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Titans to start Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Actually, that was a great plan for their defense. And it worked. Who cares if he had all those years? He only scored one TD. The Patriots only had to score more than 14 points. The fact that they lost its a huge blemish on the offense, not on the defensive game plan. I feel like there was a coach who did that to us when we had Ricky running all over everyone.
     
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  2. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    People have already disproven your assertion that Tannehill wasn't making great throws in that game. Great throws don't matter if the receiver doesn't make the catch. That is where you get lost.
     
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  3. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    He doesn’t watch the games or doesn’t understand what he sees or ignores what he sees if it doesn’t fit his narrative. Simple as that. Have you ever seen him backup a point with game film, still shot, or play analysis? Ever?
     
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  4. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Not worth your, or anybody's time, really.
     
  5. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Really if he threw one bad ball he had a bad game and played bad. OK sure. They had 40 rushing attempts against 16 pass attempts. 1/3 completed for 1st downs. That's 4 attempts per quarter. 7 misses with 2 throw aways because everyone was covered and 1 sack. So that's one bad pass a quarter. Seems to me that he managed the game pretty well within the game plan they had which was running the ball.

    So your assertion is that playing the best defensive teams with the best defensive players has no bearing on how well he might play or that a high level defense shouldn't or wouldn't affect a QB's play. OK sure.

    So you agree that the weather does has a factor on play. Thank you.
     
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  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Even Romo said that 3rd and 8 conversion was the biggest throw in his life. And he hit it. He "didn't play well" on 2 plays. 2 plays where the offense touched the ball 57 times. Had a 2nd TD (on the run mid-stride, perfectly thrown in a pressure situation mind you) taken away 'cuz his receiver stepped out. Had 2 tight-window DIMES not count due to the refs. Ran for a few clutch 1st downs on 3rd down. Checked out of bad plays into good ones numerous times.

    He followed the coach's game-plan and play calling to a T...the man did his job. He did exactly what was asked of him, with the exception of those two plays, within the structure of the game and offense as envisioned by the coaches. I love seeing past Patriots out-coach Belicheat...especially 2 weeks in a row ;)

    Edit: The INT was a dumb throw...good decision, bad execution. Still, if not for a very heads-up athletic play by the defender, it just counts as an incompletion. Definitely poor execution though. Can't do crap like that going forward.
     
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  7. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What he said.
     
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  8. The Guy

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    First, the top priority for any game manager, or any quarterback whose being asked to accomplish game management in any single game, is ball protection. If your team isn't asking you to win the game, then you should sure as hell play cleanly and conservatively enough that you don't lose it.

    Tannehill threw an interception in just 15 pass attempts. That's a 6.7% interception rate, which would've been highest in the league in 2019. So, no, his game management was poor.
    Again the question is whether he's capable of playing in a way associated with winning in the playoffs. The playoffs contain the best teams in the league, and so if the features of the best teams in the league -- such as having good pass defenses -- suppress your performance, well then you might just be incapable of playing in a way associated with winning in the playoffs.

    You can't ask the question of whether a quarterback is capable of playing in a way associated with winning in the playoffs, and then when he doesn't play well in the playoffs, use something endemic to playoff football as an excuse for him.
    Yes, I agree with that. What I don't agree with is that good weather would've caused a change in his performance from what it was to something associated with winning. That's inconsistent with the findings in the article above. A 5 to 10% elevation in Tannehill's performance doesn't even come close to getting him from where he was to what's associated with winning.
     
  9. resnor

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    1. Tannehill needs to get to the playoffs. He does.
    2. Then it was he needs to win in the playoffs. He does.
    3. Now it is "He has to carry these team in the playoffs."

    BTW, WHO CARES what his int % is in one game? One game isn't statistically significant. Let's say they march through and win the Super Bowl, and he throws no more ints. Literally no one will give a crap about one his int % in game one.
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Why are we ignoring that he played the top ranked defense in his first ever playoff game? Relax.

    People are so desperate to be able to still call him not good enough.
     
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  11. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    His play was at about a 100 passer rating clip (100.35 to be exact). Other factors prevented it in the stat line, of course, but HIS portion of the work was much better than the stats show. If people continue to refuse the good things he does, they deserve zero attention or consideration when pointing out the bad. He was great/good at a far higher clip than he was bad...but those bads were REALLY bad unfortunately lol. The NFL doesn't work this way, but it's like that old codger saying in the military, "1 'aww crap' wipes out 100 attaboys."
     
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  12. Fin D

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    At this point, who the hell cares anymore.

    I mean, he's literally done EVERYTHING people said he couldn't do, from throwing deep, to winning "clutch", to getting into he play-offs, to winning in the playoffs, to leading the league in passer rating, on and on and on......

    The people still *****ing will never be swayed because Tannehill clearly took their girlfriend or stole their wallet or took a dump in their cereal. They are just sad, bitter and facts adverse people who refuse to admit when they're wrong.

    There's no stat, no game tape, no magic orientation of words that will change their absurd and pathetic minds.
     
  13. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Did they lose it?
     
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  14. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I actually did laugh out loud.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    This Titans @ Ravens game should be interesting...kind of a re-match, of sorts.

    2012 Super Bowl, Dean Pees (current Titans DC) was the Ravens' DC, going up against Greg Roman (current Ravens OC) as the Niners' OC. It was a high scoring affair with the Ravens coming out on top of the favored Niners.
     
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  16. Mcduffie81

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    OMG The Guy! WHY did you unblock me? I can see your nonsensical and agenda driven posts! Block me again!
     
  17. FinFaninBuffalo

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    He just blocked me again.... LOL.
     
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  18. PhinFan1968

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    Me too!! I'll take it.
     
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  19. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Imagine that? Tannehill didn't play well and it doesn't matter. It must be really nice playing on a good team.

    All I've been seeing this week is how Tommy Terrific didn't have any help. Boo F'in Hoo. I don't recall thoroughly enjoying two consecutive weeks this much in a long time.
     
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  20. Finatik

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    Looks like I made the "list" too.
     
  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    It boggles the mind...
     
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  22. PhinFan1968

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    Didn't have any help throwing the ball at feet, behind, otherwise off-target either.
     
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  23. Fin-O

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    Dude is'nt high n Tannehill, shouldn't be a death sentence as while I myself like him?? The jury hasn't quite adjourned.
     
  24. Mcduffie81

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    He doesn’t have to be high on Tannehill. But the lengths he goes to, to dispute how good Tannehill has been is borderline trolling.
     
  25. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Did a bunch of posts get deleted today? Lol...
     
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    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    “I don't like celebrity quarterbacks. We don't need those. We need battlefield commanders.”

    “Individuals play the game, but teams win championships.”

    -- Bill Parcells
     
  27. Puka-head

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    I get it...but leave the family out of it. That's just tacky.
     
  28. Pauly

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    Re-watched the game today. I mostly agree with you.

    There was a lot of blatant DPI that the refs weren’t calling, in fact the one time the Pats did get flagged was one of their less egregious fouls. Having said that I think Vrabel was wise not to challenge them because the refs in the playoffs allow teams to get away with more DPI than they do in the regular season and BB knows this and takes full advantage of it. Tannehill was putting the ball in places that should have either been caught or had DPI called on at least 5 of his incompletions by my count.

    On the other hand Brady wasn’t making good throws and having them erased by DPI or drops, he simply wasn’t very good on Saturday. He also had some good luck with a certain pick 6 being dropped. I also thought the Pats went overboard on relying on Brady because they were getting some solid contributions from their run game, but went away from that in the second half.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    No he isn’t, he’s just debating folks who have always been high on tannehill as a franchise Qb..
     
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  30. The Guy

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    The most glaring difference between Brady and Tannehill's performance the other night was in what they were being asked to do.

    Brady dropped back to pass on 62.7% of the Patriots' offensive plays. Tannehill dropped back to pass on 31.5% of the Titans' offensive plays. Tannehill essentially did roughly half of what Brady did in terms of the demand put on him to carry his team.

    Tannehill was being asked to be nothing more than a game manager. Brady was being asked to carry his offense.

    In the end they played similarly in terms of quality (not quantity), but you could say that's analogous to two gymnasts doing a floor exercise in the olympics, both of whom scored a 3.5 out of 10, though the degree of difficulty for one of them was far beyond what it was for the other.

    I think you also have to ask yourself why the QB with the highest passer rating in the league in 2019 was asked to be nothing more than a game manager in a close playoff game.

    Certainly Derrick Henry's outstanding performance facilitated that, but they were content to ride Henry and keep the game close, instead of taking the shots down the field that Henry's performance likely opened up, and potentially taking a bigger lead and pulling away. Apparently they viewed that as too risky, even with the QB with the highest passer rating in the league in 2019.
     
  31. Fin-O

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    I mean, he is coming off quite an underwhelming performance on paper Saturday. That is ammo for people who aren't or never were a RT believer.
     
  32. The Guy

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    My position on Tannehill has always been that he can play well, and has played well, 1) in non-clutch situations, and 2) against poorer pass defenses.

    He improved in that regard during the regular season in 2019. The question now is whether he can take the next step and translate that to playoff football.

    Obviously a quarterback who can't rise to the occasion in the playoffs has very little chance of winning a Super Bowl. So if you believe you can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Tannehill, he has to perform in a way associated with winning come playoff time, or your belief doesn't jibe with the evidence.

    Of course until now there's been no evidence to go on.
     
  33. resnor

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    Why don’t you do a study on QBs and how they fare in their first playoff game? Why don't you study how QBs fare against the top ranked defenses? I mean, Brady himself has had some real stinkers in the playoffs. So has Wilson. I got a 24 ban for razzing people over Wilson's awful performance for 3 1/2 quarters in a playoff game a couple seasons ago. Lol Acting like successful QBs always have great games in the playoffs is ridiculous.
     
  34. Fin D

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    Clutch isn't real in football. As a person who fancies themselves a person of logic and numbers, you should know every football game in an NFL season is a "must win" as there aren't enough games and too many teams for any game to not matter.
     
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  35. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Yet you have provided no evidence to support this.... none. What you continue to do is cherry pick the situations that support your predetermined narrative and ignore the situations that contradict your narrative.

    Since the Titans were 2-4 when he took over, every game has been clutch. He managed to perform at a RECORD PACE of efficiency over a 10 week period, yet you continue to claim he cannot perform in the clutch. Over that span, he had multiple game winning drives. Another way to measure clutch play is performance in the red zone. He has been excellent. He has the 2nd highest completion % inside the 20 and the highest inside the 10. He has the 2nd highest TD% inside the 20 and inside the 10 (behind only Lamar Jackson). His numbers are much closer to Jackson than they are to the 3rd place QB in either category. In other words, Jackson and Tannehill were the two most clutch QBs in the league with everyone else trailing behind.

    The Titans beat three teams (Patriots, Chiefs, Chargers) that finished in the top 8 in passing yards allowed, yet, you continue to claim that he cannot perform against better pass defenses.
     
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  36. FinFaninBuffalo

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    It looked to me like they were following the game plan. As long as NE kept 2 safeties high, they were going to pound them with the run. I do not understand why you are questioning a game plan that worked. You should be questioning why the Patriots would ask an underperforming QB to throw the ball so much when their running game was working in a close ball game (10 carries for 50 yards in the first half). That is the question you would ask if your purpose was to objectively understand the game. Instead, you are on a never ending quest to discredit Tannehill.
     
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  37. Hexonx

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    Lulz, yeah lateral move alright =P
     
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  38. The Guy

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    The above is what I said in post #16 of this thread, on October 17th.
     
  39. The Guy

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    Between 2010 and 2018 in the NFL, the correlation between era-adjusted passer rating differential (adjusting to 2018) and point differential, on a game-by-game basis in the playoffs (over 99 games total) is 0.67, meaning that "the quarterback duel" in the playoffs is a fairly strong determinant of which team wins and by how much.

    The Ravens had the second-best passer rating surrendered in 2019, at 77.5 (behind only the Patriots at 62.8). The Ravens also blitzed on defense more often than any other team in the league (on 54.9% of plays; Tampa Bay was second in the league at 43.4%).

    Lamar Jackson had the third-highest passer rating in the league in 2019, at 113.3. He also rushed for 1,206 yards on 176 carries (6.9 yards per carry).

    So this week Tannehill stands to face a team that, like the Patriots, can shut down opposing quarterbacks. In contrast to the Patriots, however, the Ravens' own quarterback performed very well in 2019, both passing and running the ball.

    So Tannehill has his work cut out for him this week, folks. Derrick Henry alone very likely isn't going to cut it against the Ravens.

    If you want to determine whether Ryan Tannehill has what it takes to help a team win a critical game in the playoffs, tune in this weekend.
     
  40. FinFaninBuffalo

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    You sure went out on a limb to predict that Tannehill wouldn't outperform two of the best QBs in the league, on the road, in the playoffs.... without help from his defense...... you should do this for a living.
     

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