Tua or or wait for Lawrence?
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I think we will have first pick next year But I am not sold on Tua and think his game wont translate to the Nfl.
Lawrence looks like he will be a star and we would dominate the AFC for years to come.Do we wait until 2021 assuming he will even come out or build a offensive line in 2020 and start Rosen?Then move up and.grab Lawrence in 2021.
GalantForum VeteranIf we're low enough this year, we might be able to take Tua, or another, and then with massed picks take Lawrence in 2021...seriously.
Might be crazy, but it's not impossible.
Then again, Tua might not be available until 2021 either - in an interview he stated that he and his family might choose for him to finish college first, because they believe education is important. So if that's the case, then the Dolphins will have to look at someone else this year or else wait. That would give the scouts two more years to evaluate Tua and Lawrence.
As for Tua in 2020 - we've got one more year to take a look at him, along with others. I'll be paying close attention this year.
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DestroyerForum VeteranI hope he stays in for one more year.
The Dolphins are the softest team in the NFL. Tua hater starting 12/11/22.
Don't gamble on being able to take the QB you want in 2021. Let's say you're sitting there with pick #1 in 2020 and you think you can guarantee you'll be there to pick the QB you want in 2021? No. Too much uncertainty.
Also 2 seasons of tanking is too much. One is enough. And you do not need the next Dan Marino at QB. You just need a guy that's consistently above average. Get that in 2020 and build the rest of the team.
invidSupporter"cbrad wrote:
Don't gamble on being able to take the QB you want in 2021. Let's say you're sitting there with pick #1 in 2020 and you think you can guarantee you'll be there to pick the QB you want in 2021? No. Too much uncertainty.
Also 2 seasons of tanking is too much. One is enough. And you do not need the next Dan Marino at QB. You just need a guy that's consistently above average. Get that in 2020 and build the rest of the team.
I'm hoping one of the teams with the 1st overall pick in either of the next two years has a quarterback already (maybe he got injured, maybe he showed promise but the team lost a bunch of close games) ala Marcus Mariota IIRC, and would be willing to trade back for some of these picks we've accrued. Then we can get "our guy". Wishful thinking, but it's a hope after all.
GARDENHEADSupporterTua.
Tua is a can't miss prospect. And we're a can't win team in 2019. We'll have the #1 overall pick in 2020 and tons of draft capital and salary cap space to surround him with the talent to be successful. Trust the Process.
Tanking is like taking a Greyhound bus cross-country. Sure, it may eventually get you where you want to go, but it’s messy and unpleasant and uncomfortable, it stinks, the entire time you’ll be wishing you weren’t there, and not everybody along for the ride is going to make it to the end. - Quote stolen from Deadspin
The GuyForum VeteranOnce again, no front office or coaching staff is going to be given permission to “take their time” to the extent that they can pass up a franchise quarterback they’re targeting, in favor of losing as a team for an entire additional season to target a different one.
This isn’t the NBA, where you may need to tank as a team for multiple seasons to garner the necessary draft picks to compete with the firepower of the Golden State Warriors, for example. This is the NFL, where having a franchise quarterback changes a team’s fortunes immediately and should make it stop tanking and start winning.
"cbrad wrote:
Don't gamble on being able to take the QB you want in 2021. Let's say you're sitting there with pick #1 in 2020 and you think you can guarantee you'll be there to pick the QB you want in 2021? No. Too much uncertainty.
Also 2 seasons of tanking is too much. One is enough. And you do not need the next Dan Marino at QB. You just need a guy that's consistently above average. Get that in 2020 and build the rest of the team.
Never said tank in 2020.Build the team in the trenches and play Rosen next year.Move up and get Lawerence.
"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Tua.
Tua is a can't miss prospect. And we're a can't win team in 2019. We'll have the #1 overall pick in 2020 and tons of draft capital and salary cap space to surround him with the talent to be successful. Trust the Process.
I dont see elite prospect with this guy from his release to his awkward foot work in the pocket.
"pumpdogs wrote:
Never said tank in 2020.Build the team in the trenches and play Rosen next year.Move up and get Lawerence.
You won't be able to get Lawrence without tanking unless you're just by chance the worst team in the league record-wise. Just having picks to trade up isn't enough, you need a willing trading partner, and in a QB starved league you're not going to find a willing trading partner for the #1 pick if a potentially great QB is available.
So Tua in 2020 as far as I'm concerned.
GalantForum VeteranAgain, Tua may NOT be available in 2019. We may be forced to wait until 2021, or else, pick a third option. In which case, if the FO prefers either Tua or Lawrence I hope they pursue their guy and don't just 'settle' for someone in 2020 because they get nervous.
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
Surfs Up 99Forum VeteranI don't think we can wait. If Tua stays in school, we need to take someone in 2020. My guess is Tua will come out early and finish his degree later. He will probably be number 1 in 2020. If he says in school then Lawerence should be number 1.
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Team Tua.
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HooliganSupporterHopefully Rosen develops, we move up to draft Lawrence then trade Rosen for more draft picks.
texanphinaticForum VeteranLawrence has a chance to be an Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning generational talent. You won't get him unless you draft #1.
And frankly, two straight years of being the worst overall team in the league means Flores is gone and we are starting over.
GalantForum VeteranOn Tua from May this year...
More in the College Football forum though.
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
Patster1969SupporterIf we are in a position to take Tua, we have to - a lot could happen in two years, TL could get a bad injury, lose interest in the game. If we passed on Tua in the hope that we get Lawrence and something happens, we are dead
Deus ex dolphinForum Veteran"pumpdogs wrote:
Never said tank in 2020.Build the team in the trenches and play Rosen next year.Move up and get Lawerence.
Lawrence seems like a generational talent, like Luck was. So, what would it have taken for the Colts to give up that #1 pick? Five first rounders? Three first rounders and two of the best players from your team? Or would they have flatly refused to deal that pick?
You can't count on moving up, even if you make an insane offer. Even then, things could happen, like imagine the Colts trading five first rounders to move up a couple spots to get Luck..... and then having him retire like he just did? The Indy nightmare would be so much worse.
A terrible play call, terribly executed.
Surfs Up 99Forum VeteranI am not going to count on getting Tua. We need to have a backup plan in case another team sucks more than we do. I haven't researched it heavily but I think Fromm could be a player.
Leadership isn't getting people to line up behind you; it is getting them to join you.
Sometimes the journey is as important as the destination.
The little things matter. Winning starts by not beating ourselves.
Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.
Team Tua.
Miami Dolphins Homer!
Unlucky 13SupporterRosen. And use the draft and free agency to fortify the rest of the team.
"cbrad wrote:
Don't gamble on being able to take the QB you want in 2021. Let's say you're sitting there with pick #1 in 2020 and you think you can guarantee you'll be there to pick the QB you want in 2021? No. Too much uncertainty.
Also 2 seasons of tanking is too much. One is enough. And you do not need the next Dan Marino at QB. You just need a guy that's consistently above average. Get that in 2020 and build the rest of the team.
3 number 1 picks will do it an we already have 2 in 2021.The teams that are in the playoffs every year all have a franchise QB.
I don't like Tua,Herbert or Fromm but thats my opinion.
GalantForum Veteran
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
I’m skeptical of Tua for all the same reasons a lot of folks are. He gets hyped so much he’s become the default answer to a question that isn’t even fair to ask right now.
We need to let the 2019 college football season play out. Tua needs to continue his dominance and I look forward to seeing him play better (or at least healthy) against the elite competition at season's end. Odds are he'll do great but if there's any sort of regression it'll be cause for concern and it may bring other guys like Fromm, Herbert and Love into the conversation.
Lawrence needs to mature as a QB and show he's more than just a freakish physical prospect who had an outstanding freshman year. I graduated from Clemson so don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he was a freshman and he has a lot he can clean up. His arm makes him a man among boys out there but as a QB there's a lot of room to grow. His upside is ridiculous but we could've said that about a lot of guys who ended up being duds once they had to rely on their minds.
"DolphinGreg wrote:
I’m skeptical of Tua for all the same reasons a lot of folks are. He gets hyped so much he’s become the default answer to a question that isn’t even fair to ask right now.
We need to let the 2019 college football season play out. Tua needs to continue his dominance and I look forward to seeing him play better (or at least healthy) against the elite competition at season's end. Odds are he'll do great but if there's any sort of regression it'll be cause for concern and it may bring other guys like Fromm, Herbert and Love into the conversation.
Lawrence needs to mature as a QB and show he's more than just a freakish physical prospect who had an outstanding freshman year. I graduated from Clemson so don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he was a freshman and he has a lot he can clean up. His arm makes him a man among boys out there but as a QB there's a lot of room to grow. His upside is ridiculous but we could've said that about a lot of guys who ended up being duds once they had to rely on their minds.
Yeah I'm not locked in on Tua. I'm locked in on taking a QB with the #1 pick in 2020 whoever seems to be the best prospect at that time. It's just that right now that looks like Tua. The important thing is to end this search for a franchise QB that we've had since Marino.