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Unpopular Opinion - Brian Flores is boring.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fame, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Jmo here, I think this coach needs to see who’s gonna be his guys, he needs to see them play, how they play and react in live situations, the rebuild is about seeing that, ridding your team of the ones that don’t fit your script, and finding the ones that do, that’s gonna take a bit.p, this year about evaluation.
     
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  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Don’t know what your opinion of Flores is...not your opinion of Gase when he was hired but, and this is based on what you posted, Gase did the same thing...evaluated which players fit into his system. Remember the backlash Gase received trading Ajayi to the Eagles? Even though Ajayi racked up those 3 200 yard rushing games, he wasn’t adhering to Gases game plan and what happened? Our actual rushing yards increased after his trade.

    I just wonder if fans will be supportive when Flores trades his “Ajayi” to have the players in place that fits his system
     
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  3. Drizzy

    Drizzy Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ross is one of the 3 worst owners in the NFL.
     
  4. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Fans turned on Gase because he was an excuse making goofball.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I’ve been adamant that this town needs a coach that is a strict disciplinarian..I see those traits for sure, I see someone that demands respect and will be honest with his players..Someone who isn’t afraid to be on the field teaching his players the game.How far these attributes go we shall see, being a great communicator is the key right, I don’t know that at this point..

    Gase was and is not a head coach imo..The guy spent 0 time on the field during 5 training camp practices..he was off to the side talking to the guests who came to visit..

    That’s a fu##in joke..
     
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  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Im sorry, but thats a crazy exaggeration.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, I don’t mind the guy because he has deep pockets and the foresight to change our stadium into something cool.

    But he did hire two incompetent head coaches over 7 years.
     
  8. Brasfin

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    When I read about him not paying much attention to the practices last offseason, I felt the same way. Gase seems to value his “genius” schemes more than their actual execution.
     
  9. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Unpopular opinion: Jake Rudock is a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for.
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    All people are saying in regards to QB, is that we shouldn't repeat the same mistakes we made with Tannehill. If we don't fix the oline, it would appear to be heading down the same path as the last 10 years, which has been unsuccessful.
     
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  11. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Exactly. RT is going to be gone. We know that. So lets not put the next young QB into the exact same hole to begin with that RT had to deal with his entire time here!
     
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  12. KeyFin

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    The more I read from the team, the less I'm convinced he's actually gone. I think they put out feelers, didn't get any instant buyers and are now re-thinking their whole strategy. I do believe they're tanking next season but if the fans see it that way, then tickets/sales plummet and a lot of fans stop being fans. So the more I think about it, the more I think they need Tannehill one more season to bridge the gap.

    After all, if they announced Falk as the QB1 today, would you buy season tickets or order the Sunday ticket?
     
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  13. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this, I definitely would like for us to move on from Tannehill, but as I stated before unless you're replacing him with Jake Ruddock or Falk (in an effort to blatantly tank the season) I don't see the point. Replacing Tannehill with Tyrod Taylor or Bridgewater is pointless in my opinion unless Tannehill was a cancerous player in the locker room (which he wasn't). We have just as good of a chance if not better at winning games with him than we do with those guys. If the idea is to tank the season then I think we need to completely ignore the quarterback position all together. Let Falk and Ruddock be the starters for a year and lose 15 games so that we can get the number one pick.
     
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  14. cbrad

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    Ross doesn't seem to mind losing money short-term given what he's said about rebuilding, which btw is something admirable about Ross.

    Besides, IF you're going to rebuild you don't keep Tannehill around because of draft position in 2020, AND you will lose a lot of fans if you do keep Tannehill because it gives those fans no real hope you're serious about rebuilding.

    Draft position in 2020 matters (assuming we're aiming for a QB in the 2020 draft) which is why I'm fine with a no-name QB in 2019.
     
  15. Losferwords

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    Not sold on Flores but more concerned about Grier... dudes been the one constant while we have bumbled our way to mediocrity so naturally we give him the reigns.

    No one should be giving this team the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

    20 years of “the gang that can’t shoot straight” should preclude any fan for taking anything other than a “wait and see” approach.
     
  16. AGuyNamedAlex

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    The only thing that makes an owner good is the willingness to spend money.

    Most don't know a thing about football in terms of managing a team. The difference between your perception of good and bad is hiring the right football operations person...which for any owner is a crap shoot given they dont know football.
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    Personally, I feel the exact opposite- 2019 matters. Every season matters. And once you tell me that the Fins are almost definitely going to lose 13+ games, I'm already looking for a new team to root for next season. I can't seem to get behind my hometown Panthers, so maybe I'll be a Saints fan? Or whatever team Tannehill happens to land on? I really don't know, but I can't sit back and pretend I'll be loyal in 6 months when the owner is hinting we'll lose on purpose.

    And here's the thing about loyalty- I've been a Fins fan my entire life. But you force me to root for someone else and who knows how I'll feel in 2020. Miami in particular should be worried because South Florida is no longer my home- millions of us migrated north after Andrew and the Latin community replaced us. And guess what? Those migrant Spanish communities aren't hardcore football fans....they prefer baseball and soccer.

    Plain and simple, a move this arrogant and foolish could very well spell the beginning of the end of the Miami Dolphins organization. Loyalty has to go two ways and I'm just not feeling it. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ross just created hundreds of thousands of new Jets fans who essentially feel the same way I do about Gase.
     
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  18. cbrad

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    Not sure what you'll do, but NFL fans tend to stay loyal over time if you go by certain metrics.

    For example, look at Facebook fans of NFL teams in 2018:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/240028/facebook-fans-of-national-football-league-teams/

    The correlation between that and 2018 win% turns out to the a measly 0.19, suggesting that win% isn't that important for retaining fans in the short term. And if you compare Facebook fan "Likes" in 2012 to fans in 2018 you see that's true in the medium term too:
    https://deadspin.com/who-is-americas-favorite-nfl-team-facebook-data-offer-5980852

    By "Likes" the correlation is a whopping 0.90 (although note the misprint with the Dolphins "Likes" of all teams lol), and by rankings the correlation is still a whopping 0.867. In other words, fans tend to remain loyal in the NFL.

    So statistically speaking I wouldn't worry. Jags or Rams can have a great season or a bad season and they're still at the bottom of popularity while Dallas is still at the top despite mostly being an average or slightly above team, and.. no surprise, the Dolphins are average in terms of fans once again (lol what an "average" franchise we have!).

    EDIT: Just saw that the date on that 2018 site is September, 2018. So we need correlation to 2017 win%, and that's also a measly 0.17.
     
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  19. KeyFin

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    I don't know- there's a difference between a bad season (like Cleveland for multiple years) and a team losing on purpose. To me, it's basically on the same level as cheating...I just don't have the stomach for that and I'm pretty sure it violates league rules. After all, if the owner can tank, then why can't a player drop a couple of passes to collect some cash from the bookies?

    MLB banned a team for that- but we're supposed to be fans of it? I've heard from a lot of fans who feel differently
     
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  20. cbrad

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    I'm in the camp of almost having more respect if the team tanks on purpose assuming there's a clear plan to win the championship. I also follow the Astros and that's the best example in recent history of a team deliberately tanking for multiple seasons to stockpile on top draft picks, etc... to win the World Series, and I was real happy to see them do that. Why? Because there was purpose to it.

    To each his own, but tanking is quite common in other sports and you don't bleed fans forever if you end up building a strong team as a result. The sole question for me is whether Dolphins tanking leads to a SB win or not. If it fails, then tanking was a waste. But I'd actually welcome this for a change.. instead of the perpetual mediocrity where we're not good enough to win but too good to get a high draft pick.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    The owner never hinted we'd lose on purpose.

    There's a very wide gulf between rebuilding and losing on purpose.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    And this..

    “football world was focused on the NFL Combine last week in Indianapolis, about 30 players from the Miami Dolphins spent four days taking part in a different kind of combine.

    A combine about planning for what’s next, about making the right decisions and about the importance of finding the correct path once their football days are over.

    In Indianapolis it was about the present, here in South Florida it was about the future.

    Both carry with them enormous significance.

    For the third straight year, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross hosted a Dolphins Business Combine for his players. It was held last Monday through Thursday. The first two business combines took place in New York, this one at a variety of venues across South Florida. I was fortunate to be able to attend much of the combine. What I saw through those four days was a real commitment by this organization to do right for their players with one specific goal in mind: Help them successfully make that difficult transition when they take off that uniform for the final time.

    This in so many ways was an extraordinary week. So many areas of importance were emphasized. So many local businesses stepped up to offer their advice and expertise. There were some inspiring speakers, plenty of lessons to be learned, and you could see on the faces of the players how seriously they approached these sessions.

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    “Give the Dolphins plenty of credit for coming up with this idea,” said cornerback Xavien Howard. “As players, we know deep down we can’t play forever. This helps us prepare. This gives us great insight into some of the options we’ll have down the road.”

    Added former first-round pick Minkah Fitzpatrick: “We have to learn what the business world is all about. I want to be able to take care of my family long after my career is over. I want to make good decisions because they will impact many people. I just tried to soak everything in.”

    I can’t tell you how many times over the years I have covered players who lost everything they earned in football whether it was through bad investments, frivolous spending or uncertain career paths. There are sad stories everywhere. Many of them never surfaced. See, these players knew all about football game plans, but it was life’s game plan where they fell woefully short.

    Ross is determined to change that, to give his players every opportunity to prepare for a journey that doesn’t include packed stadiums and blinding spotlights. More than anything else, the Dolphins Business Combine was about planting seeds and hoping that someday they sprout into something beneficial.

    “Any organization works best when the people know that the head of the organization cares about them."Stephen Ross
    This, when you wrap it all up, was about caring.

    “Any organization works best when the people know that the head of the organization cares about them,” Ross said. “I thought it was incumbent on me and a responsibility that I had to show them the opportunities they can have when they finish their careers.

    “I think every team should do this and it is a very important initiative that all owners should follow.”

    Couldn't agree more. We often have a tendency to lose sight of the human beings inside the helmet. It’s so easy to place them on some gaudy pedestal and judge them by what they accomplish on a sun-splashed Sunday afternoon and nothing else. But these football careers, for the most part, are very short and these players will have the majority of their lives in front of them. Those years after football will ultimately help define who they are.

    “I want to be ready,” said running back Kenyan Drake. “You’re going to make mistakes along the way, but you want to make as few as them as you can. This type of learning experience will definitely help.”

    Day 1: Ross Welcomes the Players
    The four-day combine began last Monday morning in a room off the lobby of the Costa Hollywood Beach Resort. The 30 or so players in attendance represented every corner of this team from wise old veterans like Cam Wake and John Denney to promising twenty-somethings like Howard and Fitzpatrick. The room was packed, most of the players were dressed in their business best and many of them were taking careful notes.

    The event was coordinated by the team’s Player Engagement Department, led by Kaleb Thornhill and assisted by Yves Batoba and they deserve plenty of the credit for making it work.

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    “It’s all about helping these players long term,” said Thornhill. “As an organization, we feel like it is part of our responsibility.”

    Ross spent a few minutes talking to the players. “I hope I can help you guys when you’re no longer playing, how you win in life after,” Ross said.

    On Monday alone, the players received insight about growing a successful business from Warren Thompson of Thompson Hospitality; about the art of networking from Kurt Richardson, an NFL and NCAA consultant; about building strategies for making deals from Ken Shropshire of the Global Sports Institute at Arizona State University and about financial empowerment from Goldman Sachs. They ended the day with a tour of the American Airlines Arena from former Heat players Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning, who also shared their thoughts about life after playing pro sports.

    “For an owner to have this much pride in his team is phenomenal,” said Thompson, who has built a conglomerate of successful food franchises.

    Days 2-3: Exploring Deep Dives
    Tuesday and Wednesday were centered on what the team calls “Deep Dives.” The players were broken down into small groups and each group visited a different South Florida business or entity, learning how it operates, what the various roles and responsibilities are and the ingredients necessary to be successful.

    I was with the group on Tuesday visiting the Jason Taylor Foundation in Weston where the players got to learn about starting a non-profit organization, about the importance of giving back and about the path that Taylor embarked on to help show his gratitude to the South Florida community.

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    Kenny Stills, John Denney and Minkah Fitzpatrick listened to a presentation by the foundation’s Executive Director Seth Levit and you could tell they were embracing the possibilities of starting a foundation. Stills would be a natural as the team’s two-time nominee for NFL Man of the Year, Denney will be entering his 15th season and rarely misses a team charity event and Fitzpatrick, now entering his second year, clearly has some long-term aspirations in this area.

    The three players, and then another group of players on Wednesday, learned all about mission statements and fundraising and even about the importance of having the right board of directors.

    While this was going on, in a nearby building, several players were visiting The Ultimate Sports Institute and Fitness Center, hearing words of advice from former Dolphins’ running back Terry Kirby. Whether it was there or at some of the other businesses that contributed, the players gained some valuable insight.

    Day 4: Business Combine Blitz
    Then there was Dolphins Business Combine Blitz, a daylong event held last Thursday on the club level at Hard Rock Stadium where players were divided into six teams and were given an envelope early on that contained a business description. The challenge then for each team was organizing into roles related to that business in categories like operations, sales, marketing and finance.

    After that, it was about creating a presentation and practicing for the main event later in the day when each team got 4-6 minutes to present their business to the judges who then had three minutes to ask questions.

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    This was great stuff. There were funny moments like cornerback Bobby McCainpretending he was a little woozy to help pitch a new anti-hangover drink called “Hang.” There was running back Kenyan Drake and offensive lineman Issac Asiata coming up with some wild poses for a new camera app called “Clix.” There was Cam Wake pitching personalized cleats and defensive end Charles Harrisshowing us his lighter and more relaxed side in a presentation about an online training app.

    And there was even some serious moments that also spoke so much about the caring nature of these players: Tight end Durham Smythe, along with Xavien Howard, defensive tackle Vincent Taylor and quarterback Luke Falk, introduced “Spotlight” an app for men to help deal with stress reduction and crisis management while punter Matt Haackled a group pitching a company called "Rexharge," an app for athletes to deal with mental health assessment and treatment.

    It was clear by these presentations and by the way these players handled themselves, the way they responded to some challenging questions, that they fully embraced this process and its potential importance to their lives.

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    The judges? They included Dolphins Vice Chairman, President and CEO Tom Garfinkel, Matt Higgins co-founder of RSE Ventures and a Vice Chairman of the Dolphins; Jessica Goldman Srebnick, the CEO of Goldman Properties and, among many things, the vision behind Miami’s Wynwood Walls and former Dolphins great and Hall of Famer Jason Taylor.

    After some careful deliberation, the group that came up with “Spotlight” was the unanimous winner and even Higgins suggested that, with a little refining, he’d go to his checkbook for a company with that type of purpose and vision.

    “Actually I was blown away by the quality of all of the pitches,” Higgins said.

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    When the Dolphins Business Combine Blitz ended, the team hosted a networking event at the stadium where the players could mingle with some of the impressive people they had met during the business combine, no doubt trying to further build relationships that do not come with an expiration date.

    See in so many ways these four days were just the beginning, a brief taste of life after football, an introduction into of the complexities of the real world and some of the life-altering decisions these players will have to make.

    There are no guarantees. There never are. But at least now those players smart enough to attend the 2019 Dolphins Business Combine have a pretty good head start.”
     
  23. djphinfan

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    Give the guy a fu$$in break..
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No one is losing on purpose for Christ’s sake

    It’s a natural progression of the team, bad coach, bad roster decisions, Miss management, culture turnover to new coach, you should be freakin excited, not complaining
     
  25. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Unpopular opinion:

    Tannehill wasn't the same after his knee injury. I dont know if he ever would have made franchise QB material, probably not, but any escapability and mobility he had seemed to be entirely lost which compounded upon his biggest weakness.
     
  26. Fin-O

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    Unpopular as hell opinion.

    Jets will sign Leveon Bell and Gregg Williams will do wonders with that defense.........and the Jet's make the playoffs next year.........but we still shouldn't miss Adam Gase.
     
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  27. Drizzy

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    Ending your Dolphins fandom to hop on the bandwagon of Tannehill’s new team is as pathetic as it gets....you can’t be serious.
     
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  28. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    The "new(est)" logo still sucks *** from a straw, and always will. It looks like it should be a sea world alternate logo not that of a pro sports team. I will take my cartoon with a helmet all day over that hot mess. And the Cartoon dolphin with a helmet is corny I grant you. But nothing is as bad as that.. I still wonder if the creators understand the orange ring is supposed to the sun? I wonder if they could explain the dynamics of a swimming dolphin through a sun burst. Like did they even do their research? How many bad sketch artists do you have to get in one room to say "yep that's the one."
     
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  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Lol at the thought of the last logo looking like a pro team logo. Old logo is for a children's cartoon
    Not even good enough for a cruise line.
     
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  30. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    Do you mean the first old logo (as in the one in my av) or the old old logo? or the old old old logo? To me the logo has been going down hill since the beginning.

    This is the one it should have been.
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...llerbe-may-have-leaked-the-dolphins-new-logo/

    But as usual the Phins consistently disappoint. The Dolphins should let their fans vote next time.
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do like that logo in the link.

    Imo, the old logo could never have seem the light of day. It is a terrible design. I only think people like it because of nostalgia. That logo is bad on fiverr.

    The second logo is a better design though it still had the helmet and the M. It is like the Dolphin is playing for another team. It would be like if the coke logo was a coke drinking a drink with a big C.

    I like new logo because it looks like a dolphin. Doesn't have a stupid helmet with a different team's logo, and it is not jumping though a ring of fire like a SeaWorld logo.

    That is the complaint I understand the least. The cruise logo thing. The old logo looks way more cruise like. It is literally a dolphin having a good time.
    Isn't it cute? It thinks it's people.
     
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  32. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    I think it looks like a soulless dead Dolphin (especially in the eye,) and can't stand the idea of it swimming through a sun burst, presumably under water. The dynamic makes no logical sense. I was always in favor of the Dolphin being depicted as jumping out of the water in front of the sun(as it always had been.)

    But hey, this is the unpopular opinions thread. I'm glad we can both agree that the fan-made logo in the link looks good though. We can also agree the the helmet on the Dolphin is pretty goofy. This is why the organization should allow the fans to vote, and even submit their drawings. I guess I should say "should have" because I'll probably be a old man by the time they change again.

    In fact I would be for an entire overhaul, colors and all. I'd like to replace the aqua with blue, keep the (coral)orange accents and maybe add in some silver.
     
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  33. AGuyNamedAlex

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    If the Dolphin wore an accurate helmet logo it would be an infinite sequence of Dolphins wearing helmets though.
     
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