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  1. Whitedolphin54

    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    I have had a drink tonight and this is a lighthearted but possibly somewhat truthful insight to winning the SB from me.

    If we want to win a SB then Defense is the key

    Bear in mind, this is before FA and trades :lol:

    Defense wins Championships ?

    Heard it all before ?

    Hmmnnn!

    I think i would spend every damn draft pick on defense if I had my way!

    A good 3-4 Defensive team should have;

    A great NT--We have Solai and nowt else

    Good run stopping Ends--Starks is good, Merling could be dropped to LB or even tried inside.

    At least one great ILB-- Ok we will leave that one for now

    At least one great/good OLB--J Taylor is good but on decline--C Wake has potential--so Ok we will leave that one for now too

    Two great CB's--Ok we have them for years to come hopefully, but one swallow doesn't make a summer !

    FS-Ok we will leave that one for now--getting the theme now

    SS- Y Bell-ok but not great

    Now having said that we weren't that bad, but there were glaring holes IMO

    For all you Offensive guys, just letting you know, we need help :lol:
     
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  2. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=- Club Member

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    I just read that entire thing, and still have no idea where it was going. No offense.
     
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  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    An axiom that is no longer true, much like "run and stop the run."
     
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  4. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I agree.
    I think New Orleans proved that just 48 hours ago.
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    I respectfully disagree, they had a good defense. Offense will not win consistently without help from the D. Both teams were lucky to beat us during the season. I think the Colts were an ideal team for the Saints to play. And it was a an interception from Porter that turned the game too, not what Brees and the offense were doing. Anyway that aside, it wasn't my argument.

    I still think that even in this Offense orientated season, that the defense will win you a championship.

    My point was that we will never win a SB without quality players on Defense, and we have few. I know I will get ripped for this post, but it is only an opinion. Just want guys honest thoughts, thats all
     
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  6. Stitches

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    20th scoring defense, 25th defense in yardage.

    Gave up over 325+ passing yards to colts, got 0 sacks, gave up almost 100 yards rushing at 5+ ypc, and gave up 48% 3rd down conversions. Yea, totally good defense.
     
  7. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    they werent a good defense they were opportunistic.....I will say...
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    LOL I know m8, they were lucky but you would have to expect that if your team was racking up 30+ points a game. Trust me it will even out with rule changes over the next few seasons :lol: I am not a great stat enthusiast. Are you saying that you should have only great offensive players in the future ?

    If the Fins had some great D players they may have beaten both those teams, would have been in the play offs and would have been there instead. Food for thought ?

    I suppose you could argue that if we had great WR's we would have beaten them too
     
  9. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    If they had some great O players they may have beaten both teams as well. That sword cuts both ways.
     
  10. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As I looked at the final four teams the one thing they all had in common was big receiving targets.
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    That is true, but my sword will cut your neck off anytime soon :yes:

    I still believe that Defense will win a Championship over Offense. I see your point and accept it may be true, but in truth, I am just being nice to you :lol:
    I would still invest in two LB's and a Fs in the first 3 rounds of the draft. Just to make your offense look good :tongue2:
     
  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    If you'd venture to the draft forum, I actually have that happening. :tongue2:
     
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  13. alen1

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    I think third in INT's is damn good though and telling. I also think thirteen fumbles recovered is good, which tied for fifth.
     
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    The 7th Cavalry is always welcome, late as usual, but always welcome :lol:
     
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  15. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I agree, but none of those things make their D anything great (or necessarily good). They were very opportunistic, and able to score a lot of points off of those takeaways. 5 of their INTs (of 26) came from the LBs. Our LBs had 2 by comparison, yet I highly doubt if our LBs were able to come up with 3 more INTs that we would've been that much better (record-wise). If we want our defense to improve (in the W category) it's got to come in pass defense and takeaways, not necessarily LB play. And I think not having rookie CBs next year will help a ton.
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    Like i said, not really interested in those yardage stats as it is a misconception, when an offense does well. An opponent will always have good D stats against a team that passes well against them.

    I remember Dan Marino passing for 400 yards plus against the Raiders in 84 I think. But I also remember that the the two corners for the Raiders that day were all over our WR's [Hayes and Haynes ?} and even had an interception returned for a TD. They won 43-34 but ruined what was an almost perfect day for Dan. Just goes to show that on even a great offensive showing we lost a game because we never had a defense that could cope with their average Offense. We looked like the Colts/Saints of now, if not better. They were a good side but more evenly balanced than we were. i know things have changed, but just remember what goes around, comes around :yes:
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    We need better LB's. And we need a great FS
     
  18. alen1

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    I think their discipline in coverage and their various looks that Gregg Williams provides helps them. They are an aggressive defense that are led by a ball hawk safety and a pretty good front seven. I felt that they were better in the post season than they were in the regular season defensively and that's always key IMO.

    I think if our defense had 11 more INT's, regardless of which position it came from, and more discipline, we would have won more games. Would you agree?
     
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  19. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    yet the game chaning play in the SB was a pick six
    a big play by the defense :up:
     
  20. Stitches

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    Then why did Green Bay have the 7th best passing offense but gave up the 3rd fewest yards? Or Dallas the 6th passing offense but gave up 9th fewest yards? New England had the #3 passing offense but 12th fewest yards. :tongue2:
     
  21. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I just saw the two best offensive teams in the league play in the Superbowl. They have good, not great defenses. We want a superbowl in today's NFL we need an explosive passing game.
     
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  22. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Certainly, those 11 takeaways would've had to come from games we already won for it not to help which is simply improbable.

    Most people cite our LB play as being the thing that needs the most improvement (on D) in order for us to win, and that was mainly what I was arguing against (though I think improved LB play can certainly help).
     
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  23. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Or maybe it was a game changing play by special teams. :tongue2:
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    Good point, I wil get back to you :lol:
     
  25. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    that was big
    and risky to try the onside kick
    but has anyone ever seen manning get a route jumped like that at such a crucial point in the game
    i sure havent
    that was a great defensive play
    the pick six was the game changer
    decided the outcome
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    What is puzzling for me is that two passing teams have got to the SB and no one has been able to stop them. They always have been stopped in history They both have decent RB's for sure but are not juggernauts when it comes to rushing. Neither side has been able to stop the pass, apart from big plays here and there ?. Neither side are considered to be a great Defensive team ? Just great balance, or just great coaching ?
     
  27. Stitches

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    Just great QB play.
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    That didn't change the game IMO, just the momemtum. They needed that to stay in the game. THE GAME CHANGING PLAY was the interception by Porter :tongue2:
     
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    Or just down right bad defense :lol:
     
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    Whitedolphin54 From the land of legends Luxury Box

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    I don't care what you guys think, but the play that won the SB was a DEFENSIVE play by Porter, when he intercepted that immortal guy on Offense that calls himself Manning, just like Marino before. D will always win a SB so dont you young'uns forget it :tongue2:
     
  31. alen1

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    Eleven takeaways is eleven takeaways, they would change our win total IMO.

    Safety play is right up there with LB play. I think our struggles in the back line of the defense are more detrimental than our LB play, honestly, but some may disagree with me.
     
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  32. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    i already pointed that out and some arent buying it :up:

    the game is definitely leaning toward the offense these days but it doesnt change the fact that something has to change on the defensive side of the ball
    we gave up a little over 24 points a game last season
    you rarely win like that in this league
    we need more play makers on the d
     
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    You know-- I would love to have a great defense and win games 14 - 7 every week. I get the feeling from you guys you would rather win or lose 34-31 every week.

    I would take greater pride in a D that gave up sweet **** all [am I allowed to say that} each week, than an Offense that racks up 40 points a week. it is so easy to score now it is a joke. Great defense wont give nothing but a ring IMO. As usual Offensive players are worth more than Densive players. Defensive players are so much better :lol:
     
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  34. rafael

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    I don't see much reason to believe that defenses wins championships anymore. The key factors are winning the turn over battle and winning the YPA battle. If you do those two things you win about 95% of the time. This is a fact that has been confirmed over several years.

    Now turnovers seem to fluctuate quite a bit from year to year and team to team. There seems to be a large amount of luck in that. But the YPA stat is something we can seek to improve. And having a YPA stat over 7.0 seems to be a near prerequisite to get into the post-season. The vast majority of playoff teams accomplish this and the ones who get by without it usually have either a ton of luck (great TO differential or the like) or some other area that is just overly dominant.

    So how do you improve your odds of winning the YPA battle? To do so you need a couple of things on offense, specifically a good QB and good WRs/TEs. I think we have to believe at this point that we have the makings of the QB until it's proven otherwise. The WR/TE is where we are sorely lacking. All four of the final four teams had big receiving targets. IMO this is the area where are most lacking.

    On defense you need pressure on the passing and a ball hawking FS. Our pass pressure was adequate. By many measures we were pretty decent. Top 5 in sacks, top 10 in hurries. I want to see improvement there but it wasn't our weakest area. At FS we have a problem. I think the biggest problem was a scheme issue. I really hope we bring in or at least use a true FS. Clemons might be the guy there. If he isn't then I don't know that the draft or FA offers many solutions. Assuming Berry is gone by our pick the only other ball hawking FS is Thomas. I also don't expect much to be available in FA.

    So IMO if you want a SB you look at what wins, what you don't have, and what is available. Our first priority should be to get some big receiving targets. There should be some available through trade, FA or draft. If we don't address this I think we have almost no chance to be a SB contender. Next we have to use a true FS. Those should be the priorities. There's obviously more that we need, like NT and ILBs but they are not as high on the "Want a Superbowl?" requirement list.
     
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    Thx for your thoughts shag, perhaps I look too much into the history of things that work. Big WR's will be a need, but I still think that D will take a big part of the draft [FA and trades pending].
    I still see OLB/DE as our 1st pick,and i still see a safety or NT at rnd 3
     
  36. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    Stats schmats. They held the Colts to 17 points. Bottom line.
     
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    Did you see the way the Saints beat up Favre in the Championship game? That defense can hit! Sedrick Ellis, Anthony Hargrove, Jonathan Vilma, Darren Sharper, and Tracy Porter are legit. They were among the best at their respective positions this season.
     
  38. Saint Greg

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    I believe you need a great offense and a good enough defense. It seems obvious since the 18th and 25th ranked defenses made it to the superbowl. I believe the saints defense was a little better than their ranking. Most don't consider the fact that Jabari Greer missed half the season and tracy porter missed five games. You saw what happened when Greer missed one play on Sunday....TD Garcon. In 08 we were 8-8. I figured just four less points per game given up would've given us 11 wins and a division title. This year we gave up 3.3 less points per game and we won 13.


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  39. PhinsRock

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    We need a big #1 WR, a TE, and not much more on offense. On Defense we need: NT, ILB, OLB, FS. That's 4 to 2 in favor of Defense. End of discussion. :lol:
     
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