Vontae Davis thoughts?

"Dolphin1184 wrote:

It was awesome watching the leadership of this team (Gibril Wilson) let him have it when he made that stupid mistake.

I couldn't agree more. I meant to mention that in my post, matter of fact. Maybe he made an impression on the rook.

"padre31 wrote:

The interesting thing is, the player who got in his face wasn't Y Bell, it was Gibril Wilson, he let him know that he needs to tighten up his game.

Wilson is a leader....good to see

Davis is in mature and over confident

He's a project and will not start

"alen1 wrote:

Perfect example is when Troy Williamson caught the tipped pass on the slant route. Davis had him locked down and then he let up for a quick second and paid for it.

I thought he lost focus earlier on that play. It looked to me like Williamson had beaten him pretty well. If the QB had gone to Williamson directly it would have been a completion. And frankly I don't consider Williamson to be all that good of a route runner.

"rafael wrote:

I thought he lost focus earlier on that play. It looked to me like Williamson had beaten him pretty well. If the QB had gone to Williamson directly it would have been a completion. And frankly I don't consider Williamson to be all that good of a route runner.

We may be thinking of different plays or we saw it differently. I don't remember Williamson beating Davis on that play. I remember Davis jamming him well and then the pass was tipped, then Williamson proceeded to drop to the ground and catch it. Right after that, the commentator mentioned what I saw as well.

"alen1 wrote:

We may be thinking of different plays or we saw it differently. I don't remember Williamson beating Davis on that play. I remember Davis jamming him well and then the pass was tipped, then Williamson proceeded to drop to the ground and catch it. Right after that, the commentator mentioned what I saw as well.

I know the play and I heard what the announcers said. They said he "relaxed", but if you watch the replays they showed during the review you'll see that he got spun before that. They engaged in some hand fighting off the line and then right before Williamson went to cut inside he pushed Davis' hand off him. Davis ended up facing the sideline as Williamson turned towards the middle of the field. Then Williamson pulled up b/c he saw the pass go to the other WR. This allowed Davis to catch up. Then Davis "relaxed" and Williamson went and got the tip.

And that wasn't the only play Davis got beat either. In the third quarter Bowman over threw a flag route out of bounds. As the camera tracked the ball though you saw that Underwood had beaten Davis by at least two steps.

It was just not a good showing by Davis.

"rafael wrote:

I know the play and I heard what the announcers said. They said he "relaxed", but if you watch the replays they showed during the review you'll see that he got spun before that. They engaged in some hand fighting off the line and then right before Williamson went to cut inside he pushed Davis' hand off him. Davis ended up facing the sideline as Williamson turned towards the middle of the field. Then Williamson pulled up b/c he saw the pass go to the other WR. This allowed Davis to catch up. Then Davis "relaxed" and Williamson went and got the tip.

And that wasn't the only play Davis got beat either. In the third quarter Bowman over threw a flag route out of bounds. As the camera tracked the ball though you saw that Underwood had beaten Davis by at least two steps.

It was just not a good showing by Davis.

You're right, my bad.

"alen1 wrote:

You're right, my bad.

No worries man. I re-watched the play just now to verify I had it right.

"rafael wrote:

No worries man. I re-watched the play just now to verify I had it right.

:up:

I think it's up to the coaches, Parcells, leaders on the team and etc to climb up this guy's rear and stay there until he gets his head on straight....we can't afford for him not to pan out. In fact, we desperately need him to get it together enough to competently man the 3rd corner spot this season.

Personally, I'd like to see the depth behind Will Allen, Sean Smith and Davis......on the field as little as possible. :wink2:

I think this situation requires an urgent response. The quicker you make it known to him that he WILL grow up or else, the better chance this guy reaches his potential.

Not to mention the quicker I can sleep at night without waking from nightmares of seeing Eric Allen on the wrong end of a ESPN highlight clip. Good lord is that guy bad....:sad:

Why is everyone so worried about him? He's a rookie who just played his first preseason game. Sure, he made some errors, but they will be corrected and he'll get better.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Why is everyone so worried about him? He's a rookie who just played his first preseason game. Sure, he made some errors, but they will be corrected and he'll get better.

People want perfection from all rookies the first time they step on the field.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Why is everyone so worried about him? He's a rookie who just played his first preseason game. Sure, he made some errors, but they will be corrected and he'll get better.

I didn't think anyone was worried? I thought they were simply discussing Davis' mistakes? That's what I was doing at least.....

"alen1 wrote:

I didn't think anyone was worried? I thought they were simply discussing Davis' mistakes? That's what I was doing at least.....

I don't know man. It's not just in this thread but since the game was played a lot of people seem to be in a state of panic over him.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I don't know man. It's not just in this thread but since the game was played a lot of people seem to be in a state of panic over him.

Some are even calling Vontae a "bust" after a single preseason game..

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I don't know man. It's not just in this thread but since the game was played a lot of people seem to be in a state of panic over him.

I think it's only those that thought he was going to be a stud right out of the gate. Most of those that watched him play in college realized his game had some obvious deficiencies. My highest expectation for him was that he would compete with Green or Jones for the #3 CB spot this season. That expectation hasn't changed.

I'm sorry but I actually was pleased with the way Vontae played. He stayed on the hip of the receiver on more than a few plays. He mad a few mental errors in what - the first preseason game of the year?!!!! OMG!!!! I wouldnt even be bothered if he did that next week. By the third week of the preseason I want him to play smarter. Right now I just want him to knock heads and cover, which he did pretty well on most plays. Lets also not forget that he played some of the game on a rain soaked field. I'm not worried. He looked damn good for his first game to me

"adamprez2003 wrote:

I'm sorry but I actually was pleased with the way Vontae played. He stayed on the hip of the receiver on more than a few plays. He mad a few mental errors in what - the first preseason game of the year?!!!! OMG!!!! I wouldnt even be bothered if he did that next week. By the third week of the preseason I want him to play smarter. Right now I just want him to knock heads and cover, which he did pretty well on most plays. Lets also not forget that he played some of the game on a rain soaked field. I'm not worried. He looked damn good for his first game to me

I don't think anybody should be pleased with a player getting three penalties against him in a game.

And unless you were there and focusing on him, I don't know how you could say he stayed on the hip of the defender. They only focused on him a for few plays when he was in coverage during the telecast. I can recall three plays that showed him in coverage.

One was that tip play caught by his guy. In the first replay he appeared to be with the WR, but the second replay showed he only caught up after the WR stopped.

The second was that flag route where Bowman over threw Underwood, but the camera showed that Davis was trailing by at least two steps.

The third was that screen that went for a TD but was called back. Davis seemed to be with his guy (it's hard to tell b/c we only saw the end) but then couldn't get of the WR's block.

Other than that he had two tackles and zero assists.

Which were the plays that you saw that pleased you?

I see Davis playing against our opponents slot receivers. IMO, he is perfect for that role. He can jam the receivers at the line, and still run with them.
I do expect many penalties against him this season, because like you guys said, he is over aggressive at times. But he is a rookie, and he'll learn. I'm sure Will Allen will teach him everything.

"rafael wrote:

I don't think anybody should be pleased with a player getting three penalties against him in a game.

And unless you were there and focusing on him, I don't know how you could say he stayed on the hip of the defender. They only focused on him a for few plays when he was in coverage during the telecast. I can recall three plays that showed him in coverage.

One was that tip play caught by his guy. In the first replay he appeared to be with the WR, but the second replay showed he only caught up after the WR stopped.

The second was that flag route where Bowman over threw Underwood, but the camera showed that Davis was trailing by at least two steps.

The third was that screen that went for a TD but was called back. Davis seemed to be with his guy (it's hard to tell b/c we only saw the end) but then couldn't get of the WR's block.
Other than that he had two tackles and zero assists.

Which were the plays that you saw that pleased you?

i saw more than 3 plays. i would have to see the game to point them out. dont have it on tape just saw a live stream. definitely saw him on the hip at least three plays and didnt see him get picked on too badly so i'll assume he had his man covered on quite a few more occasions

I think there is so much attention on him simply because we need a rookie to start at CB.

I worry that he will be like his brother. The physical potential will always be there but sometimes the mental part of the game never catches up.

Although I don't think he played well, I don't think its a big issue. He just needs to really focus and get comfortable. You can tell he has the talent to play the position.

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

I worry that he will be like his brother. The physical potential will always be there but sometimes the mental part of the game never catches up.

So what you're saying is that all we need to get this under control is to have Mike Singletary take his pants off in front of Vontae?

"rafael wrote:

I don't think anybody should be pleased with a player getting three penalties against him in a game.

And unless you were there and focusing on him, I don't know how you could say he stayed on the hip of the defender. They only focused on him a for few plays when he was in coverage during the telecast. I can recall three plays that showed him in coverage.

One was that tip play caught by his guy. In the first replay he appeared to be with the WR, but the second replay showed he only caught up after the WR stopped.

The second was that flag route where Bowman over threw Underwood, but the camera showed that Davis was trailing by at least two steps.

The third was that screen that went for a TD but was called back. Davis seemed to be with his guy (it's hard to tell b/c we only saw the end) but then couldn't get of the WR's block.

Other than that he had two tackles and zero assists.

Which were the plays that you saw that pleased you?

It's only the first pre-season game.

First Penalty - Fair catch interference - correctable
Second Penalty - Pass interference - he was way too early on the pass break up. Timed it wrong but he was in position. That can be adjusted with some time and getting use to game speed.
Third Penalty - He blocked a guy during a punt return while out of bounds. - correctable

He did get beat on a 25 yard post route by Williamson but he was there to make the tackle as it was caught. I couldn't see how he got beat on that post route.

He let a deflected ball get caught also by Williamson.

On that pass to Underwood he was NOT trailing. He was on his hip, looked for the ball in the air while still on his hip, saw that the QB was throwing it out of bounds due to tight coverage and so Davis pulled up. I watched this frame by frame.

On other occasions where he was visible he seemed to be tracking the WRs well.

He looked quite over zealous and not as immature as some might say. I think he was caught in the moment. Before too long he will be a very good pro.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

I'm sorry but I actually was pleased with the way Vontae played. He stayed on the hip of the receiver on more than a few plays. He mad a few mental errors in what - the first preseason game of the year?!!!! OMG!!!! I wouldnt even be bothered if he did that next week. By the third week of the preseason I want him to play smarter. Right now I just want him to knock heads and cover, which he did pretty well on most plays. Lets also not forget that he played some of the game on a rain soaked field. I'm not worried. He looked damn good for his first game to me

the truth is he had a miserable game, filled with rookie mistakes & very disappointing
however
what exasperated the problem is Smith came out like he owned the position which increased the scrutiny & criticism on Davis. Green was the the bust, he cant' have a poor training camp & preseason & stick with the roster of 53. a couple more repeats of last nights performance will result in Green cut, Jason in & Smith playing opposite Will Allen

as long as one of the rookie CB's step up to play this year, we can take our time to develop the other. by the way, I thought Jason Allen looked very good last night.