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Travon Martin Trial

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by RickyBobby, Jun 26, 2013.

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  1. finyank13

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    What in God's name is a "white hispanic" CNN has really outdone themselves on this one.....trying to make it all about race and it is sicking actually....a effing white hispanic? I swear they said race relations where supposed to get better under Obama I dont think so at all....

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/11/CNN-white-hispanic

    Is Derek Jeter a white black too CNN?
     
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  2. Paul 13

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    Lets say that GZ doesn't fire his gun that night, that the police show up and stop the fight. Who do you think gets arrested? Who do you think gets charged?
     
  3. Paul 13

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    heh... you know prior to listening to the Zimmerman 911 calls I just assumed he used racial terms and slurs. Come to find out, he didn't. Probably a good thing for him!!
     
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  4. Ronnie Bass

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    This is whole trial is a joke, its sad that a black youth died but they are dying by the dozens everyday, children too as young as toddlers, in our inner cities. Why is what's happening in those cities NOT a bigger concern than what's happening in Florida? Because black youth killing black youth is not a ratings producer and the media needs to make its $$$ so they sell this all being about race. And in the end the media will have gotten their buck while race relations in the country will continue to slide.

    The MSM is becoming America's worst enemy.
     
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  5. slickj101

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    Can't only blame the media when a lot of people eat the black/white **** up and could care less when a black person dies any other way.

    Completely ******ed.
     
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  6. Ronnie Bass

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    Here's the thing, the dude might be more Hispanic than he is White, the media dressed this thing up and has mislead the narrative from the very beginning, if they let take its natural course I doubt this story would be as hot as it is.
     
  7. slickj101

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    You know that made it way more popular than if not. I honestly think some people get off on thinking he's white as messed up as that sounds.
     
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    The bizarre part is Martin was the one using racial language, and of course, that is glossed over.

    Or ABC editing his 911 call to make it seem like Zimmerman was using racist language.

    Add in the kangaroo court aspect of this, replete with re-re-re-direct questioning, and DA now retrying the case in closing arguments and this is not a good example of how the justice system is supposed to work.

    Fmr Sanford police chief said he was fired for not arresting Zimmerman.

    Reminds me very much of the CommBloc show trials.
     
  9. finyank13

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    Says much about the society we live in.....like people want beef between the races?? I have seen headlines about law enforcement prepping for civil unrest should this trial go in favor of GZ, and that's fine they have to battery assess. But no **** go do search early last week you will find one of these media outlets wrote about a riot while the first chick was testifying. She wasn't even done testifying AND she was the first witness call in the entire trial...
     
  10. finyank13

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    Oh absolutely they do, go look at Twitter, some of the things said on there...pssst...
     
  11. finyank13

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  12. cdz12250

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    For everyone's information, Hispanics come in all colors. Spaniards have formalized degrees of "Casta," which does not mean "caste" but "race." A white Spaniard of two white parents is a "blanco." A Spaniard of one white parent and one African parent is a "mulatto." Of one white parent and one Amerindian parent, a "mestizo." Among mestizos, one with more white blood than Amerindian blood is a "Castizo." That is what Zimmerman is, exactly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
     
  13. Ronnie Bass

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    Two white parents can have a baby that is Spanish? How does that work?
     
  14. McLovin

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    They have sex.

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  15. cdz12250

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    roflmfao.
     
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  16. Ronnie Bass

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    I'm serious, did he misspeak or what I'm missing?
     
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    **** it, I will look up "blanco" myself.
     
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  18. cdz12250

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    Sorry. Thought you were kidding.

    "Spanish" means "from Spain," which is a place in Europe, not a race. Spaniards are descended from populations of Celts, Greeks, Italians, Jews, Lebanese and Germans, all of whom are Caucasian, or "white," which is a race. Spaniards are mostly Caucasian.

    When Spain colonized Central and South America, they found large populations of Native Americans, and brought African-Americans to the colonies, with both of whom some white Spaniards intermarried. Some did not.

    This is why you are confused -- you equate Mexicans and Central Americans, who are mostly Native American mixed with white Spaniards and who are some of the proudest and finest people to call themselves Hispanic, with all "Spanish" people. That's not the case. Not all Hispanics are Mexican. Not all Hispanics are multiracial. A great number are white. That's how two Spanish people can produce a white child.

    Can we get back to the Martin trial?
     
  19. Paul 13

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    I'm pretty sure I got bit by a mestizo the other day... itches like a *****.
     
  20. Ronnie Bass

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    Ahhhh, as soon as you said Spaniards=Spain I knew where you were going, and I know the Spanish-Portuguese sections in Newark well and their people as well and do know they consider themselves "Caucasians". Also the best restaurants in the state. And I know that CA Spanish and Europe Spanish are quite different from each other and if I wanted to get out of Newark without an ***-kicking never refer to them as being Hispanic.

    Carry on.
     
  21. cdz12250

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    I spent many years down neck eating at the Spanish Tavern and Tony da Caneca's. Now no one else is going to know what "down neck" is.
     
  22. White Hispanic is a racist code that means he is a non-priority minority. He is open game to vial attacks upon his character based on the assumption that he holds malice in his heart toward people who are different than he is.
     
  23. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Ask an elderly white skinned Cuban what race they consider themselves.
     
  24. MikeHoncho

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    The Mainstream Media is how the elite keep the upper middle / middle / lower classes oblivious to how badly they're getting ****ed. It's how they manufacture consent for baseless conflicts and wars. It's how they can jam whomever they want "elected" down the collective throat of the "electorate."

    Tune into the news and hear all about how different you are from your neighbor (let alone someone halfway around the globe). Divide and conquer.

    I'm thinking the almighty dollar plays a huge role in this, but the ultimate goal may be bigger yet.
     
  25. slickj101

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  26. RickyBobby

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    Let's not negate the facts here counsel.

    This 10-20-life thing is nothing new, are you saying its possible to wave that?
     
  27. RickyBobby

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    in my experience, this judge is not that bad.

    Are you talking about when she was scolding the arty for gz? She didn't do anything unusual,vthe atty was being stupid in regards to cutting of a judge when she's talking...that's a no no.
     
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    Directly questioning the Defendant is unusual, as usually the Atty states it for him.

    Add in suppressing the cell phone evidence.
     
  29. RickyBobby

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    again, the mother was on the stand testifying to the voice on the scream. The same exact thing happened with with the mother, father, uncle, and random neighbor of gz.

    While I somewhat agree, at least both sides www allowed to do it, and I would argue the defense put up more BS witnesses in their time
     
  30. RickyBobby

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    Okay, I guess if you want believe tm circled the truck of gz then there are a few different ways to look at that

    Why in the world would gz not ask the kids what's going on, I mean he did say tm looked suspicious.
     
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    Idk, we would then have both sides of the story and could then determine the facts.

    I think they would both get arrested and gz would be charged
     
  32. RickyBobby

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    I think you guys are missing the issues a lot of people have with this event.

    It's basically saying loser dies winner walks in a fight, its really ****ing scary IMO.

    I don't think anyone has brought up race being an issue as to why this is an outrage. But what really is scary is that you can start a fight and if you lose, you can kill the guy and guess what, impossible to prove that you weren't in fear for your life.

    Also the fact that this boy was walking home, in his neighborhood and doing nothing wrong. GZ, intentionally or unintentionally, was the judge, jury and executioner on that night, and that's not how this country was designed to work.

    I would not make a difference at all if tm were white.
     
  33. cdz12250

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    If he's convicted of manslaughter, which is lesser included, he gets the enhancement. That's not new. It's a risk he takes by going to trial. But the State trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole by dreaming up this cockamamie third degree murder charge, using the kid's age to bootstrap an aggravated child abuse charge that no one's talked about, let alone charged, before today... that's a little too creative. It's pulling a fast one to add another, totally new exposure to the minimum mandatory.
     
  34. slickj101

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    Of course not. I just thought it was common knowledge as the primary issue.

    It might not make a difference to you if TM was white, but with many, many people I guarantee it would.
     
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    lol maybe this will bring everyone together, even the pesky white-hispanic-asians.

    They are using it for the own reasons but I have heard a distinction between white-hispanics and dark-Hispanics before
     
  36. RickyBobby

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    Can you elaborate on why you feel the DA was retrying their case at closing?
     
  37. RickyBobby

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    Just don't call her Puerto Rican.
     
  38. RickyBobby

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    You don't object to a judges questioning your client, she ****s up its on here, the jury wasn't in the courtroom.

    I don't believe they brought anyone to testify to character of either individual, I believe that is why the phone records were suppressed.
     
  39. RickyBobby

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    The fact remains that he can convicted of a lesser charge and still get the mandatory minimum.
     
  40. cdz12250

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    That wasn't my point, though. My point was that the State was unfairly pushing the envelope in order to increase the chances of that happening.
     
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