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Travon Martin Trial

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  1. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    They are sticking GZ 25 years on manslaughter watch...something strange is happening down there....


    [video=youtube;UgDuu6i8MtE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgDuu6i8MtE&feature=player_embedded#t=5s[/video]

    Judges dont and aren't supposed to do this ^
     
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  2. Ronnie Bass

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    What's going on down in Sanford is NOT justice. Its called railroading, and I don't really care what happens to GZ, he could get hit by a bus walking to court and I could care less, but there are people from outside the courtroom who are trying to influence this verdict to go one way, they are trying to railroad this dude, maybe the jury won't buy it.
     
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  3. finyank13

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    The courts should be the last thing railroaded by anything, the second the court system is compromised then the whole nation is as well IMO....

    Stupid question but the jury is sequestered right?
     
  4. daphins

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    We're getting there though. In Iowa the state Supreme Court ruled that the state constitution allowed gay marriage. In doing so they drew the ire of a national conservative group which gave a local politician a podium and the means to get a large portion of the justices ousted during the next election.

    The USSC seems to have more and more party-line rulings every year.

    People need to start respecting the differences between themselves and others. Legislation is not the way to overcome what divides us as a nation.
     
  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Prosecutor in yesterday's closing arguments misspoke about evidence in the case. He said that GZ told someone at the scene to tell his wife that he "KILLED" the guy. When that is not what GZ said according to the witness' testimony in the case. He said to tell his wife that he "SHOT" someone. Pretty big difference as the prosecution is attempting to point out major inconsistencies in GZ's story. That when GZ was being questioned at the police station shortly thereafter, he was surprised to find out TM had died. Sure that would be an inconsistency, but that's not what GZ said to the witness at the scene.

    This was brought up last night on TV. That the defense should have objected and interrupted the closing argument. I haven't finished watching the defense closing argument to see if it's even brought up today. But if it's not brought up, the defense has really missed an opportunity to paint the prosecution in a bad light.
     
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  6. RickyBobby

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    The judge must make sure gz was not threatened, bribed, promised ot coerced in anyway. She had to make sure he was making his decision on his own free will.

    This happens in EVERY CADE
     
  7. RickyBobby

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    It's kinda a dick move to objest to a closing argument. The evidence has been submitted and now its time to tell their side of the story. Both sides will be exaggerating the facts during closing arguments.
     
  8. finyank13

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    No it doesn't happen...

    Sure as to what you referred to you are right, being "Have you made a decision if you are going to testify or not" I agree. Then she was asking him time requirements of when he will know if he will testify or not, time-frame and strategy questions are and should be handled by the attys. His only obligation throughout this entire trial is to say "No" that's it, unless of course he says "yes"....Not to mention when she asked defense had't even rested yet, how the hell do any of them know?
     
  9. finyank13

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    It isn't a dick move, so Judges are never wrong? Cases dont get overturned on appeals all the time for instances just like this?

    As for telling his side of the story? GZ doesnt have too....it is his right not to testify...
     
  10. finyank13

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    It went to the jury.....

    So to riot or not to riot Sanford?
     
  11. Firesole

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    Just let me get home first....


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  12. GridIronKing34

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    Will ya pick me up a PS3 and a copy of The Last Of Us at Best Buy if a riot occurs?
     
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  13. cdz12250

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    Usually happens when the defendant enters a guilty or no contest plea, to inquire into the knowing voluntariness of the plea. In 37 years of practice, I have never once seen a judge inquire directly of a defendant under oath as to whether or not he will testify in a criminal trial that has not yet ended, but the law is very far from being limited to my personal experience.

    Is it unusual? Yes. Can she do it? Probably. What she is trying to do is avoid an appeal based on the ineffective assistance of counsel in case Zimmerman is convicted. She wants it on the record that Zimmerman knows his right to remain silent or testify at his discretion; that he's had sufficient time to consult with his counsel to decide whether or not to take the stand, and that the decision is well considered and voluntary. She can make that record. She wasn't coercing Zimmerman to testify.
     
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  14. Paul 13

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    I'm predicting Monday morning we'll have a verdict. I think he'll get manslaughter (12 years), that's just my feel for what this jury will do. Even though I think he acted in self defense.
     
  15. padre31

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    :dunno:

    TBH, thought Zimmerman acted in self defense, however it's a 6 women panel, no telling.

    If I were his attorney I'd have tried to have add at least 1 male on the panel during jury selection
     
  16. RickyBobby

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    Such a stange case.

    All the circumstances, the state has no clue as to what actually happened but gz story has some hole in logic IMO.


    Now this case aside, do you think it should be mandatory for defendant to testify on the stand if the are claiming self defense in a murder? I understand they have the right not to but isn't it something that you can kill someone, claim self defense, not talk and just say prove it? I'm on the fence on this obe
     
  17. padre31

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    No, would have the 5th amendment limitations in place.

    The DA said something rather odd "...Travon's DNA was not on the gun!!!.."

    Which proves..nothing..either for culpability or for innocence, if someone robbed a bank would it then be said "..oh but my clients DNA was not found on the door!!!"

    WTH?
     
  18. RickyBobby

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    he said that because gz told his friend that tm actually had his hands on it. Just attacking the story of gz, same premise of pointing out that tm didn't have blood on his hands even though gz said tm was covering his mouth and pinching his broken nose.


    I can honestly say Idk how I would vote if on the jury.
    For one I don't believe gz is telling the truth in his story.
    But I do think he may have been in fear for his life.

    Really tough for me
     
  19. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I think O'Mara made a mistake by saying he could prove his client's innocence. He didn't need to do that. He sounded overconfident. And to me, that's not something you ever want to do in front of an all female jury. The rest of his closing was superb though.
     
  20. slickj101

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    Considering all that it comes down to who you think the instigator was, imo.
     
  21. padre31

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    It's the assumption that "of course, Martin would then have DNA on his hands"

    The absence of such proves nothing at all yet could sway the jury decision.
     
  22. Question to everyone:

    Do you feel that George Zimmerman was given a fair trial regardless of what the jury verdict is?
     
  23. cdz12250

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    Hard to say without having actually sat through the entire trial, but the snippets and second-hand accounts I got made me conclude that Judge Nelson worked very hard at keeping improper elements out, and made rulings on the law and the evidence with which both sides are equally unhappy. She was fair and even-handed.
     
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  24. daphins

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    I think it's hard to gauge for most people. I didn't watch enough of this to make a judgement, but I thought that the judge in the Casey Anthony trial leaned HEAVILY towards the prosecution. I honestly didn't think she got a fair trial at all.
     
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  25. RickyBobby

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    From what I've seen I'd say yes.

    I tell you one thing, I would hire that Mark o Mara. The other defense atty I don't like
     
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  26. Stringer Bell

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    I have no doubt that GZ was in fear of his life when he pulled the trigger. But IMO the reason he was in fear was because he tried to apprehend someone who he believed to be committing a crime.

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  27. RickyBobby

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    That exactly what I think happened.

    Not sure how many were listening to closings but one thing really got on my nerves and I feel ultimately hurt the defense.

    When the arty held a quiet room for the time that was the same animus of time from Travon saying he was running and the time of the 911 calls.

    After the long silence in the room, the arty said, that's how long tm had to get home...are you ****ing kidding me? That's how long he had to get home, like hey man tm had plenty of time to rub home, this was his fault. GTFOH keep in mind only Martins lil bro was home, you really gonna head home where a 12 year old is when you got some strange man following you.

    It was just the way it was said like, hey gz gave tm enogh time to go home so this can't be his fault...unbelievable if u asked me, I actually said Wtf at my desk yesterday listening at work
     
  28. padre31

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    I feel she erred in not allowing Martin's complete cell phone text history into the trial, and I think the addition of the manslaughter charges was less than kosher as the Defense had no time to prepare for the particulars of that law, they argued that Zimmerman did not commit 2nd degree murder, manslaughter has a different standard.
     
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  29. RickyBobby

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    The manslaughter is a lesser included charge, defense was aware. Besides, their defense is the same no matter what charge, self defense.
     
  30. padre31

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    Added afterwards, and "lesser" is a misnomer, the amount of potential punishment is the same.

    IE, like the re-re-redirect questioning allowing the DA a second bite at the apple in an attempt to rehab the disastrous questioning of the police officer, pretty much whatever the prosecution wishes to do, her kangarooness rubber stamps.

    The DA's narrative is "..Martin was a 17 yr old boy!.." which is why the text would have mattered as it would have undermined the DA's theory.
     
  31. RickyBobby

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    if I knew it was going to be included I'm certain the defense did.

    I just don't feel the same as you as far as the judges bias is concerned.

    As far as the phone records I don't think its relevant to the case as the state did not bring any witnesses to testify about character. I do feel it would undermine the states narrative of tm but if she allowed that it would open the door the the character of both men, and that I don't feel should be what this trial is about.
     
  32. padre31

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    Not the portion about Martin bragging about how well he could fight, which is why imo it should have been included in the trial, the State would also have a chance to rebut via calling the other party to the text to testify as to what the conversation involved.
     
  33. Paul 13

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    If I'm on the jury, it all comes down to who do I think is the voice screaming for help on the 911 call. It's clear, based on the evidence, that it was GZ's voice.

    Anyway, there are six jury members and how many alternates? 3? What do the alternates do during deliberations? Are they allowed into the jury room at all? I believe one of the alternates is male. Either that or one of them has a really deep voice lol...
     
  34. Paul 13

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    I found this interesting as we now await the jury's verdict. Reading this I have my predispositions that juror #s B29 and E6 are more likely to convict GZ than not. The other four I feel the other way around. And we can debate this while we wait :tongue2:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-de-la-rionda
     
  35. The_Dark_Knight

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  36. padre31

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    Alternate jurors are not in the room during deliberations.
     
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  37. RickyBobby

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    Lol I knew she look familiar.
     
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  38. That is what the prosecution has made this case about. According to them the jury should convict him because he is a wannabe cop with an itchy trigger finger who shot a poor defenseless minor.
     
  39. RickyBobby

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    Or bc gz profiled then chased tm
     
  40. daphins

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    Seeing and following someone is not a crime. He had every bit of right to be there as TM did. After hearing the whole trial, do you believe they proved beyond a reasonable doubt what happened that night?
     
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