Tua..

Herbert until Tua can show a full elite season, and would be hard to find any evaluator in the NFL who would choose differently.

 

What does whether not the QBs could do it have to do with whether or not its an excellent throw and whether or not its a type of throw many claimed he couldn't do?

 

I've always had mixed feelings about Herbert, something about him just doesn't sit right with me. I don't mean that I think he's a bad person or anything but as a quarterback he just leaves me a bit cold.

 

Is Herbert elite CONSISTENTLY ? That's the word you base every thing on. I don't want to hear about injuries.

 

The last 3 years we've gone 10-6, 9-8, 9-8. When was the last time we had 4 winning seasons in a row?

 

Doesn't matter.

 

With Wannstedt in 2003. The guy who helped ruin this franchise. We actually had 7 winning seasons in a row from 1997-2003.

Actually, having 2 winning seasons in a row was an accomplishment from 2020-2021. We didn't even have that post-2003. But yes, this is clearly a new era. We just need to win a playoff game now. Haven't done that since 2000.

 

I don't use team records to evaluate quarterbacks or otherwise you think Jay Fielder is better than Warren Moon.

 

I don't base every thing on that. The people that say Tua is elite do. I'm just disagreeing until we get more elite play.

 

You haven't been basing all things Tua on consistency?

 

That throw was amazing too. Just next level precision

 

Herbert has a had a lot of the same problems. Terrible coaching that's changed a lot. Terrible line.

Right now Herbert's got Tua beat in pretty much every offensive category in their career:
https://stathead.com/football/vs/justin-herbert-vs-tua-tagovailoa

...Tua has a chance to flip it this year. Let's see.

 

Herbert has never been elite over a long stretch. He has been consistently above average but not elite. I've been pointing this out since year 2 based on his stats, that something is amiss with Herbert, and it's showing once again this year. Herbert hasn't improved over these three years, and somehow doesn't have that "clutch" factor where you can rely on him to win (at least a decent number) of games when so much else is going wrong. That playoff flop last year doesn't help.

People who like Herbert because of his physical traits are ignoring his stats, which suggest it's another Rivers-type situation.

 

I'm not the one saying Herbert is elite or Tua is elite though. In order for me to think Tua is elite as some believe, I need to see Tua play elite consistently and for a longer period.

 

No, the ability to perform at an elite level for a longer period of time is a VERY important barometer. Herbert never accomplished what Tua did in 2022. That right there suggests Tua may have the higher upside. No, Herbert is not leading Tua in every key offensive stat.

 

I think you get the point though. Tim Tebow has a winning record too.

 

Here is the link to the QB school video. Good watch. What does he say about the throw that every NFL QB can make:

"I can't overstate how special a throw this is." LOL from a former NFL QB and a guy who now reviews QB film for a living.

 

Got to compare apples to apples. Let Tua play a full season for once, and see what his record is.

 

I agree

 

My thoughts are if he can stay healthy and not miss significant time, especially near the postseason.. then give him that market value contract that all the big qbs are getting. Not a fan, i think he has so many limitations but if hes producing we dont have a choice. He needs to put together a strong season with at least 15 starts for me to really be okay with the team giving him a long term contract.. if he misses december and january (playoffs) like last season they are not giving him that 250 million like the top qbs but theyll definitely offer a Daniel Jones type contract which is 160 with half of it guaranteed..

 

Personally, I'd franchise tag and let him repeat it. Then I'd be pretty comfortable with the long term deal.

 

I've got the haters and agenda pushers on ignore. Now...As far as Tua goes, I think the biggest difference I saw yesterday was how physically fit he looked. The guy just looks stronger all around. I also noticed that his throws have some zip on them. He wasn't just out there throwing ducks. The guy puts it on the numbers and he's dead on accurate.

The Titans/Saints game was the only other game I watched yesterday and not to bash Tannehill, but he was off! Way off. Tannehill had two crucial misses that should have gone for TDs. They were both overthrows that pretty much decided the game. I'm going to bet the house that Tua WOULD NOT have missed on those throws. Both would have been house calls...Even against a stellar Saints defense.

Titans/Saints, I saw both Quarterbacks struggle because of how defensive the game was. Carr was off at times as well, but he made all the right throws when it mattered the most and that was the difference between him and Tannehill in that game. I only mention this game because I think at some point this year we're going to play in a few of these ourselves. Not every game we play this year is going to be some massive offensive explosion. We're going to get into a couple of sloppy dog fights this year and the hope is that Tua can do for us what Carr was able to do for New Orleans yesterday. That being that he did not lose the game, making the right throws when they needed to be made, and putting the team in a position to be able to get some sort of points on the board.

We're going to see all sorts of game scenarios/plots/storylines this year. I actually think next week against New England is going to be more of a defensive battle. Don't expect Tua to erupt for 400 yards passing and 4 TDs. If he does, then buckle up because he's going to be doing that to the entire league this year. New England has a great defense. The hope is that Tua just drops a deuce on them anyway, but the realistic hope is that he can play smart, control the game, and make the right decisions that lead us to a win.

 

By my math, that means Tua at 100% for 14 games is a positive goal. We might actually get that.

 

I've seen that play several times today from who knows how many angles and it seriously hypes me up every time. I thought it was a great pass in the game and it somehow looks better every time I watch it.

 

I’ve only read the first page of posts. First off, QUIT THE PERSONAL SHOTS!!!!!! KNOCK IT OFF!!!!

There are some posts I read that are as stupid as a football bat. What do I do? Roll my eyes and keep reading on.

Now on to the topic at hand…

What an utterly amazing performance by Tua!!! 466 yards passing. That’s insane! What’s even more amazing about those yard is the air yards. 310 of those yards were passes down the field. That’s BALLS!!! The Dolphins weren’t just throwing the ball, they were ATTACKING.

I wanted to say one thing though about the discussion about the weapons Tua has and it’s THEM that made/makes Tua look good…

If that’s the case, then it wasn’t all Marino. It was Duper, Clayton and Moore than made Marino look good.

Mahomes and Kelce?
Montana and Rice?
Aikmen and Irvin?
Bradshaw and Stallworth/Swann?

Great quarterbacks have great receivers. You can’t have one without the other…but it doesn’t diminish the quarterback.

After all, someone had the throw the ball to those receivers.

 

There goes that " consistently" word again. You know, the word you don't use as an ability reference.

 

Yes, exactly. I made that point a while back also.

 

You aren't following. I'm not the one calling Tua OR Herbert elite. I don't think either are elite. If they are to be elite, they need to be elite consistently and for a full season. What's your confusion in my position?

 

Not confused in the least, trust me your rhetoric is perfectly clear regardless of how you try and deny it and twist it.

 

What rhetoric? What do you disagree with in my last post? Do you even know what you are arguing at this point?

 

How about that Josh Allen???? Now there is an elite QB.

 

Of course I do. You talk endlessly about Tua/consistency then back track when your boy Herbert is brought into the conversation. That's just one example of many reasons posters here have your number.
You're so busy trying to pull the wool ove OUR eyes you fail to realize you're only kidding yourself.

 

I will say Allen is really good at throwing the ball really far to the other team.

 

I'm simply pointing out, making one throw isn't proof. If he does that consistently, it is proof. That was all I was saying. I'm not saying it isn't proof. The claim has been that Tua can't make those throws consistently, not that her doesn't Piggly have the capability of doing it.