Ryan Tannehill

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I dont disagree with the need to run the ball to keep defenses off balance.

I also wonder though if losing his job and not being "The Guy" anymore also lit a bit of a fire in him. Hes playing the way he was pre knee injury, which he wasnt here even on good days where the rest of the team stepped up.

I think it did more then light a fire under him. I think he got to let go of some of the pressure, I think he is playing loose and is letting his instincts come out a little bit. That was something that (I feel like) was frowned upon by his coaching staff here.

The Titans are also complimenting his skill set, and giving him a well rounded game plan.

He is having fun out there and it shows. I feel like he lost that here the last couple of years.

IF this continues Titans made the best offseason move we have seen in a long time.

As for making the playoffs... the 2 and 4 start hurts a lot, but I see them being in every game this year, so its not out of the question.

I just think he’s finally healthy and has gotten his timing back in terms of speed of the game and ball out of hand.

you miss essentially 2.5 years it can effect your timing.

Note that people are attributing Tannehill‘s recent performance to a mixture of internal and external variables, and so even if he continues his performance to the degree that it represents a significant difference from what he did in Miami, the question will still remain whether his performance in Miami was attributable to internal or external variables.

"The Guy wrote:

Note that people are attributing Tannehill‘s recent performance to a mixture of internal and external variables, and so even if he continues his performance to the degree that it represents a significant difference from what he did in Miami, the question will still remain whether his performance in Miami was attributable to internal or external variables.

Not really- the "why" is not as important as the actual results he's producing on the field. He's playing better, his surrounding cast is better and his coaches are letting him be Ryan Tannehill. Good for him.

"The Guy wrote:

Note that people are attributing Tannehill‘s recent performance to a mixture of internal and external variables, and so even if he continues his performance to the degree that it represents a significant difference from what he did in Miami, the question will still remain whether his performance in Miami was attributable to internal or external variables.

That sounds a little bit like back peddling... Its ok you can start liking Tannehill we won't hold it against you :)

The problem is the internal and external aren't independent. The external greatly impacts the internal. He is playing with more confidence because he has more faith in the surrounding team/coaches. He is playing better with a fresh start, because the environment here was toxic.

He needed the fresh start, and we need to be better than the crazy ex-girlfriend and recognize and appreciate the football that he is playing for the Titans. Honestly he is one of the most entertaining QBs to watch right now in the entire NFL, and that's saying a lot. He will have another bad game, most likely before the season ends, but its just not worth taking any satisfaction or glee in that bad game when it finally comes.

"KeyFin wrote:

Not really- the "why" is not as important as the actual results he's producing on the field. He's playing better, his surrounding cast is better and his coaches are letting him be Ryan Tannehill. Good for him.

The why is exactly what’s important in determining what sense to make of his performance in Miami. That’s the only relevance there is for the future of any Miami Dolphins fan whose primary concern can be whether the external variables that were possibly hindering Tannehill‘s performance in Miami could still be present and could potentially hinder the performance of present or future Dolphins quarterbacks.

I suspect this thread has the number of replies it does not because anybody is inherently interested in Ryan Tannehill’s future, but because they are inherently interested in the future of the Miami Dolphins.

"cbrad wrote:

So.. an update on Tannehill: he played real well today and his 2019 rating is now a whopping 111.39 (today's rating was 155.8) compared to a league average so far of 91.5.

And that's with 154 passing attempts so it's passed that minimum 150+ passing attempt reliability threshold I tend to set before using stats like passer rating in a discussion. He still has 5 games more to go, and unlike the past 6 games where 5 of the 6 were against teams with (so far) losing records he's now going to face 5 teams with winning records.

This will be interesting..

Remember all the arguments about if we could only have a top-10 QB again in Miami...or if Ryan Tannehill could ever be a top-10 quarterback? Well guess what? As of this week, Tannehill is #3 overall and Matt Moore is #10 (w/ 91 attempts).

We let not one but two top-10 QB's walk out the door!

"The Guy wrote:

The why is exactly what’s important in determining what sense to make of his performance in Miami. That’s the only relevance there is for the future of any Miami Dolphins fan whose primary concern can be whether the external variables that were possibly hindering Tannehill‘s performance in Miami could still be present and could potentially hinder the performance of present or future Dolphins quarterbacks.

I suspect this thread has the number of replies it does not because anybody is inherently interested in Ryan Tannehill’s future, but because they are inherently interested in the future of the Miami Dolphins.

First off, almost half this thread was you and others arguing about something else entirely off-topic.

Second, Tannehill was hurt all three seasons under Gase. Some here argued that you can't judge a QB playing hurt with a garbage offensive line, but the front office decided to ignore that factor and move on. That's on them. Gase absolutely insisted that most of RT's shortcomings were on surrounding talent and not him...yet very few listened.

Third, Tannehill has been strip-sacked in every game I've watched this season. His pocket presence is still lacking, but that's being off-set by a strong run game, better blocking and freedom to freelance whenever needed. It's like comparing apples to oranges from his time in Miami.

To understand why Tannehill is playing better this season, people first need to realize why they were wrong about some pre-conceived notions in the past. RT really hasn't changed other than confidence levels in the pocket (where he's still failing from time to time). He's just being asked to do less and when he doesn't have to carry an entire team on his back, he's a pretty darn good QB. But it's not just him- it's Henry, the offensive line, the defense, the receivers, etc. The team makes him better...and in turn he makes the team better. It's a perfect fit for him in that offense.

I also believe you're wrong about people here being interested in Ryan Tannehill...we watched him struggle for seven years as Miami fans. Of course some here want him to succeed just like we would any former Dolphin player. Tannehill, Wake, Minkah, Miller, Drake, etc....I'll be a fan of those guys for as long as they're in the league.

"The Guy wrote:

Note that people are attributing Tannehill‘s recent performance to a mixture of internal and external variables, and so even if he continues his performance to the degree that it represents a significant difference from what he did in Miami, the question will still remain whether his performance in Miami was attributable to internal or external variables.

Translation...

Tannehill still sucks

"KeyFin wrote:

Remember all the arguments about if we could only have a top-10 QB again in Miami...or if Ryan Tannehill could ever be a top-10 quarterback? Well guess what? As of this week, Tannehill is #3 overall and Matt Moore is #10 (w/ 91 attempts).

We let not one but two top-10 QB's walk out the door!

Tannehill is #3 after playing half the games that most other QB's on the starting QB list have played (filter by starting QB's below):
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm

That's the same kind of comparison as in 2016 where people were selectively looking at his "best 8 game stretch" and comparing it to everyone else's entire season. Let's wait till the end of the season before proclaiming Tannehill is somehow better in Tennessee than he was here. He's going to play 5 games against winning teams now where he'll most likely be relied on more than in previous games (except KC).

Also, Tannehill has been IN the top 10 mid-season many times. I mean.. after the first 3 games last year Tannehill had a whopping 121.85 rating! .. but finished ranked 20. So let's wait to see how the season ends.

btw.. it IS true that the last 5 games is statistically Tannehill's best 5-game stretch, even using adjusted ratings, but it's not statistically significant. He keeps this up it will be of course. But as I said before I doubt it.

I'm not surprised

That strip sack wasn’t on Ryan tannehill. Come on man that’s a pa set up. He’s set up exactly depth wise where’s he’s supposed to.

lol that’s on the depth tackle Ryan for giving up his outside shoulder

it wasn’t even a deep drop cause it’s not a shot play

I see no real difference in Tannehills play. He still throws the ball the same. He still can throw while rolling out. He can still take off and run the ball when its there. He still has the same problems in the pocket.

Difference is he has a strong running back and a decent offensive line.

He is the same guy he was in Miami. He was never the problem here. Just the scapegoat.

"Tin Indian wrote:

I see no real difference in Tannehills play. He still throws the ball the same. He still can throw while rolling out. He can still take off and run the ball when its there. He still has the same problems in the pocket.

Difference is he has a strong running back and a decent offensive line.

He is the same guy he was in Miami. He was never the problem here. Just the scapegoat.

To my eyes he looks very similar to the way he played when Ajayi was going gangbusters for us. He’s taken some hits and run over defenders converting TD rushes in the last 2 games, but I can’t remember any similar situations with us where he had to push through a tackle to make the TD.

The only difference I see is that while the Titans OL isn’t strong and they are allowing a lot of pressure, they aren’t whiffing completely on their blocks and allowing free rushers loose at him.

"Tin Indian wrote:

I see no real difference in Tannehills play. He still throws the ball the same. He still can throw while rolling out. He can still take off and run the ball when its there. He still has the same problems in the pocket.

Difference is he has a strong running back and a decent offensive line.

He is the same guy he was in Miami. He was never the problem here. Just the scapegoat.

I slightly disagree.

After his knee injury he stopped improvising here and wasnt much of a threat to roll out or run anymore. He is the same guy but pre-injury to me.

Check out his qbr as a starter.

only 5 games yes cause the titans went with trash mariota to start the year but it’s the highest in the league.

Tannehill seems ti have turned the corner. He is having an Alex Smith type of comeback. Good for him. We will be fine without him.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Tannehill seems ti have turned the corner. He is having an Alex Smith type of comeback. Good for him. We will be fine without him.

Five games is too soon to say he's "turned the corner" but I do agree that it appears to be the case so far. He needs to have a solid December (and playoff berth) to really get to the next level as a QB.

I've always thought he was capable though...that's just the enigma that's Ryan Tannehill. Really hoping he can change that narrative this season.

He just needs to control what he can control. Playoffs when you start 2 and 4 none of your own doing mind you as justification is a little much.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gil_Brandt?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Check out Gil Brandt’s twitter post on tannehill from November 25th on here.

Derrick Henry

One other thing I noticed after watching the last game.
Tannehill’s teammates in Tennessee are responding to him as a leader much better than his teammates in Miami ever did. I’ll not put forward any theories on why that has happened, but it does seem to be part of his success.

"Pauly wrote:

One other thing I noticed after watching the last game.
Tannehill’s teammates in Tennessee are responding to him as a leader much better than his teammates in Miami ever did. I’ll not put forward any theories on why that has happened, but it does seem to be part of his success.

I don’t agree with that. They were gravitating to him just fine right before Calais Campbell’s cheap shot shredded his knee.

"Pauly wrote:

One other thing I noticed after watching the last game.
Tannehill’s teammates in Tennessee are responding to him as a leader much better than his teammates in Miami ever did. I’ll not put forward any theories on why that has happened, but it does seem to be part of his success.

Honestly I think he earned that on his gutsy 2 pt conversion. Before that his teammates, hell, even his coaches were a little standoffish of him. Mariota was a popular guy in the locker room by all reports. What he has done in Tennessee, is nothing short of amazing. It has only been 5 games, but, if you have been watching, he isn't someone that's getting lucky on 50/50 balls, or playing not to lose. They guy is straight up running a offense like a champ. I always believed he was accurate, but the windows he is firing that ball into right now, and doing it without hesitation... just WOW.

This week will be interesting, Titan fans seem to view Indy at Indy as their Achilles heel. The Titans offensive line doesn't get a lot of credit for being good at pass protection, but from what I can tell, they are at least pretty consistent. They connect with the blocks and usually get beat by second moves and stunts, but it usually buys the 2 seconds needed to complete the play. I'm no offensive line expert, I don't know if its the running game thats preventing the defense from making a stouter effort to get past their guy, or if their linemen are just doing a better job of initially engaging the defender, but it makes the whole process seem more predictable and Tannehill is able to do a better job of using his internal clock.

Watching them play I can't help but get the feeling that our team was missing some basic fundamentals that would have helped out Tannehill a lot here.

"cbrad wrote:

By the absolute slimmest of margins however. Let me post the z-scores again because we're going to look at this when this season is over:

Tannehill z-scores:
2012: -0.8259
2013: -0.3630
2014: 0.3940
2015: -0.1698
2016: 0.3739
2018: -0.0167

So yes 2014 was technically the best but as you can see 2014 and 2016 are essentially identical. They were also the only years he was above average. What is Tannehill's z-score right now? It's a very impressive 1.0474. The average z-score for the entire offense for SB winners is 0.9389 so if Tannehill's current level is his average level this year then that's more than sufficient to build a SB team around.

But again.. sample size is small and nothing Tannehill has done so far statistically or otherwise is abnormal for 136 passing attempts.

And so it's clear what the statistical test will be at the end of the year, we'll do a 2-sample t-test for unequal samples sizes on his game-by-game ratings after adjusting ratings to a common year and compare his entire career in Miami vs. Tennessee to test whether those two sets of ratings "come from the same QB". We can also do an ANOVA to test whether the adjusted ratings from all years "come from the same QB" (this test separates the data by year).

Anyway.. that will show whether you can explain whatever Tannehill does in Tennessee given what he did in Miami by random variation alone, or whether there is something statistically significant with his performance in Tennessee.

It nice to see a rational post dealing with a QB's actual performance and what it means with regards to their current season.