Tua named starting QB
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DolPhinPhan7forum_veteran"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:
Not sure if I love it or hate it.
I think Tua obviously needs to see the field so that we can get a grasp on what we have.
That said, at 3-3 with expanded playoffs, I'm thinking of sneaking in this year. I think this will definitely, mildly, hurt those chances just due to experience.
Why settle for a WC birth? This team gave Buffalo all it had with Fitzpatrick. They have a legit shot at the Division.
"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:
Why settle for a WC birth? This team gave Buffalo all it had with Fitzpatrick. They have a legit shot at the Division.
It's not so much that ilI want to settle, but I had us pegged at 8-8 this year give or take a game.
I'd love if we exceeded those expectations but I tend to not move far from my initial prediction unless something crazy happens.
DolPhinPhan7forum_veteranFitz has been a good QB.
But look, had he been able to find the End Zone a few more time against Seattle they may have won that game. He threw multiple picks against New England.
Had the Jets Offence not been catastrophically bad, Fitzpatrick's play could have allowed them a chance to get back into Sunday's game.
This team can be better than it is now.
Dorfdadforum_veteran"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:
Why settle for a WC birth? This team gave Buffalo all it had with Fitzpatrick. They have a legit shot at the Division.
Fitz has been playing out of his mind. Tua is going to hit some real bumps. Trusting the coach if we take a step back it might hurt any chances for a playoff spot this year but will benefit us for the long run.
DolPhinPhan7forum_veteran"Dorfdad wrote:
Fitz has been playing out of his mind. Tua is going to hit some real bumps. Trusting the coach if we take a step back it might hurt any chances for a playoff spot this year but will benefit us for the long run.
Flores isn't on the Hot Seat. He wouldn't make this move if he didn't think Tua was ready. No one would have said peep if Tua did sit all season.
No one has actually seen him short of those 2 minutes against the Jets because of no Preseason.
BumrushsubscriberI am lukewarm on the move and I say that as a Tua lover.
I think Miami is making a prudent move. We are literally one Desean Watson hit away from having a chance at the overall #1 and a truly generational talent in Lawrence.
Miami has to have a sample size of what Tua can do or not do. Worst case he fails and we double down. Or his body can't take an NFL beating. Or he excels and we can trade down for a bounty of picks.
I don't think this is the primary reason why he is starting but you have to believe it's being factored in, even if it's slightly.
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteran"Dorfdad wrote:
Fitz has been playing out of his mind. Tua is going to hit some real bumps. Trusting the coach if we take a step back it might hurt any chances for a playoff spot this year but will benefit us for the long run.
Fitzpatrick hasn't been playing "out of his mind". He has been playing like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Wildly inconsistent with flashes of great quarterback play.
He is what he is and that's a .500 quarterback.
Bumrushsubscriber"TheHighExhaulted wrote:
Fitzpatrick hasn't been playing "out of his mind". He has been playing like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Wildly inconsistent with flashes of great quarterback play.
He is what he is and that's a .500 quarterback.
He's the leader of the team and has helped develop fringe guys like Devante Parker in to top 10 NFL WR's and has made Gesicki go from looking like a scrub to a difference maker.
Don't underestimate the intangibles, heart, desire and hustle of Fitz. He's so much more than that occasional INT or lame duck pass.
BumrushsubscriberCan we officially retire the Tannehill thread and start a Tua one now that our prized rookie is starting and that Tannehill is unquestionably an elite talent?
Dorfdadforum_veteran"Bumrush wrote:
I am lukewarm on the move and I say that as a Tua lover.
I think Miami is making a prudent move. We are literally one Desean Watson hit away from having a chance at the overall #1 and a truly generational talent in Lawrence.
Miami has to have a sample size of what Tua can do or not do. Worst case he fails and we double down. Or his body can't take an NFL beating. Or he excels and we can trade down for a bounty of picks.
I don't think this is the primary reason why he is starting but you have to believe it's being factored in, even if it's slightly.
were not getting Lawrence. we have 3 wins already there will be teams now seeing nothing to win and diving to the bottom for him. Jets are the most likely to get him IMHO and that's scary.
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteran"Bumrush wrote:
He's the unquestioned leader of the team and has helped develop fringe guys like Devante Parker in to top 10 NFL WR's and has made Gesicki go from looking like a scrub to a difference maker.
Don't underestimate the intangibles, heart, desire and hustle of Fitz. He's so much more than that occasional INT or lame duck pass.
I agree and he can do his rah rah rah from the bench now.
DolPhinPhan7forum_veteran"Bumrush wrote:
He's the unquestioned leader of the team and has helped develop fringe guys like Devante Parker in to top 10 NFL WR's and has made Gesicki go from looking like a scrub to a difference maker.
Don't underestimate the intangibles, heart, desire and hustle of Fitz. He's so much more than that occasional INT or lame duck pass.
You don't know that DVP and the rest of the team won't respond to Tua the same. Flores is the glue on this team, not Fitzy.
Fitz is still there to mentor Tua, he knows this is his team.
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DolPhinPhan7forum_veteran"Dorfdad wrote:
were not getting Lawrence. we have 3 wins already there will be teams now seeing nothing to win and diving to the bottom for him. Jets are the most likely to get him IMHO and that's scary.
He's talking about the Texans pick we have.
Even if that pick lands, I wouldn't take Lawrence. Maybe trade down to a team other than the Jets, if anything.
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"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:
You don't know that DVP and the rest of the team won't respond to Tua the same. Flores is the glue on this team, not Fitzy.
Fitz is still there to mentor Tua, he knows this is his team.
It's not just about responding to him.
Fitz is a veteran who can get his guys aligned correctly to counter different defensive sets.
It's not that Tua cant, but I dont expect him to at the level of a veteran like Fitz.
I think by making the switch we are losing a lot pre-snap in the short term, but we might be gaining something post snap as well.
We will see how it goes. I'm not unhappy we are seeing him, like I said I think its imperative that we do.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:
He's talking about the Texans pick we have.
Even if that pick lands, I wouldn't take Lawrence.
I would be shocked if the Jets win a game.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Bumrushsubscriber"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:
It's not just about responding to him.
Fitz is a veteran who can get his guys aligned correctly to counter different defensive sets.
It's not that Tua cant, but I dont expect him to at the level of a veteran like Fitz.
I think by making the switch we are losing a lot pre-snap in the short term, but we might be gaining something post snap as well.
We will see how it goes. I'm not unhappy we are seeing him, like I said I think its imperative that we do.
We know that this is not a Brett Favre / Rodgers situation.
This is Alex Smith / Mahomes.
This can be mitigated by Fitz acting like a mentor and coach to Tua while assuring the DVP's, Gesicki's and Preston Williams of the world that everything is going to be OK and the team won't skip a beat. He's already pretty much guaranteed a monster contract for DVP and there is nobody else on the offense whose career earnings hinge on Fitz being able to distribute the ball.
Rick 1966forum_veteran"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:
He's talking about the Texans pick we have.
Even if that pick lands, I wouldn't take Lawrence. Maybe trade down to a team other than the Jets, if anything.
I'd take him. He's a talent that comes around maybe once every 10 years. You don't pass that up.
ExplosionsInDaSkyforum_veteranTop five pick. It's definitely time to see what he can do. He's had a few months now to learn so we have to see what he's got. Fitz is still there if Tua goes out and gets trucked. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteranI am very excited. I can't wait until November 1st!
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Vertical Limitforum_veteran"Bumrush wrote:
Can we officially retire the Tannehill thread and start a Tua one now that our prized rookie is starting and that Tannehill is unquestionably an elite talent?
Na let it live forever.. i recently got called out on it for being very wrong on Tannehill being a lateral at best move from Mariota :lol: probably one of the funniest threads on the board.. i have admitted i was wrong in the middle of last season but whatever :lol:
"Bumrush wrote:
We know that this is not a Brett Favre / Rodgers situation.
This is Alex Smith / Mahomes.
This can be mitigated by Fitz acting like a mentor and coach to Tua while assuring the DVP's, Gesicki's and Preston Williams of the world that everything is going to be OK and the team won't skip a beat. He's already pretty much guaranteed a monster contract for DVP and there is nobody else on the offense whose career earnings hinge on Fitz being able to distribute the ball.
I dont necessarily disagree with most of that.
That said I do expect us to skip a beat in certain situations. The key, for this season not speaking long term, will be whether or not hes making plays after the snap that we werent before.