We All Owe Mel Kiper and the Draft Experts an Apology
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GARDENHEADsubscriberOPParcells and Ireland got RIPPED for taking Pat White in the 2nd and Pat Turner in the 3rd. Both were considered huge reaches by most draft experts.
I was one of the people who defended those picks, and now, after only ONE SEASON, both are cut. Mel, you were right. Pat Turner and Pat White suck and should never have been drafted at all, much less in rounds 2 and 3.
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Stitchesluxury_boxHow do we all owe them apologies?
I certainly never liked the Pat White pick.
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Mcduffie81subscriber"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Parcells and Ireland got RIPPED for taking Pat White in the 2nd and Pat Turner in the 3rd. Both were considered huge reaches by most draft experts.
I was one of the people who defended those picks, and now, after only ONE SEASON, both are cut. Mel, you were right. Pat Turner and Pat White suck and should never have been drafted at all, much less in rounds 2 and 3.
My apologies to every draft guru out there...except you Mr. Kiper. :tongue2:
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Zeke0123forum_veteranHey how bout Mel talking about seeing us all at WR Mike Williams HOF induction speech...Im not apologizing for anything..no one is perfect..certainly not Kiper.
Alex13subscriber"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Parcells and Ireland got RIPPED for taking Pat White in the 2nd and Pat Turner in the 3rd. Both were considered huge reaches by most draft experts.
I was one of the people who defended those picks, and now, after only ONE SEASON, both are cut. Mel, you were right. Pat Turner and Pat White suck and should never have been drafted at all, much less in rounds 2 and 3.
jon gruden and mike mayock loved the white pick, they were actually ecstatic when it happened
Desidesforum_veteranI don't owe anyone an apology: I was against Turner and White.
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KillerphinsNew Member"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Parcells and Ireland got RIPPED for taking Pat White in the 2nd and Pat Turner in the 3rd. Both were considered huge reaches by most draft experts.
I was one of the people who defended those picks, and now, after only ONE SEASON, both are cut. Mel, you were right. Pat Turner and Pat White suck and should never have been drafted at all, much less in rounds 2 and 3.
I don't owe anyone anything...I knew from the very start the Pat White experiment was a bust. That pick sucked form the moment it happened.
As far as Turner I was meh...Rooted for him to make it but never backed the pick.
I have a hard time believing anyone actually believed PW could be an NFL QB.
FiresoleNew MemberKiper? Please. That guy is right as often as a broken clock. Just look at what he said about the Jamarcus Russell pick.
TotoreMexicoforum_veteran"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Parcells and Ireland got RIPPED for taking Pat White in the 2nd and Pat Turner in the 3rd. Both were considered huge reaches by most draft experts.
I was one of the people who defended those picks, and now, after only ONE SEASON, both are cut. Mel, you were right. Pat Turner and Pat White suck and should never have been drafted at all, much less in rounds 2 and 3.
Ronnie Bassluxury_boxI was against the White pick but was ok with the Turner pick. The White pick really stings right now because it could have been used for more help in the secondary, an area that could cripple our season if they don't start stepping up.
Silverphinforum_veteranI'll apologize to them when they apologize for ripping us about Brady Quinn.
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Bien dicho! :)
Da 'Finsmoderatorthrowing away a 2nd & 3rd pick for zero productivity just hurts. It has set the team back a bit.
That said, I give them credit for realizing a mistake when they see it and letting it go.
Turner may yet have a chance in the league - there are plenty of WR's who take some time to develop.
Hey, even the aforementioned Mike Williams is a potential starter now with Seattle.
But, I'm not high on Turner by any means. Just sayin'
adamprez2003forum_veterannoone wanted those guys where they were picked. then again noone wanted hartline or carroll either
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Zeke0123forum_veteran"Da 'Fins wrote:
throwing away a 2nd & 3rd pick for zero productivity just hurts. It has set the team back a bit.
That said, I give them credit for realizing a mistake when they see it and letting it go.
Turner may yet have a chance in the league - there are plenty of WR's who take some time to develop.
Hey, even the aforementioned Mike Williams is a potential starter now with Seattle.
But, I'm not high on Turner by any means. Just sayin'
cut.
CashInFistforum_veteranMel Kiper also said that Ryan Leaf would have a better NFL carrer than Peyton Manning...
SpeedyNew Member"TotoreMexico wrote:
John Elway caliber?:sidelol:
GO FINS! :marble:
Frumundah FinnaticNew MemberI have nothing to aplogize for, I didnt like the pick
MonstBlitz;2232016 wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if he is retained. Jeff Ireland is the nightmare that won't end. The **** stain you cannot flush. The Herpes for which there is no cure.
the 23rdNew Memberat best, the draft is one big calculated risk.
no one knows until they come under fire what a college prospect will do in the heat of NFL performance.
I'm sure they better than most in the draft.
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djphinfansubscriberI was excited for the white pick, but it wasn't because I envisioned him being a QB, or our QB..just how he would work within the parameters of the wildcat offense playing a multitude of roles.....that never happened, and it was never attempted...
DolfanJakeNew Member"TotoreMexico wrote:
Kiper "Russell's skill level is John Elway-like" :lol::lol::lol:
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Rick 1966forum_veteranLike dj, I was hoping Pat White would add a new dimension to the Wildcat, but that didn't happen. I don't think it wasn't attempted, I think he just didn't have the physical talent for it. But I thought it was a good pick at the time and I was wrong.
Fin Dforum_veteranMeh.
We struck out on White but scored on Henne, Thiggy, & Penny.
We struck out on Turner, but scored on Bess, Hartline, Moore, Wallace and of course, Marshal.
I'll take that all day, everyday.
Parcells has said the draft is more like rolling the dice in Vegas than a science.
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