Tua's Agent Dropping Miami Hints? Or Nah?

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

That wasnt his point at all.

His point is QB is probably the most important position, even if a QB cant win alone, and for that reason its imperative to try and acquire talent when its available.

He obviously likes Tua, he isnt saying just take any QB at #5.

Is Tua the best player with that pick though? Ask yourself that

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Is Tua the best player with that pick though? Ask yourself that

Probably not. But are we going BPA or need? I think they're going need.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I wanted Matt Ryan when we drafted Jake Long. I’d love to take a QB this year and figured we would be this year until we started winning and Tua got injured. I’ve liked Burrow over Tua for awhile now. It’s got nothing to do with Alabama or anything other than I just don’t want to take a QB coming off a major hip injury with our #5 pick. I’d be happy to take him with one of our other first round picks.

I would too but there is no way Tua will last to #18. I think he will go in the top 10 for sure.

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Is Tua the best player with that pick though? Ask yourself that

At #5? Yes. Easily.

Is he the safest? No. Any QB is a risk, one with a fairly major injury even moreso. But the potential and upside at THE premier position that Tua represents makes him by far the best value.

"tirty8 wrote:

That does not bode well for Chris Grier. Ross wanted Lamar Jackson. After watching the Ravens, this has to be in the back of his mind. Whether or not it was even possible to know it ahead of time, we ultimately picked a guy that did not want to be here. I would think it wise for Frier to not make the same mistake twice.

You mean the Lamar Jackson who just got knocked out of the playoffs by our 6-year starter Ryan Tannehill? I bet Ross was throwing an absolute tantrum watching that game and thinking about how inept his staff was at evaluating quarterbacks.

"KeyFin wrote:

You mean the Lamar Jackson who just got knocked out of the playoffs by our 6-year starter Ryan Tannehill? I bet Ross was throwing an absolute tantrum watching that game and thinking about how inept his staff was at evaluating quarterbacks.

Well, Ross has already handed them the keys to the kingdom, so he can only hope it works out with all the picks and cap space. I'd have to think that Ross has some doubts creeping in though.

"Fin D wrote:

Tua is a cross between Steve Young and Drew Brees. If people are complaining about his height, then their opinions on football should be discounted going forward.

The question is not about his talent, he is a top 5 talent. The question is his injury history. Multiple injuries with the last hip injury being a very serious one. There is no history of a football player ever coming back from that type of hip injury and playing at a high level. Bo Jackson's hip injury was actually less traumatic (partial dislocation vs. Complete dislocation) than Tua's and Bo wasnt even able to play baseball again at a high level let alone a contact sport like football.

I would not draft tua at all.

"texanphinatic wrote:

At #5? Yes. Easily.

Is he the safest? No. Any QB is a risk, one with a fairly major injury even moreso. But the potential and upside at THE premier position that Tua represents makes him by far the best value.

Fairly minor injury? When have you ever heard of a high level football player coming back from a hip dislocation?

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Is Tua the best player with that pick though? Ask yourself that

No, not with that hip injury he is not. I would actually lile us to tradd down from number 5 and nab some more 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Hard for me to believe that Tua's camp is crossing their fingers and pretty much preparing to be the.........Wait..........the......#5 overall pick?

C'mon man. This dude was the consensus #1 pick coming into the year, now Im to believe he is salivating and promoting to go at 5?

Sounds like some national enquirer type stuff.

"Fin-O wrote:

Hard for me to believe that Tua's camp is crossing their fingers and pretty much preparing to be the.........Wait..........the......#5 overall pick?

C'mon man. This dude was the consensus #1 pick coming into the year, now Im to believe he is salivating and promoting to go at 5?

Sounds like some national enquirer type stuff.

Did you hear he dislocate his hip and fractured his hip socket? Players dont just come back from that type of injury.

I would not draft tua at all. Maybe in the 6th or 7th round id take a chance on him. But definitely not on day 1.

"hitman8 wrote:

The question is not about his talent, he is a top 5 talent. The question is his injury history. Multiple injuries with the last hip injury being a very serious one. There is no history of a football player ever coming back from that type of hip injury and playing at a high level. Bo Jackson's hip injury was actually less traumatic (partial dislocation vs. Complete dislocation) than Tua's and Bo wasnt even able to play baseball again at a high level let alone a contact sport like football.

I would not draft tua at all.

Let me say this again, his height of 6’1” was brought up as if it was an issue. It is not. It is not the reason he was injured and it is not a hindrance to his play in anyway.

"hitman8 wrote:

Fairly minor injury? When have you ever heard of a high level football player coming back from a hip dislocation?

Does we know the injury in details though? How serious was it????

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Jordan Love would have to have a hell of a combine to go in the top 5.

More like senior bowl showing. But don’t rule it out. It’s the closest thing to Mahomes the leagues seen skill set wise and nfl decision makers are gonna put weight in it

"Hoops wrote:

More like senior bowl showing. But don’t rule it out. It’s the closest thing to Mahomes the leagues seen skill set wise and nfl decision makers are gonna put weight in it

I watched Love play some this year. He ain't no Patrick Mahomes.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I watched Love play some this year. He ain't no Patrick Mahomes.

I would take Jalen Hurt over love.

Hitman8. What school did you get your medical degree from?

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Hitman8. What school did you get your medical degree from?

Doctor's analysis. Tua had a complete dislocation with an aditional fracture of the hip socket. Bo was only a partial dislocation. Bo wasnt even able to play baseball at a high level again. Tua will have to stand up to continued contact and punishment as an NFL QB. If he could'nt stay healthy in college with a pretty good oline what makes you think he will stay healthy in the NFL after a major hip injury and with a probable mediocre oline in Miami?

I would not touch Tua with a ten foot pole in this draft.

"hitman8 wrote:

Doctor's analysis. Tua had a complete dislocation with an aditional fracture of the hip socket. Bo was only a partial dislocation. Bo wasnt even able to play baseball at a high level again. Tua will have to stand up to continued contact and punishment as an NFL QB. If he could'nt stay healthy in vollege with a pretty good oline what makes you think he will stay healthy im the NFL after a major hip injury and with a probable mediocre oline in Miami?

I would not touch Tua with a ten foot pole in this draft.

He pretty will have to learn how to walk again.....

"hitman8 wrote:

Doctor's analysis. Tua had a complete dislocation with an aditional fracture of the hip socket. Bo was only a partial dislocation. Bo wasnt even able to play baseball at a high level again. Tua will have to stand up to continued contact and punishment as an NFL QB. If he could'nt stay healthy in college with a pretty good oline what makes you think he will stay healthy in the NFL after a major hip injury and with a probable mediocre oline in Miami?

I would not touch Tua with a ten foot pole in this draft.

Bo wasn't able to play baseball again because he wasn't treated correctly. If he were both treated correctly AND had more modern medicine techniques, he probably would have had been able to play.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

Bo wasn't able to play baseball again because he wasn't treated correctly. If he were both treated correctly AND had more modern medicine techniques, he probably would have had been able to play.

Yes medicine has advanced some since the 80s, but Tua's hip injury was also more severe than Bo's, and Bo didnt have to keep taking punishment in the NFL like Tua will.

It makes no sense to me to take a chance on Tua. There are red flags all over the place with him.

"hitman8 wrote:

Yes medicine has advanced some since the 80s, but Tua's hip injury was also more severe than Bo's, and Bo didnt have to keep taking punishment in the NFL like Tua will.

It makes no sense to me to take a chance on Tua. There are red flags all over the place with him.

Bo didn't get his diagnosed correctly and thus had more damage because of it. he lost bloodflow in his hip.

The initial injury is not as big a factor as what happened soon after.

"hitman8 wrote:

Yes medicine has advanced some since the 80s, but Tua's hip injury was also more severe than Bo's, and Bo didnt have to keep taking punishment in the NFL like Tua will.

It makes no sense to me to take a chance on Tua. There are red flags all over the place with him.

Were you mad at Saban for passing on Brees?

"Fin D wrote:

Were you mad at Saban for passing on Brees?

1. That's harking back a long time.
2. Saban wanted Brees. He was overridden.
3. Brees wouldn't have done nearly as well in our offense and I have no confidence we would have changed our offense to fit his talents.

"hitman8 wrote:

Yes medicine has advanced some since the 80s, but Tua's hip injury was also more severe than Bo's, and Bo didnt have to keep taking punishment in the NFL like Tua will.

It makes no sense to me to take a chance on Tua. There are red flags all over the place with him.

It's not similar though Hitman. From the 30for30 episode, the issue was that his hip dislocated on the tackle and when he rolled over, it slipped back in. However, as the medical staff didn't diagnose or believe the dislocation, they didn't know that he had ruptured the artery that fed the socket, so blood was pooling in the wrong area. Because of the length of time that it took to diagnose this, by the time they did, the joint had been starved of blood, so the tissue was dying. Tua's was different, as his was relocated by medical staff on the sideline, which limited any damage to the blood vessels. Is he going to make a full recovery, no idea but his chances of a full recovery are much better than Bo's.
Is the closest comparison the Jets LB (who's name escapes me), who also dislocated his hip in college and he's made a full recovery. Different position and mechanics to a QB but gives us something to judge it on.