.....why didn't the refs notice there was an injured player on the ground? They didn't call anything or stop the clock, but then I believe Chad Pennington signaled for the time out and Miami got charged with it, even though the Colts player was on the ground and injured several seconds before Chad called time out. I think there should be a rule which states that injury should supercede all else, but apparently it is the first who signals time out that gets charged....this is a stupid rule. :no:
     
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    yeah the only reason we called a time out was because time was wasting off the clock, if the refs would have just said "please reset the clock with so and so and the colts are charged with a time out".......guess we just don't get that kind of break
     
  17. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I know that's what the commentators said the referees said. I watched the game. What I'm saying is, that's not the correct ruling. I have been searching for some documentation to back up my claim, empty so far, but I'm 100% certain that is the way the rule works because I've seen it implemented before.
     
  18. Roman529

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    Here is the only thing I could find regarding time outs in the last two minutes of a half or game, but it doesn't clarify who gets charged with a time out in case there is an injured player:

    Digest of Rules Main


    Timing in Final Two Minutes of Each Half
    On kickoff, clock does not start until the ball has been legally touched by player of either team in the field of play. (In all other cases, clock starts with kickoff.)

    A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock.
    If the defensive team is behind in the score and commits a foul when it has no time outs left in the final 40 seconds of either half, the offensive team can decline the penalty for the foul and have the time on the clock expire.
    Fouls that occur in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter as well as the last two minutes of the first half will result in the clock starting on the snap.
     
  19. NaboCane

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    The time-out that is charged is the first one recognized by the Refs.

    And Chad couldn't have known what was going to transpire within seconds of his calling that time-out, or he wouldn't have called it.
     

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