Tua WAY ahead on Medical schedule

That's great, but I still don't want him out on the field till after the bye-week AND that's assuming the OL is playing decently. If Fitzmagic has Miami contending for a playoff spot, then Tua can sit until 2021.

"Deus ex dolphin wrote:

That's great, but I still don't want him out on the field till after the bye-week AND that's assuming the OL is playing decently. If Fitzmagic has Miami contending for a playoff spot, then Tua can sit until 2021.

I agree with this. If we're winning with Fitz, then lets keep riding with him. I do see Fitz getting hooked a lot sooner than the bye week if things get bad. A lot of us are going to start calling for Tua the minute things get bad.

"Deus ex dolphin wrote:

That's great, but I still don't want him out on the field till after the bye-week AND that's assuming the OL is playing decently. If Fitzmagic has Miami contending for a playoff spot, then Tua can sit until 2021.

I completely agree.

As you Americans say, "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it," and if we’re winning, or at least losing competitively, it would be folly to bench Fitz in favour of Tua just for the Hell of it.

Like his attitude. Keep it up. As really the kid just needs to learn however. Maybe like that of Patrick Mahomes for Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers for Brett Favre.

Jmo, I would sit the Rookie, whom I love, allow Fitz to lead the team after an excellent 2nd half of the season last year, with better talent all around, and see how far he can take this years team, if he falters and the team falls out of contention, then make the switch..

Lots of folks don’t agree with me here, but I think after leading a team that had the worst oline in football, the worst running back unit in football, one of the worst tight end units in football, a coordinator that got fired after his first year, leading the team in rushing, and a winning record in the 2nd half of the season, which included beating the world champs at their house with lots on the line, he actually gets the gig out of respect for high level play under the worst conditions..

I think Flores makeup will feel the same. Jmo..

Also, it won’t matter if he outplays Fitz in practice, I would take the pressure off him immediately and let him know his role to start the year.

"Deus ex dolphin wrote:

That's great, but I still don't want him out on the field till after the bye-week AND that's assuming the OL is playing decently. If Fitzmagic has Miami contending for a playoff spot, then Tua can sit until 2021.

June 12th, first mention of Miami and the playoffs.

"ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:

I agree with this. If we're winning with Fitz, then lets keep riding with him. I do see Fitz getting hooked a lot sooner than the bye week if things get bad. A lot of us are going to start calling for Tua the minute things get bad.

I agree as well except to say "If we're winning with Fitz or Rosen..." If Fitz plays bad/goes down early, then I'd prefer Rosen to get a 2nd tryout instead of rushing Tua in there too quickly.

I think Tua should see the field but mostly in mop up duty in games that have been decided. Also, only when he is healthy enough to do so.

I agree on letting Tua sit and develop. He has a great mentor in Fitzpatrick and can learn a lot from him. Besides, if you look at the history, particularly recent history of the pressure to start rookie quarterbacks, it hasn't worked out too well for the most part. Ther'es been those that have been able to develop with that pressure but in general, its typically better to develop your draftee behind a proven starter.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

I agree on letting Tua sit and develop. He has a great mentor in Fitzpatrick and can learn a lot from him. Besides, if you look at the history, particularly recent history of the pressure to start rookie quarterbacks, it hasn't worked out too well for the most part. Ther'es been those that have been able to develop with that pressure but in general, its typically better to develop your draftee behind a proven starter.

The narrative against this is it doesn’t help a Qb to hold a clipboard..

See to me it isn’t about seeing What Tua has to offer early, it’s really about two things..

1) I’m genuinely interested to see how far Fitz can go with a better team around him..

2)I don’t care if doctors medically cleared him, medically cleared doesn’t mean he can’t improve on his strength in the injured area, Tua had some weight issues in college where he would let himself go, I would make sure he is absolutely at his best, and I mean, lean muscle mass, excellent body fat ratio, strength and conditioning best, That hip and the surrounding areas of that hip, is gonna be stronger than pre injury..He will be a lean mean, super fast grease lighting fast machine before he see the field imo.

"djphinfan wrote:

See to me it isn’t about seeing What Tua has to offer early, it’s really about two things..

1) I’m genuinely interested to see how far Fitz can go with a better team around him..

2)I don’t care if doctors medically cleared him, medically cleared doesn’t mean he can’t improve on his strength in the injured area, Tua had some weight issues in college where he would let himself go, I would make sure he is absolutely at his best, and I mean, lean muscle mass, excellent body fat ratio, strength and conditioning best, That hip and the surrounding areas of that hip, is gonna be stronger than pre injury..He will be a lean mean, super fast grease lighting fast machine before he see the field imo.

Fitzpatrick has had one season over .500 that's how far he can go.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Fitzpatrick has had one season over .500 that's how far he can go.

Yea I have zero interest as Fitzpatrick is not a good quarterback.

he is a fine quarterback and fun to watch. Just not a good one.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

June 12th, first mention of Miami and the playoffs.

I wasn't predicting a playoff run (as I had an 'if' in there) but I've watched this team go from 1-15 to 11-5 in one offseason. With the expanded playoff format 9-7 should get you in fairly often, 8-8 now and again.

I'm not saying Miami CAN'T make the playoffs either. We saw how 2019 was a tale of two halves; a team being blown out game after game in first half of the season, then a team winning more than they lost in the second half of the season.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Fitzpatrick has had one season over .500 that's how far he can go.

Too many variables in that number, plus it leaves no room for progression..

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

Yea I have zero interest as Fitzpatrick is not a good quarterback.

he is a fine quarterback and fun to watch. Just not a good one.

He played at a higher level than tannehill did for 6 years.

"djphinfan wrote:

He played at a higher level than tannehill did for 6 years.

That's an opinion. And one that I don't think helps the Fitzpatrick starting argument.

Still zero interest in the journeyman starting.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

That's an opinion. And one that I don't think helps the Fitzpatrick starting argument.

Still zero interest in the journeyman starting.

I can understand your pov, I feel like the majic is getting better at playing the position, less gun slinger more calculated game manager, not in any hurry to start Tua

"djphinfan wrote:

He played at a higher level than tannehill did for 6 years.

Results don't equate to playing at a higher level. I'm not sure that Fitz was making more difficult throws than Tannehill was in Miami.

And Fitz will never come close to the kind numbers Tannehill had this season.

BUT, I think Fitz is a higher level when it comes to playing off script. However, that's also his Achilles heel. It's why he can be Jekyll and Hyde.

"resnor wrote:

Results don't equate to playing at a higher level. I'm not sure that Fitz was making more difficult throws than Tannehill was in Miami.

And Fitz will never come close to the kind numbers Tannehill had this season.

BUT, I think Fitz is a higher level when it comes to playing off script. However, that's also his Achilles heel. It's why he can be Jekyll and Hyde.

Like any stats context is key, I think posting the numbers he did, under those circumstances, was very good, so you have to try and extrapolate what better player and better protection would do For the stats..if he posted a 90 qbr with last years team what would it be if he didn’t have the worst oline, running back unit, tight end unit in football? That’s how I think of it at least, better surrounding players helps improve qb numbers, we know this.

Based on every report I've ever heard about Tua's ability to lock-down an offense in record time, repeatedly, coupled with his seemingly ridiculous recovery regimen and results, and adding the fact that the OC they brought in is in-line with Tua's game...if he beats Fitzy in camp, he should start. Not all guys need a year, not that I think it would hurt him, but his football intelligence is off the charts, and his leadership is unquestionable. He's going to take over this team with quickness. He's lightning in a bottle.

I know that's probably not a popular opinion, just how I see it. I see no reason, as it stands right now, assuming he beats Fitzy, that he shouldn't start. We have no way of knowing whether Mahomes would've been just as good had he started right off...or if he'd have been even better this year with the extra experience with the game, its just a narrative that it helped him by sitting, because he sat.

I think one of the things we need to look at and take away from Mahomes and the situation in KC.. Is that They had a veteran QB in Smith who was established and could mentor Mahomes. What KC did that season was fine tune the offense Smith had a career year mentoring Mahomes. Smith led the NFL in several important categories... QB rating 104 Interception % 1... He led the NFL in yards per pass at 8.6

The Chiefs worked out all of the kinks... They had the O line performing. They had brought in Electric play makers like Kelce and Hill. And Mahomes got a year to see that offense perform like a well oiled machine. He got to study the offense working perfectly. He was not put into a situation where he has to learn how to be an NFL QB while the team is trying to learn how to fine tune their offense. It eliminated other variables and other growing pains that could have a negative effect on him and or slow his growth and development.

Miami has the established QB that Tua can learn from. Miami has issues to work out ( Offensive line. ) We do have good skill players... But we are learning a new offense... If Tua sits this year and takes over a year from now Every other player on the offense will be experienced in this offense and the only Variable then will be Tua... A well groomed Tua that is confident and ready to lead.

I am not against Tua starting for us this year... There is an excellent argument for him to sit though

IMO it would be best for Tua to sit at least half of the season. There’s value in watching a vet go through the preparations for different opponents each week. Now it’s obviously possible that Tua could handle starting right away just fine but I see absolutely zero downside in bringing him in slowly. This is not about this year. This is about what’s best for the next 10 years.

I have a higher opinion than some here about Fitzpatrick. The fact is that PFF rated him as a top 15 QB the last two seasons. He has had a journeyman career but he was clearly better the last two seasons. I also believe that his experience will help a young OL develop. I suspect that Flores also has a higher opinion of Fitzpatrick than some here.