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Unofficial Trade Thread

Discussion in 'Trades' started by GridIronKing34, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin RIP Phinsational Luxury Box Club Member

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    That's not true.
     
  2. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin RIP Phinsational Luxury Box Club Member

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    I don't blame you.
     
  3. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Ohio State's gameplan was simple vs Oregon, take away his first read he notoriously struggled when teams had the talent and ability to do that which wasn't very often obviously. In the NFL he will rarely find himself NOT going through his progressions and his scheme will always be neutralized.

    That being said CKap got 100M with that same flaw, but it appears his progression has taken a step back...does MM have the ability to keep getting better? Who knows, I say at worst you are getting a CKAp, and at best something that will become the type of schematic headache that Michael Vick once was.
     
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  4. ToddPhin

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    Too bad his common sense IQ is on par with Manziel's.
     
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  5. NYGallday521

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    I think the only plus for Mariota is that he's extremely coachable and isn't going to be an idiot. He shouldn't be (although he might) a year one starter. He needs to sit and learn how to read through his progressions, read the defense, and stand in the pocket. If he doesn't and he tries to use his legs when everything breaks down, he isn't going to be much better than an RG3 or Kaepernick.
     
  6. NYGallday521

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    He's immature, whereas Manziel is a party animal who cares more about celebrity than football.
     
  7. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral Staff Member

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    I will say Winston interviews much better than Mariota.
     
  8. Bdogtitan11

    Bdogtitan11 New Member

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    Manziel is an addict. Jameis has displayed poor, decision making and poor impulse control. Those aren't fair to compare. Unless the major allegation against him is true. Then that's a completely different story
     
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  9. jackbanks12

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    Looking to move up in the draft by trading picks for picks. Have a bunch of late rounders if anyone is interested. I will be using trade value chart :up:
     
  10. Alex44

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    Pretty much this. I hate FSU. I don't even like Winston as a person due to his choices. That said, he's the best QB on the draft board and has all the tools including football IQ. Easy choice.

    He's also not a slouch athlete. He can run when he wants to.
     
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  11. finsbuck719

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    if anyone's got some late, expendable draft picks and are looking for some solid, veteran depth help let me know. I'm literally willing to move most of my veterans for next to nothing. I'll probably end up even moving multiple players in a package for just a 6th or 7th maybe. Check out my roster on my team page.
     
  12. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    In a few years if you're right we can come back to this. No sense arguing about it now. I'm pretty sure Mariota will be on someone's bench at that time though or on his last chance as a starter.
     
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  13. NYGallday521

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    I despise FSU with all my heat; Miami fan. But I gotta give the kid credit where its due.
     
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  14. Bdogtitan11

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    Yes, let's. :)
     
  15. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    So, I've been getting interest in Joe Haden. So, I'll field offers for him. I'm looking for strictly picks on this one. FTR, his salary is $11,700,000 ($12,800,000).
     
  16. Finfangirl

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    If the eagles move up to get Marcus, I think he'll be very much like Russell Wilson. A game manager. Chip Kelly will do wonders for his success. DON'T twist my words, he's not even on the same planet as Wilson, but he can be a pretty good game manager and his legs will allow him to get away with things other qbs can't.
     
  17. Alex44

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    I'm happy to say my offense is more or less complete finally. Of course there are a few minor players I may go after in FA but defense is the concern now.
     
  18. schisno

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    Schisno's Useless Statistics:
    Trading Quarterbacks 2012-2014​


    Since 2012 42 GML General Managers have been involved in trades involving Quarterbacks
    - 20 GMs have been involved in 2 or more Quarterback related trades
    - Only 5 GMs have traded QBs over multiple years (no more than 2 years), they include Sports24/7, Ricky Bobby, Van Dolphan, Nappy Roots, Bdogtitan

    The most likely GMs to be involved in Quarterback related trades are Sports24/7, Ricky Bobby, VanDolPhan
    - Sports24/7 has been involved in 6 Quarterback related trades total, 5 in 2014 (25% of the leagues QB Trades)
    - Ricky Bobby and VanDolPhan have been involved in 5 Quarterback related trades total, 4 in 2014 (20% of the leagues QB Trades)


    There have been a total of 41 Trades involving QBs in that time span
    - There were 20 Trades involving QBs in 2014
    - There were 15 Trades involving QBs in 2013
    - There were 6 Trades involving QBs in 2012
    - There have been a total of 34 Quarterbacks involved in those transactions


    The Most traded Quarterbacks?
    Michael Vick - Traded 4 times - Two trades included another QB in exchange (Josh Freeman, Matt Cassel)
    Peyton Manning - Traded 3 times - One trade included another QB in exchange (Matt Schaub)
    Matthew Stafford - Traded 3 times - All three trades included another QB in exchange (TJ Yates, Aaron Rodgers, John Skelton)

    Josh Feeman, TJ Yates and Cam Newton were all traded twice in trades acquiring another quarterback

    Robert Griffin III, Sam Bradford, Ryan Mallett, Philip Rivers, Matt Schaub were all traded twice, but only half their trades involved another quarterback

    Tom Brady and Tim Tebow are the only other QBs traded twice, but never in a trade involving another quarterback

    In Total, 14 Quarterbacks have been traded at least twice

    The #1 Overall pick has been involved twice in trades involving quarterbacks
    - QB TJ Yates has been packaged both times with the #1 Overall pick for either Sam Bradford or Matthew Stafford
    - Both QBs TJ Yates have been traded for have their last name ending in "ford"


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    Quarterback Values


    The following list is for quarterbacks who were acquired for a single draft selection:

    7th Round - Brandon Weeden (#204)
    6th Round - Terrelle Pryor, (#163), Tim Tebow (#173), Tyrod Taylor (#175)
    4th Round - Matt Barkley (#144)
    3rd Round - Kirk Cousins (#80)
    2nd Round - Jay Cutler (#44), Brock Osweiller (#50)
    1st Round - Tom Brady (#2), Peyton Manning (#5)


    Is Robert Griffin III (2014) more valuable than Peyton Manning who lost a Superbowl (2014)?
    - Peyton Manning was acquired by Oakland (Magnolia Fan) for #5 Overall - Trade Value Chart (TVC) = 1,700 points
    - Robert Griffin III was acquired by Cleveland (Sports24/7) for #4 Overall and #83 Overall - TVC = 1,975 points (1,800 + 175)



    The Tebow stocks goes down!
    - Tim Tebow (2013) was worth 22.2 TVC Points
    - Tim Tebow (2012) was worth an estimated 520 TVC points which equaled pick #38 of Round 2
    - Tim Tebow lost an estimated 4 round value in one offseason

    Denver (PSG) sends:
    #25 (720 TVC), #199 (11.8 TVC), Elvis Dumervil, Tim Tebow

    Cleveland (Vengeful Odin) sends:
    Chris Gocong, #4 (1,800 TVC), #60 (300 TVC)



    What is Case Keenum's value? A study in the value of a 3rd string QB:
    2014 - Green Bay (Finfangirl) acquired Keenum with picks #42 (480 TVC), #79 (195 TVC), #100 (100 TVC) for #21 (800 TVC) from Houston (VanDolPhan)
    - The left over TVC value equals 25 points which nets her #166 Overall (RD 6 - Pick 6)
    - Which means she is just short of a Terrell Pryor


    Hall of Fame Stock Watch

    Peyton Manning TVC in 2014 = 1,700 points (#5 Overall)
    Peyton Manning TVC in 2012 = 520 points + WR Jarrett Dillard (What is a Dillard?)
    - An increase of 1,180 points or #13 Overall

    Based on these estimates we'd give Peyton Manning (2015) a current estimated value of 700 TVC Points or #26 Overall

    Tom Brady (2013) was worth 2,600 TVC Points (#2)
    Tom Brady (2012) was worth 1,600 TVC Points (#6)
    - Tom Brady and Danny Woodhead was acquired for #6 Overall, Roy Helu, Brian Orakpo, DeAngelo Hall

    Based on these estimates we'd give Tom Brady (2015) a 1,300 TVC (#10 Overall)


    If you would like us to track down the value of any specific players please feel free to ask, and remember to subscribe to Schisno's GML Analytics for only $9.95
     
  19. 305

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    Go away.. 'batin.
    Was thinking this same thing.... Winston needs to get away from Florida though
     
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  20. schisno

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    Schisno Presents All QB Related Trades 2012-2014​


    2014

    1)
    Chicago Bears (Ricky Bobby) sends:
    OG Matt Slausaon $2,747,500
    RD 3 - #82

    Cleveland Browns (Sports24/7) sends:
    DT Desmond Bryant $4,000,000
    QB Brian Hoyer $1,250,000

    2)
    Chicago Bears (Ricky Bobby) sends:
    RD 6 - #175

    Ravens (Seabass0795) sends:
    QB Tyrod Taylor $671,327


    3)
    St Louis Rams (Fin-Omenal) sends:
    QB Sam Bradford $17,610,000
    RD 1 - #31
    RD2 - #44
    RD3 - #95
    RD6 - #172

    Texans Send (VanDolPhan)
    CB Jason McCourty $8,300,000
    QB TJ Yates $691,250
    RD 1 - #1


    4)
    San Francisco 49ers (MonstBlitz)sends:
    QB Colin Kaepernick $1,630,457
    RB LaMichael James $905,154

    Philadelphia Eagles (UCFinfan86) sends:
    QB Nick Foles $770,880
    S Patrick Chung $3,250,000
    RD 5 - #150





    5)
    Philadelphia Eagles (UCFinfan86) sends:
    QB Matt Barkley $644,257

    Cincinnati Bengals (RoninFin4) sends:
    RD 4 - #119


    6)
    Detroit Lions (phinator) send
    QB Matt Stafford $15,820,000
    OGLarry Warford
    C Dominic Raola
    DE Ezekiel Ansah
    DT Suh
    RD 2 - #45

    St Louis Rams (Fin-Omenal) sends:
    QB TJ Yates
    WR Stedman Bailey
    DT Kendall Langford
    LB James Lauranitis
    RD 1 - #1 overall
    RD 1 - #2 overall


    7)
    Tennessee Titans (Alex44) sends:
    QB Jake Locker $4,004,637
    RD 6 - #172

    Cleveland Browns (Sports 24/7) sends:
    OG John Greco $2,430,000


    8)
    Chicago Bears (Ricky Bobby) sends:
    QB Jay Cutler $22,500,000

    Houston Texans (VanDolPhan) sends:
    RD 2 - #44


    9)
    Washington Redskins (PhinishLine) sends:
    QB Robert Griffin III $5,759,754

    Cleveland sends: (Sports24/7)
    RD 1 - #4
    RD 3 - #83


    10)
    Detroit Lions (Phinator) sends:
    RD 7 - #204

    Cleveland Browns (Sports24/7) sends:
    QB Brandon Weeden $2,204,617


    11)
    Carolina Panthers (thatswhatshesaid) sends:
    QB Cam Newton $7,008,113
    LB Luke Kuechly $3,430,528

    Cleveland Browns (Sports24/7) send:
    QB Robert Griffin III $5,759,754
    OT Mitchell Schwartz $1,410,229
    DT Phillip Taylor $2,575,125
    LB Barkevious Mingo $3,715,228
    RD 1 - #30
    RD 2 - #35
    RD 6 - #172


    12)
    Houston Texans (VanDolPhan) sends:
    Sam Bradford $17,610,000

    Baltimore Ravens (Seabass0795) sends:
    RD 3 - #79
    RD 7 - #197


    13)
    New England Patriots (Steve-Mo) sends:
    QB Ryan Mallett, $937,945
    WR Danny Amendola, $4,575,000
    DT Vince Wilfork, $11,600,000
    RD 1 - #29

    Detroit Lions (phinator) sends:
    DT Jason Jones, $3,683,333
    RD 1 - #11
    RD 3 - #76


    14)
    St Louis Rams (Fin-Omenal) sends:
    QB Matthew Stafford $15,820,000
    RB Zac Stacy $539,125
    WR Alshon Jeffery $1,240,317
    OG Brandon Washington $575,575
    CB Janoris Jenkins $1,360,996

    Green Bay Packers (Finfangirl) sends:

    QB Aaron Rodgers $17,900,000
    RB Eddie Lacy $771,003
    WR Jarrett Boykin $570,000
    OG Josh Sitton $6,400,000
    CB Tramon Williams $9,500,000
    RD3 - #65



    15)
    Green Bay Packers (Finfangirl) sends:
    RD 1 - #21

    Houston Texans (VanDolPhan) sends:
    QB Case Keenum $495,000
    RD 2 - #42
    RD 3 - #79
    RD 4 - #100


    16)
    Dallas Cowboys (Sean) sends:
    QB Tony Romo $21,773,000

    Minnesota Vikings (PSG) sends:
    S Harrison Smith $1,946,876
    RD 7 - #200




    17)
    Denver Broncos (Finfan7273) sends:
    QB Peyton Manning $17,500,000

    Oakland Raiders (Magnolia Fan) sends:
    RD 1 - #5


    18)
    Oakland Raiders (Magnolia Fan) sends:
    QB Terrelle Pryor $851,517

    Jacksonville Jaguars (Nappy Roots) sends:
    RD 6 #163



    19)
    New York Giants (RPG Giants) send:
    QB Ryan Nassib $608,400
    RD 4 - #109

    Jacksonville Jaguars (Nappy Roots) send:
    DT Sen'Derrick Marks 44,225,000
    CB Demitrius McCray $511,741
    RD 7 - #224


    20)
    New York Jets (BuckeyeKing) sends:
    QB Stephen Morris

    Dallas Cowboys (Sean) sends:
    RD 7 - #221


    2013

    1)
    Buffalo Bills (VanDolPhan) sends:
    Stevie Johnson WR $5,650,000
    Fred Jackson RB $3,643,750
    RD 2 - #45

    San Diego Chargers (Ricky Bobby) sends:
    Philip Rivers $17,110,000
    RD 3 - #78

    2)
    New York Jets (schisno) sends:
    QB Tim Tebow $2,586,875

    Tampa Bay (Teflon John) sends:
    RD 6 - #173


    3)
    Jacksonville Jaguars (BDogtitan) sends:
    RD 1 - #2

    New England Patriots (Ophinerated)
    QB Tom Brady $21,800,000


    4)
    Philadelphia Eagles (305) sends:
    QB Mike Vick $16,900,000
    WR DeSean Jackson $9,000,000
    LB DeMeco Ryans $8,062,500
    DT Mike Patterson $3,000,000
    RD 3 - #69

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Teflon John) sends:
    QB Josh Freeman $9,760,000
    WR Mike Williams $720,750
    DT Gerald McCoy $10,916,250
    CB Eric Wright CB $7,750,000
    RD 4 - #125

    5)
    Philadelphia Eagles (305) sends:
    QB Josh Freeman $9,760,000
    WR Jeremy Maclin $4,203,000
    RD 1 - #4

    Carolina Panthers (SICK) sends:
    QB Cam Newton $6,006,818
    WR Brandon LaFell $1,554,600
    RD 2 - #45


    6)
    Arizona Cardinals (BuckeyeKing) sends:
    QB John Skelton $675,412
    DT Dan Williams $2,255,000,
    LB Sam Acho $673,607
    RD 1 - #7

    Detroit Lions (Duss) sends:
    QB Mathew Stafford $21,227,083
    RD 3 - #67


    7)
    Denver Broncos (Sean) sends: (Sean – Sports)
    QB Peyton Manning $20,000,000
    TE Jacob Tamme $3,125,000
    RD 3 - #95

    Houston Texans (Sports 24/7) sends:
    QB Matt Schaub $10,750,000
    TE Owen Daniels $5,750,000
    CB Kareem Jackson $2,240,000
    RD 4 - #124
    RD 7 - #219


    8)
    Washington Redskins (String Bell) sends:
    QB Kirk Cousins $598,172

    St Louis Rams (Paul 13) sends:
    RD 3 - #80


    9)
    New York Jets (schisno) sends:
    WR Santonio Holmes
    RD 6 - #173

    Jacksonville Jaguars (bdogtitan) sends:
    QB Blaine Gabbert.


    10)
    Denver Broncos (Sean) sends:
    QB Brock Osweiler $729,396

    Pittsburgh Steelers (JMPhin) sends:
    RD 2 - #50


    11)
    Kansas City Chiefs (Tractor Traylor) sends:
    RD 1 - #1
    RD 5 - #129

    Pittsburgh Steelers (JMPhin) sends:
    QB Ben Roethlisberger $20,595,000
    CB Ike Taylor $9,454,166
    RD 1 - #17

    12)
    San Diego Chargers (Ricky Bobby) sends:
    WR Stevie Johnson $5,650,000
    LB Melvin Ingram $1,908,690
    S Brandon Taylor $640,969
    RD 2 - #35
    RD 2 - #42
    RD 4 - #128

    San Fransciso 49ers (Wakeupitsfootball)
    QB Colin Kaepernick $1,297,535
    RD 7 - #220


    13)
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Teflon John) sends:
    QB Mike Vick $16,900,000.00
    RB Doug Martin $1,542,620.00
    S Major Wright $1,492,825.00

    Jacksonville Jaguars (UCF Finatic) sends:
    S Adrian Wilson $4,625,000
    RD 2 - #33
    RD 3 - #66
    RD 4 - #97



    14)
    Jacksonville Jaguars (UCF Finatic) sends:
    QB Michael Vick $16,900,000
    RD 3 - #74

    Baltimore Ravens (Silverphins) sends:
    RD 2 - #48

    15)
    New York Jets (schisno) sends:
    RD 1 - #27
    RD 2 - #40
    RD 3 - #96

    Baltimore Ravens (Silverphins) sends:
    QB Joe Flacco $19,236,000 (Exclusive Franchised Player)




    2012

    1)
    Indianapolis Colts (GridIronKing34) sends:
    QB Peyton Manning $7,000,000.00

    Jacksonville Jaguars (BDogtitan) sends:
    WR Jarrett Dillard $565,000.00
    RD 2 - #38


    2)
    Seattle Seahawks (Nappy Roots) sends:
    WR Mike Williams $3,000,000
    WR Golden Tate $490,000
    DT Alan Branch $3,000,000

    Houston Texans (Big E) sends:
    QB Matt Schaub $7,150,000
    RB Ben Tate $490,000



    3)
    Washington Redskins (Anonymous)
    RB Roy Helu $465,000
    LB Brian Orakpo $765,000
    CB Deangelo Hall $6,000,000
    RD 1 - #6

    New England Patriots (Skeet84) sends:
    QB Tom Brady $5,750,000
    RB Danny Woodhead $700,000


    4)
    San Diego Chargers (Devilfin13) sends:
    QB Phillip Rviers $10,200,000
    RD 4th - #111

    New England Patriots (Skeet84) sends:
    QB Ryan Mallet $508,992
    RD 1 - #27
    RD 1 - #31
    RD 2 - #48


    5)
    Cleveland Browns (Vengeful Odin) sends:
    LB Chris Gocong $3,700,000
    RD 1 - #4
    RD 2 - #60


    Denver Broncos (PSG) sends:
    QB Tim Tebow $1,942,500
    DE Elvis Dumervil $14,000,000
    RD 1 - #25
    RD 7 - #199


    6)
    Philadelphia Eagles (SICK) sends:
    QB Michael Vick 12,500,000
    RD 1 - #7

    Kansas City (Tractor Traylor) sends:
    QB Matt Cassel $5,250,000
    S Eric Berry $3,900,000
    RD 2 - #44
    RD 3 - #75
     
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  21. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    hey, IIRC, I draft Pryor to be a WR not a QB.
     
  22. Bdogtitan11

    Bdogtitan11 New Member

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    Interesting to see frequency of QBs traded increase each year.
     
  23. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    some more blockbuster deals.

    Just wheelin and dealin, stockpiling picks and cutting salary here and there.
     
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  24. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    I expect it to be lower, and level out with dead money. Probably average around 6-10 for the foreseeable future.
     
  25. Bdogtitan11

    Bdogtitan11 New Member

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    I was involved in 2 myself. Lions and Raiders flipped QBs. Not sure if any others, so i guess it's leveling out.
     
  26. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    There were probably more high profile QBs getting moved this year, last year what you saw happen was a starter was acquired or traded and then the previous incumbent or backup moved. That happened on a good 25% of QB trades. I don't really see much more movement ahead unless someone just fell in love with one of these QBs and decides to try and move up in the draft.
     
  27. VanDolPhan

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    Yah I still hate that original Bradford trade. That was me panicking just to find any QB.

    As far as Case Keenum that's just FFG's way of always trying to wring out that last drop of the trade washcloth. If not a backup......her love of 7th rounders :trytofly:

    I think the proudest one I had was the first. I knew Rivers still had something in him...Luckily he proved me right and it ended up being the perfect time to trade ole Stevie.
     
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  28. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    Exactly. I cant stand the Criminoles or Semenholes or whatever you wanna call em but damn if that kid isnt good.


    On a different note Rakeem Cato, Brett Hundley and Bryce Petty are all better QBs then Marriota. Marriota may have intangibles but hes just not a very pro ready qb imo
     
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  29. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Wow, that's a ballsy statement...Cato nor Hundley are close to pro ready?? Did Frank Lucas start selling herion in NY again???
     
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  30. Bdogtitan11

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    I actually thought Mariota looked really good today. 2nd best QB out there behind Winston, although the gap was pretty big. And that's throwing around in shorts.

    Petty has an fing cannon though. Much better arm than I thought.
     
  31. NYGallday521

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    Watched the Senior bowl, Petty (and every other QB there) looked like ****. I rather have Mariota than Petty. He's another scheme QB.
     
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  32. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Petty is a joke imo.
     
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  33. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    He's your QB, or turn out to be the one you should have taken :shifty:
     
  34. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    Not a ringing endorsement for the future Titans starter...
     
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  35. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Pete has a better chance of being a male stripper than Petty a Titan
     
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  36. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Well now that's a petty statement. :rimshot:
     
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    I've been outed!
     
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  38. Boik14

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    They may not be close to ready in your opinion but I have a 4th round grade on Marriota anyway. Only way he does anything in the pros is if Kelly gets him in Philly
     
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  40. Boik14

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    Not really.
     

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