Very exciting article, Razor Lazor could be the read deal.

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  1. jw3102

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  2. jw3102

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    No, it's merely my opinion that Tannehill is not as effective in the pocket reading defensive coverage as the better QB's in the league are. Perhaps he will improve in the coming years, but this certainly wasn't one of his strengths in his first two seasons in the NFL. Pocket awareness was also a major area he needs to improve on, if he wants to be considered anything more than an average starting QB in the NFL.
     
  3. djphinfan

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    Thanks Wolf, that's what I thought..

    When Lazor corrected the reporter and told him it's not about running a no huddle, it's about huddling first, then breaking it, getting to the LOS, and dictating to them, no chance of waiting for them to set up their defense and adjust, why?, I don't see the reasoning to wait and adjust, I believe in this philosophy that Lazor and these other men including wolf are talking about.

    Take the adjustment at the LOS out of the game, unless the defense gets lucky.
     
  4. djphinfan

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    I don't think your getting the philosophy, did you read what Phinwolf wrote?
     
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    Its fair enough as your opinion but all analysis refutes it is all I'm saying.
     
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    It still all comes down to having an offense be good on its own merits before the high tempo/no huddle stuff becomes relevant. At that point, it creates an advantage. If you're not there, it can just as easy be a hindrance. Lightning fast three-and-out series pretty much just mean you're hanging the offense out to dry and lengthening the game.
     
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    Yes I read it and as I stated, I think these offensive ideas work great at the college level. In the NFL, it really doesn't matter what type of offense you run as much as how much talent you have on the offensive side of the ball.

    You obviously think this type offense will be effective with the Dolphins. I certainly hope you are right and I'm not saying it won't work. I just think that if you have quality talent at QB and throughout the offensive unit, you can be successful in the NFL, no matter what type of offense you run. If you don't have a quality QB, no offensive scheme will cover for that over the course of a season.

    The real question isn't what type of offense the Dolphins will run in 2014. The only real question is whether or not Tannehill can be successful in whatever offense he is running. Perhaps the offense being installed by Lazor will bring the best out of Tannehill and the rest of the offensive unit.

    As I have stated numerous times, I expect the offense to be improved this year, Lazor or no Lazor. It is Tannehill's third year as the starter and as you have stated, the OL has to be better than last year. The WR's and TE's have had a year to get used to playing with Tannehill. I also expect the RB position to be better with Moreno as the starter and Miller as his backup.

    My concern is now and has been since the end of last season, is the defense. I think it is very possible they could be a bottom 10 defense this coming season. Other than Grimes in the secondary and the defensive line, I don't see much talent on the rest of the defense. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
     
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    But we're not talking about no huddle?
     
  15. phinswolverinesrockets

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    When our offense scored 23 points last year, we were 6-1. Think about that. That's not even asking a lot. Last year, all we needed to do was be the 18th best scoring offense in the league instead of the 26th. We would have been an 11 or 12 win team based off the strength of our scoring defense. Why would anyone be worried about our defense? Everyone came back, for the most part.
     
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    Right up in there buddy.
     
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    Hell I'll be happy not letting defenses key off against the pass because we were consistently snapping the ball with 1 or 2 seconds on the clock. Snapping the ball with 5 seconds left on the clock............hell that would be a monumental change for this offense ;p
     
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  27. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Under Coyle, our scoring defense has been ranked 7th in 2012 and 8th in 2013.
    Before Coyle, our scoring defense was ranked 6th in 2011, 14th in 2010, and 25th in 2009.

    So, how is Coyle doing bad? Defense is all about giving up points. Our defense under Coyle have been Elite, especially when you consider how many 3-and-outs our offense puts up. Our defense is on the field more than any other Elite defense in the NFL the past 2 years because our offense can't stay on it, yet we still don't give up many points.
     
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    I NEVER said Colye is doing a bad job. I said I just don't think the players on the team this season are very good at the LB position or the secondary. I think if Coyle had the talent on the roster that many of the better defensive teams have, he would be seen as one of the top DC's in the NFL.

    The problem is not Coyle. It is the lack of talent on the roster at particular positions on defense which is the problem, IMO. I actually think Coyle has done a great job with what he has had to work with the past few years. Especially when you consider that he he really doesn't have a single player, (except perhaps Grimes), who is an impact player on defense in the LB or secondary positions.
     
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    What is going on with all the quoting getting mixed up with the names of the posters.?
     
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    If the first person messes up their quote every quote after that, involving that string of quotes gets messed up.
     
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    Test
     
  36. djphinfan

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    Guys y'all are quoting incorrectly or something.
     
  37. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Okay, i gotcha. So, let me ask you this...what if i told you that before coming here, Ellerbe was ranked as a top 15 ILB by PFF and Wheeler was ranked as a top 6 OLB by PFF. They were both great players the year before we signed them in free agency. Would you still say there isn't talent in the LB corp? Or, would you say it was just a bad evaluation of schematic fit? And, where does the blame go?
     
  38. djphinfan

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    I'm not sure why Ellerbe was put inside when he played next to ray Lewis.
     
  39. phinswolverinesrockets

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    In 2012, Darnelle Ellerbe was great for the Ravens. He graded out as PFF's 13th best ILB.
    In 2013, with the Phins, PFF ranks him as the 50th best ILB.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2014-03-03/sports/fl-dolphins-notes-0304-20140303_1_dannell-ellerbe-koa-misi-jelani-jenkins
     
  40. Disgustipate

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    It's the same deal, to a certain extent. Being fast tempo rather than no huddle makes it a bit more accessible(you're less worried about putting a package on the field that can do multiple things out of it so you can avoid substitutions), but it still has pitfalls if you suck at it.
     

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