Tua's Best Plays

Fingers crossed that the apparent huge gulf in passing ability between Tua and Herbert closes some this coming year. Those were his best plays and.....yeesh. His physical ability doesn't look much better than Fitz, who's 15 years his senior. I'm really worried that at his best, he's a Chad Pennington type.

I don’t really read too much into highlight reels, except for what doesn't show up. What was a little disconcerting for me was that about 1:15 of a 3:20 video was all about the Arizona game. I get that your best game will be disproportionally large in a highlight reel, but when it’s roughly 1/10th of your season but 1/3rd of the highlight reel I get a little anxious.

Tua will never be more than a game manager.

"Pauly wrote:

I don’t really read too much into highlight reels, except for what doesn't show up. What was a little disconcerting for me was that about 1:15 of a 3:20 video was all about the Arizona game. I get that your best game will be disproportionally large in a highlight reel, but when it’s roughly 1/10th of your season but 1/3rd of the highlight reel I get a little anxious.

Not only that, but many of those plays were "seat of the pants/pulled out of the rear end" variety. Almost none of them looked easy or that they were based on his arm or touch.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Fingers crossed that the apparent huge gulf in passing ability between Tua and Herbert closes some this coming year. Those were his best plays and.....yeesh. His physical ability doesn't look much better than Fitz, who's 15 years his senior. I'm really worried that at his best, he's a Chad Pennington type.

"Team Rosen" is really fitting for your football evaluation.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

"Team Rosen" is really fitting for your football evaluation.

I love Josh. Really hoping he'll get a chance with Shanahan in SF. Best offense in the NFL, and I think he's a perfect fit.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Tua will never be more than a GameStop manager.

That's harsh man!

:chuckle:

Yep that is harsh over Gamestop thing. Give the kid time and a chance.

"JPPT1974 wrote:

Yep that is harsh over Gamestop thing. Give the kid time and a chance.

It's not up to me to give him a chance, that's on the front office and the coach. I'm telling you what my judgement is as of now. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see anything in his build, his throwing motion or his arm strength that says to me that he can be a dynamic, big-play QB who can carry an offense on his back.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong

Yes.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Tua will never be more than a game manager.

You got good odds of being right, but if he holds up I think he‘ll be fine.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Yes.

I don't see how you can be so sure of that. All the evidence points to him not being a game-changer. You can have faith all you want, but people had faith in Jay Fiedler, too.

"JJ_79 wrote:

You got good odds of being right, but if he holds up I think he‘ll be fine.

I think Brian Flores is capable of winning in this league with a game manager. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't be better off with someone more dynamic.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I don't see how you can be so sure of that. All the evidence points to him not being a game-changer. You can have faith all you want, but people had faith in Jay Fiedler, too.

Hey coach, watch the Arizona game again and tell me he can't ever be a game changer in this league.

Let's give him more than 9 games maybe.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I think Brian Flores is capable of winning in this league with a game manager. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't be better off with someone more dynamic.

You’re free to judge him now, but I think it‘s a little unfair after him coming of a almost career ending injury and no real preparation for the season. If he doesn’t have more Arizona games next year, then we probably need someone new, that’s if we don’t trade for Watson.

I'm not that concerned with more Arizona games where he & the team scrape and claw to make things work. I want a lot more games where things look a whole lot easier than they did last season and the offense is on schedule, moving up and down the field, gaining first downs and making Red Zone visits. Everything last year just looked so, so hard for our offense compared to the average NFL team. When things worked, it was barely so most games.

So first, I need to see Tua and the offense do regular, normal, repeatable things week after week and look like a typical NFL team does. It doesn't need to be special or beautiful. Once they can get that down, I'll worry about the next step. If he looks like he's still fighting to get to that point at the end of next season, then that would probably be it for me in my personal hopes for him.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I'm not that concerned with more Arizona games where he & the team scrape and claw to make things work. I want a lot more games where things look a whole lot easier than they did last season and the offense is on schedule, moving up and down the field, gaining first downs and making Red Zone visits. Everything last year just looked so, so hard for our offense compared to the average NFL team. When things worked, it was barely so most games.

So first, I need to see Tua and the offense do regular, normal, repeatable things week after week and look like a typical NFL team does. It doesn't need to be special or beautiful. Once they can get that down, I'll worry about the next step. If he looks like he's still fighting to get to that point at the end of next season, then that would probably be it for me in my personal hopes for him.

That’s not solely on Tua then. That would be nice, to see that the Offense as a whole improves and it should. For me the Arizona game was Tuas best, just fom an individual standpoint and if we see that guy most of the season next year, I would think that we have our franchise QB.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I'm not that concerned with more Arizona games where he & the team scrape and claw to make things work. I want a lot more games where things look a whole lot easier than they did last season and the offense is on schedule, moving up and down the field, gaining first downs and making Red Zone visits. Everything last year just looked so, so hard for our offense compared to the average NFL team. When things worked, it was barely so most games.

So first, I need to see Tua and the offense do regular, normal, repeatable things week after week and look like a typical NFL team does. It doesn't need to be special or beautiful. Once they can get that down, I'll worry about the next step. If he looks like he's still fighting to get to that point at the end of next season, then that would probably be it for me in my personal hopes for him.

When people talk about Fitz's game was better, he had to make spectacular throws get people "open" many times. This is what they point out. You are right that the offense didn't look easy.....when either of them were in there. That says to me that the talent is lacking. It might be the QB, or the WR/TE's or a combo of both.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Hey coach, watch the Arizona game again and tell me he can't ever be a game changer in this league.

Let's give him more than 9 games maybe.

Lol!Blah Blah cardinals game.Sick of hearing about it.2 tds 248 yds against an 8- 8 team Big fucking deal!

"Finatik wrote:

When people talk about Fitz's game was better, he had to make spectacular throws get people "open" many times. This is what they point out. You are right that the offense didn't look easy.....when either of them were in there. That says to me that the talent is lacking. It might be the QB, or the WR/TE's or a combo of both.

Well, my intent is not to prop up Fitz. However, the offense looked a lot better early in the year prior to the Rams game with him at QB, in part because he was just doing a good job of seeing who was open and taking that option, no matter how short or deep it was. And for the first five and a half games, I was really pleased that the offense was staying within themselves and looked like a normal NFL team.

That's what I want Tua to be able to do next. Just the same as Week 1 through 5 last season. Show me that he can keep hitting the open man, take the check down when necessary, move the chains, and effectively help the offense own the ball and time of possession. Make each drive productive, minimize three and outs. If we can get there, then we can talk about the next step.

"pumpdogs wrote:

Lol!Blah Blah cardinals game.Sick of hearing about it.2 tds 248 yds against an 8- 8 team Big ****ing deal!

They were 5-2 at the time and Murray was playing MVP caliber football and Tua kept pace with him.

He also ran for a couple of big first downs on third down and made Budda Baker look like a clown.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

They were 5-2 at the time and Murray was playing MVP caliber football and Tua kept pace with him.

He also ran for a couple of big first downs on third down and made Budda Baker look like a clown.

Doesn't matter they ended up 8-8.

I just don't understand these types of topics. Tua basically played half a season coming off serious injury with no off-season prep and no training camp. Comparing him to Herbert or Burrow is silly at this point since they took such different paths into the league. Anyone who expected him to be lights-out last season had unrealistic expectations....Flores made that clear from day 1.

Personally, I was super-high on Burrow but we have no idea what type of QB he'll be next season. Herbert looked great on a 7-win team so it's too soon to crown him either. The truth of the matter is that we have no idea on all three QB's careers.

"KeyFin wrote:

I just don't understand these types of topics. Tua basically played half a season coming off serious injury with no off-season prep and no training camp. Comparing him to Herbert or Burrow is silly at this point since they took such different paths into the league. Anyone who expected him to be lights-out last season had unrealistic expectations....Flores made that clear from day 1.

Personally, I was super-high on Burrow but we have no idea what type of QB he'll be next season. Herbert looked great on a 7-win team so it's too soon to crown him either. The truth of the matter is that we have no idea on all three QB's careers.

I get what your saying about people saying he should be lights but I have a problem with people saying he was lights out.Case in point the Cardinals game.An average game in today's Nfl against an average team.
Maybe he gets better maybe he doesn't only time will tell if he achieve a franchise level.Right now not even close.