And they usually put their foot in their ignorant mouths.. I can't believe Chris Broussard still works for Espn, I watched him literally said on national tv that he " believes it's a sin to lay with the same sex, and god will judge him"
Other people were saying he did. My point is that even if he was, why is that a black mark on him and not, say Michael Strahan?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/7/23/5929489/shut-up-tony-dungy Just stop, Tony Dungy. The hole is just getting deeper.
LMAO. OK. "I wouldn't have taken him" and "I'm on record saying I wouldn't have a problem drafting him" aren't contradictory statements...at all. Right?
Keith Olbermann goes in dry. In b4 "Keith Olbermann suxorz." [video=youtube;_vK42Tu7MLE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vK42Tu7MLE[/video] [video=youtube;XVka5t4BYfI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVka5t4BYfI[/video]
I'm glad Olbermann pointed out the obvious lie in Dungy's "clarification". The OWN announced the Michael Sam reality show on May 14th. They announced on May 16th that it was canceled. Did this interview take place on May 15th? No. Ira Kaufman said the interview happened a week or two ago. Dungy's trying to focus on the OWN project is transparent and really just digs himself into a deeper hole because he's grasping at straws.
If we soley judge him based on the fact that he said he wouldn't draft him based on the distraction Sam presents then he just admitted like olberman said, he isn't a good enough coach to take a stand and overcome, because he doesn't believe in what the stand is all about, because deep down he believes it's a sin.. He's busted.
Funny how folks like Steven A pretend like their intelligent all the time, but simply cannot conceptualize what's happened and how to articulate the problem with what dung said. Somebody please post that argument today between he and skip if you would like a laugh and why I absolutely think he is the worst.
Because he has not accomplished anything In his sport..hasn't even made a team..I don't think this dude is a crusader,I think he just wants to play football and be known for that, when he's done and has made his own mark in the league, then he can do what he wants. But being gay Has nothing to do with being a worse or better football player so why would someone who just wants to be known for his play capitalize on something that doesn't have to do with his play?
I get that most NFL players are narcissistic to one degree or another and it's natural to want exposure. I simply suspect he is more interested in it than most. Not like "Ochocinco interested", but up there.There is a lot of money to be made here, America is as ready as it ever has been for a gay player. More for Oprah than Sam I'm sure. It would be wise to try and cash in, especially because a NFL career is so short on average. From what I understand, he (or his agent) obviously made a mistake by not alerting the team or league first. This is possibly because they didn't consider the team or league first. The only other rookie I can think of that is rumored to be into a reality show is AJ McCarren, but I think we all know that is more Katherine Webb. Still ridiculous.
"I don't agree with his lifestyle"...translation...your going to hell, and I don't want you infecting my team..and I'm scared of what kind of distractions your sinning lifestyle will bring to my locker room, but if it's somebody else's team, good luck, I "love" you, aka, I'm praying for your dying sinning soul.
To put it another way, Michael Sam was a 7th round pick. It is entirely possible he does not make the 53 man roster based on his training camp. A reality show/documentary that endears viewers to Michael has the potential to inadvertently make "bad guys" out of the St Louis Rams. It's up a notch from likeable rookies getting cut on Hard Knocks.
Did you see the Vitriol aimed at JT for daring to participate in Dancing with the Stars? Lol. And he's a HOF'er. I don't know what Tony Dungy meant, means, or really wanted to say. But if a guy has a slim chance at making the team, and has the potential to be a huge media distraction, yeah I probably ain't picking him. Now you gotta answer why you cut him, is it because he's gay? Are you a homophobe? Who the hell wants to answer that? Of course, if I had a certain grade on him and he was far ahead of everyone else available, that's different. But when you have 30 players all ranked in the mess that is the 6th and 7th round, and you are concerned about the distraction, the choice is easy. If you don't think there will be a media distraction, well there's never a story then. When he had a bad Senior Bowl, then combine, there were pundits already saying the bad reviews and his draft stock was falling perhaps because of his sexual orientation. This is the slow time of the year and guess what, here's a distraction. Of course it's self-fulfilling because of Dungy, but if I had a 7th round grade on the guy, I'd think twice about drafting him. Could care less he's gay I'm not showering with him as the GM ... unless I wanted to of course.
Dungy has to refer to it as a lifestyle. To think of it as being born that way would mean that his perfect God made a mistake.
The sad and horribly ironic thing is that folks who perpetuate that god thinks your a sinner if your gay make gay folks start to feel not worthy, like they were a mistake being born, thus resulting in one of the highest reasons for suicide.. Little does he know he and others are killing people with his beliefs and lack of understanding.
I've never seen anything in the Bible that says being gay is a sin. The sin is having sex for recreation and not procreation and yes, that includes rubbing one out. It applies to everyone. There are scholars who postulate the Apostle Paul was gay and that's why he was celibate.
There's a gay guy that I interact with occasionally at work. When we do speak, I can see in his eyes and in his demeanor that he is comfortable and completely at ease around me as he knows he's not being judge and whatnot. I feel good about myself knowing that I'm not someone that would make him feel the opposite. No one should have to feel that way at work or else where in life.
There will be a day, maybe in my lifetime, maybe not, that all people will be welcome in western religions. Mark my words. They change policy and scripture to adapt to society and common sense all the time, way to be on the wrong side of things Tony. And all this talk of distraction. I mean sure there's a lot of *** out on the practice field, but im sure he'll be able to focus a little bit.
Yet the "deeply religious" people don't try and discriminate against masturbators the way they do gays. Weird how that works, eh?
Not to start a Bible discussion, but both the Old and New Testament describe either homosexual acts or homosexuality as a sin. It doesn't go into tremendous detail, but it is there. Leviticus twice, 1st Corinthians once, Romans once. Jesus does not mention it, other than to emphasize he's not around to "destroy" Mosaic law (i.e. Leviticus). But it's not like Christians are misreading it. Of course, I'm not one to put a lot of faith in a text that got the central moral question of humankind (slavery) wrong. That's just me. I'd also encourage football fans and players not to put a lot of stock in Mosaic law (looking at you Tebow), like getting crew cuts, handling pig skin and working on Sundays.
I will always mention this every chance I get, I'm sorry but I have to.. I was talking to an 11 year old girl, (best friends niece) she started talking about this boy in her class who has a pink backpack and acts just like a girl, I told her that there was nothing wrong with that, she corrected me saying that all her friends say he's gay, and that's a sin to. God.. Theres more than minimal chance that little boy will be dead in 6 years. Dungs religion and their youth teachers are teaching our children that it's wrong and against gods rules.. You cannot say such things to 11 year olds, their interpretation will cause dramatic negative effects on whoever they come Into contact with that fits their mentalities script..it's a baaaaaaaad situation. This is why this continuous cycle of hate and travesty will be just that..
At the end of the day, Dungy, or anyone in the NFL is ultimately responsible for....wait for it..winning football games. I'll leave the "social justice" effort for activists and BSPN As for Dungy advocating for Vick, has either one said "fighting dogs and killing the ones who lost in the most brutal, painful, manner possible is just fine"? Nope, Vick paid his price, does not fight dogs any longer and had remorse for doing what he did to the point iirc he won an award from a local humane society.
Been thinking about this, maybe - just a thought, it was because the media circus around Vick would be a temporary things because it was based upon a past event but the situation around Sam isn't based on an 'event' so might not be temporary. In a similar vein, while Vick's actions were awful, because they were based on an event/actions the potential for the media circus could be considered far less then the massive media movement surrounding the gay marriage issue which is a far bigger entity. Someone might fear getting caught up as part of that massive media storm where they wouldn't fear as much a storm centered on the past actions of one man. Maybe?
That could have been what DUNGY was thinking, but the logic of it is so messed up that it's hard understand it as anything but irrational hypocrisy. Sam had already come out of the closet. That had already happened, just as Vick had already been caught and punished as a dog fighter. Both things were in the past. And the "things will happen" remark in the initial interview, followed by Dungy's interview with Dan Patrick where he defended himself by saying "If I replaced the name 'Michael Sam' with 'Jonathan Martin' none of this would have been brought up"...points to Dungy's belief that there will be locker room issues due to Sam's being gay. Dungy has been careful to try and shift all of the blame onto media distraction, but I think he had more reason than that to say he'd avoid Sam.
Sam is gay and wants to play football. How is same sex marriage relevant? He's not saying that he wants to marry his coach. There are plenty of straight football players that have taken public stances on the issue.
Doesn't it actually call it an abomination and not a sin? I'm not trying to be a douche over semantics, but there are numerous silly things considered abominations: The anti-gay but pro death penalty guys will find this one interesting: I guess we better watch CSPAN or: This one covers pretty much everyone, no?
It's relevant as far as giving proper consideration to the potential fears a coach may have about being caught up in a media storm. That is to say, it's not inconceivable that the media would take 'just one gay man' and use him as a poster boy for the gay-marriage issue which is a national, international, massive media event. I was just saying that I can see how someone could be in a scenario with Vick and be prepared to face that scenario whereas they could look at the gay-marriage media coverage and not want to face that scenario and/or possible scenarios that might arise in the future, e.g., another player makes a comment or does something which is or is construed as homophobic and then that has to be dealt with. ...isn't that the central question here? If it is what he was thinking, then the witch-hunt is hardly called for. Is it? So that scenario I painted doesn't make sense? Except they're not remotely the same thing. Sam IS gay, that's a present and constant fact and is not something in the past, nor is the media issue around him, or the gay marriage issue, which is what Dungy said were the issues of concern - the media. Vick's situation was a media storm which came about because of his actions. The gay-marriage issue has been the source of massive media attention and some VERY passionate and serious language and events and doesn't stem from Sam or his actions but rather draws Sam into that and means that a coach or team wouldn't have to deal with just one man and his actions but rather risk getting caught up in world-wide events. This is a constant, on-going and overall much larger issue than Michael Vick's criminal actions. Which is an understandable fear. The Dolphins have gone through the ringer because of a player making allegations against other players of a bullying issue. It's understandable that a coach who has dealt with many players might fear that a current or future football player on the same team as Sam might do or say something which results in a far worse scenario than the Dolphins went through. It's all hypothetical, of course, but it's far from impossible. No? Maybe, but now we're straying into scary witch-hunt territory. Judge a man based on what he says and does, not what you think his hidden motives are. He has committed no crime, he has done nothing wrong, he has only given an answer to a question - and now a ton of people are attacking him for implied motives and supposed inconsistencies. In some ways, the hateful media response to his comments (which would seeks to bury him as a bigot) is a justification of the fears he said he might have felt if placed in that position.
It's pretty big abomination, making one eligible for the death penalty (Leviticus) and ineligible to inherit the Kingdom of God (Romans). Cross dressing and other no-nos don't get the same treatment. Now the warm and fuzzy thing about good Christians is that they constantly ask themselves, "What is the most loving thing I can do in this situation?" and try to do that. That would imply that Tony Dungy is not a good Christian, at least in this circumstance. I wish he would stop trying to be the moral voice of the NFL.
It makes the distinction sure, but the Bible also makes a pretty big effort to set aside the true 10 big no-nos and homosexuality is not on that that list. You'd think an offense that was a sin and reason to be put to death would make it onto the 10 Commandments. At this point in the world, we don't put people to death for adultery or theft.
As was said by someone else, I don't think this is a thread to turn into a discussion of theology and Biblical teaching. Suffice it to say, though, that this is a misunderstanding about the message of the Bible, the Gospel, and the role of the ancient Hebrew law.
I forgot an important detail In the story...she goes to a private religious school and told me they teachers told them it's a sin.
Because one has the potential to be a pro-bowler the other could be cut before camp starts. Like everything else in the world, costs/benefits. It's why you keep a Jared Allen and Vincent Jackson around despite multiple DUIs. But you'd cut a Patrick Turner, Jalen Parmele or Lex Hilliard if they got in half that much trouble.
