Ryan Tannehill

Well, here it is almost a week after the Titans defeated the Patriots in the first round of the playoffs and everything I said was going to happen is still happening. “Yea he won, but”

Last week’s game was Tannehill’s first playoff game in his 7 year career. Did he have jitters? Probably so. First playoff game, going into the GOATs house, facing THE #1 ranked defense...helluva baptism by fire. Welcome to the playoffs. And yet he survived. The Titans as a team survived. Hard part’s over. Now let’s see how Lamar Jackson and the rest of the Ravens deals with the playoff jitters.

Ok, like my previous predictions, here’s the next. With the first playoff game behind him, Tannehill is going to put up a QBR of 117 or higher. Not saying the Titans are going to win (although that’s what I’m rooting for), but his level of play is going to be back at the level it was during the season. And guess what’s going to happen?

Sunday morning, if the Titans win, it’s going to be all of the “yea he won but” all over again. If the titans lose, it’s going to be all of the “see I told you so”...all over again.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Well, here it is almost a week after the Titans defeated the Patriots in the first round of the playoffs and everything I said was going to happen is still happening. “Yea he won, but”

Anybody who says that is implicitly defining a quarterback's individual performance in terms of whether his team wins or loses. That obviously isn't the best way to do it.

What I've been saying is actually the opposite: "yeah, they won, but ." If they would've lost and he played well I would've said that as well, without invoking the team's loss as a measure of his performance.
Last week’s game was Tannehill’s first playoff game in his 7 year career. Did he have jitters? Probably so. First playoff game, going into the GOATs house, facing THE #1 ranked defense...helluva baptism by fire. Welcome to the playoffs. And yet he survived. The Titans as a team survived. Hard part’s over. Now let’s see how Lamar Jackson and the rest of the Ravens deals with the playoff jitters.

Ok, like my previous predictions, here’s the next. With the first playoff game behind him, Tannehill is going to put up a QBR of 117 or higher. Not saying the Titans are going to win (although that’s what I’m rooting for), but his level of play is going to be back at the level it was during the season. And guess what’s going to happen?

Sunday morning, if the Titans win, it’s going to be all of the “yea he won but” all over again. If the titans lose, it’s going to be all of the “see I told you so”...all over again.

A passer rating of 117 or more (era-adjusted) in the playoffs has happened on 23 of the possible 198 occasions since 2010 (11.6% of the time), usually by the likes of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers during that time period.

If he has a passer rating of 95 or higher I'll call it a success for him, even regardless of how many passes he throws, and certainly regardless of whether they win or lose.

"Fin D wrote:

He was a failed HC in Cleveland.

Hoodie had SB rings before he was a HC and he turned around a losing franchise with the Browns before he took over the Patriots built by Parcells that had already been to multiple playoffs and a SB.

So what is your point bereft of context exactly?

People on this board either say Hoodie sucks or Brady sucks or Brady success is due to Hoodies coaching ability.

"The Guy wrote:

Anybody who says that is implicitly defining a quarterback's individual performance in terms of whether his team wins or loses. That obviously isn't the best way to do it.

What I've been saying is actually the opposite: "yeah, they won, but ." If they would've lost and he played well I would've said that as well, without invoking the team's loss as a measure of his performance.


A passer rating of 117 or more (era-adjusted) in the playoffs has happened on 23 of the possible 198 occasions since 2010 (11.6% of the time), usually by the likes of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers during that time period.

If he has a passer rating of 95 or higher I'll call it a success for him, even regardless of how many passes he throws, and certainly regardless of whether they win or lose.

Please give a breakdown of his 15 pass attempts. Surely that isn't some sort of Herculean effort. You really need to stop making statements of fact without proof to back them up. I can only assume that you can't back it up, since you won't give specifics. Honestly, that is a pretty cowardly way of engaging in a discussion. You set it up so you can't be proved wrong.

"resnor wrote:

Please give a breakdown of his 15 pass attempts. Surely that isn't some sort of Herculean effort. You really need to stop making statements of fact without proof to back them up. I can only assume that you can't back it up, since you won't give specifics. Honestly, that is a pretty cowardly way of engaging in a discussion. You set it up so you can't be proved wrong.

That would kill his argument completely, since if anybody who regularly watches football besides just stat-watching, watches those plays (also have to include the TD he threw where the receiver stepped out, he still made the throw), can tell you how difficult some of those were, particularly the 3rd and 8...and his portion of the play was absolute dime level on many. I wonder how an analyst on TV would sound if they said a QB throwing multiple dimes, wasn't playing at a level to contribute to a win? There have been several reports, both in press and telecast that have stated, "ya he made those big mistakes, but he made a lot of plays that contributed directly to the win."

And nobody's ignoring the 2 mistakes...they were huge mistakes. The INT being the worst of the 2. He made far more big throws out of the admitted small sample size...those 2 plays should in no way fully define his play.

Basics.

I thought the fumble was worse. The Int was a solid decision if the receiver was on the same page.

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Hoodie had SB rings before he was a HC and he turned around a losing franchise with the Browns before he took over the Patriots built by Parcells that had already been to multiple playoffs and a SB.

So what is your point bereft of context exactly?

People on this board either say Hoodie sucks or Brady sucks or Brady success is due to Hoodies coaching ability.

What was my point? Hmmmmm, let's seeeeeee.....oh yeah...he was a failed HC before coming to the Pats. The rings he won as a coordinator have literally nothing to do with his record as HC.

By the way, why are going back through posts to pull little bits out that you've already lost your shit over, again?

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Well, here it is almost a week after the Titans defeated the Patriots in the first round of the playoffs and everything I said was going to happen is still happening. “Yea he won, but”

Last week’s game was Tannehill’s first playoff game in his 7 year career. Did he have jitters? Probably so. First playoff game, going into the GOATs house, facing THE #1 ranked defense...helluva baptism by fire. Welcome to the playoffs. And yet he survived. The Titans as a team survived. Hard part’s over. Now let’s see how Lamar Jackson and the rest of the Ravens deals with the playoff jitters.

Ok, like my previous predictions, here’s the next. With the first playoff game behind him, Tannehill is going to put up a QBR of 117 or higher. Not saying the Titans are going to win (although that’s what I’m rooting for), but his level of play is going to be back at the level it was during the season. And guess what’s going to happen?

Sunday morning, if the Titans win, it’s going to be all of the “yea he won but” all over again. If the titans lose, it’s going to be all of the “see I told you so”...all over again.

I am really excited for the game because I feel like the Titans are one of the few out there that can slow down Baltimore (by dominating the time of possession). I don't know if the Titans can find a way to win either, but if they do somehow figure it out then they're one game away from the Super Bowl....how insane is that?

I HOPE they win....praying for that win....but we'll have to wait a few more days to find out.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

I thought the fumble was worse. The Int was a solid decision if the receiver was on the same page.

Ya mentally it was worse...but it didn't end up a turnover.

And one of the other arguments we had years back, for a few years, was that because of the Dolphins' quarterback's surroundings, Brady couldn't have any more success here than Tannehill. It was stated by several of us, even realizing there was really no way to prove it at the time...it's just how we felt from watching the play. Well, I think this year's Patriots team gave us a chance to re-visit.

What 2019 team does this sound like?

- Average to below average line in both passing and rushing.
- Below average overall receiving corps.
- Defense that started strong yet faltered the 2nd half of the season.
- Unreliable kicking game.
- Non-premier running-back.
- Finished the season weak, going 4-4 in their last 8 games.

Nope...not the Dolphins...but the 2019 Patriots. What was Brady's result?

- 88.2 Passer Rating (21st in the NFL)
- 61.1 Completion % (29th in the NFL)
- 6.6 YPA (26th in the NLF)
- 18 Passing TDs (13th in the NFL)

We finally saw a Patriots team that could more somewhat closely resemble the Dolphins from 2012-2016, at the Offensive Line and other places, and look at that result. Remember I said CLOSER resemble...not that they were as bad. And New England STILL has the "GOAT" HC and his favorite OC / play-caller. LARGE New England edge in coaching compared to 2012-2019 Dolphins. We've ALWAYS heard Brady makes chicken salad out of chicken turds, what happened? Maybe he had much better teams in the past? Could it be?

Now let's have a look in on Tannehill from 2012-2016, by averaging year-end numbers:

- 86.5 Passer Rating (pretty close)
- 62.8 Completion % (pretty close)
- 7.1 YPA (pretty close)
- 21 Passing TDs (again...pretty close)

The "GOAT" QB...ever in the history of the NFL...nobody better ever...turned in roughly the SAME numbers as 2012-2016 Tannehill in key passing statistics.

Staggering...

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

And one of the other arguments we had years back, for a few years, was that because of the Dolphins' quarterback's surroundings, Brady couldn't have any more success here than Tannehill. It was stated by several of us, even realizing there was really no way to prove it at the time...it's just how we felt from watching the play. Well, I think this year's Patriots team gave us a chance to re-visit.

What 2019 team does this sound like?

- Average to below average line in both passing and rushing.
- Below average overall receiving corps.
- Defense that started strong yet faltered the 2nd half of the season.
- Unreliable kicking game.
- Non-premier running-back.
- Finished the season weak, going 4-4 in their last 8 games.

Nope...not the Dolphins...but the 2019 Patriots. What was Brady's result?

- 88.2 Passer Rating (21st in the NFL)
- 61.1 Completion % (29th in the NFL)
- 6.6 YPA (26th in the NLF)
- 18 Passing TDs (13th in the NFL)

We finally saw a Patriots team that could more somewhat closely resemble the Dolphins from 2012-2016, at the Offensive Line and other places, and look at that result. Remember I said CLOSER resemble...not that they were as bad. And New England STILL has the "GOAT" HC and his favorite OC / play-caller. LARGE New England edge in coaching compared to 2012-2019 Dolphins. We've ALWAYS heard Brady makes chicken salad out of chicken turds, what happened? Maybe he had much better teams in the past? Could it be?

Now let's have a look in on Tannehill from 2012-2016, by averaging year-end numbers:

- 86.5 Passer Rating (pretty close)
- 62.8 Completion % (pretty close)
- 7.1 YPA (pretty close)
- 21 Passing TDs (again...pretty close)

The "GOAT" QB...ever in the history of the NFL...nobody better ever...turned in the SAME numbers as 2012-2016 Tannehill in key passing statistics.

Staggering...

I mean...he is 42 years old.

Viewed a few Raven games and their defense is as good as their offense. Yeah, Lamar Jackson is a stud, and Roman has done an excellent job of maximizing his talent and the offense as a whole while using the pistol and motion to exploit matchups to gain numbers up the middle or on the edge. But that defense . . . damn. I like their belligerent style.

You can scheme up pressure without true pass rushers, and that's exactly what they are doing. Martindale calls a very aggressive game and his secondary plays very well despite being often left on an island due to a blitz heavy scheme. While the Ravens sack numbers fall below the league average, it's the pressure applied plus the discipline of their secondary that sets them apart. They play an array of coverages, mask them well, and most importantly seem to communicate and adjust on the fly better than most defenses I've studied, and that extends beyond just this season. Crowding the LOS, disguising blitzers, and then overloading gaps vs the pass is one of their fortes that they have excelled at this season under Martingdale. They also take a lot of pride in shutting down the run, and are just as successful when the time calls for it.

I would be very surprised if the Titans came out victors in the matchup. But that stands for any offense vs Baltimore's defense, and has zero to do with Tannehill at QB. Heck, I can't see anyone doing much damage and coming out on top vs the Ravens, regardless of who is playing the QB position. I expect them to win the SB barring any outrageous unforeseen circumstances.

"Fin-O wrote:

I mean...he is 42 years old.

He is...and he insists, as do numerous analysts, pundits, etc, that he hasn't fallen off...just the targets have.

Edit: I guess it's also fitting that, much like Tannehill did, Brady has fans begging for him to leave/retire.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Viewed a few Raven games and their defense is as good as their offense. Yeah, Lamar Jackson is a stud, and Roman has done an excellent job of maximizing his talent and the offense as a whole while using the pistol and motion to exploit matchups to gain numbers up the middle or on the edge. But that defense . . . damn. I like their belligerent style.

You can scheme up pressure without true pass rushers, and that's exactly what they are doing. Martindale calls a very aggressive game and his secondary plays very well despite being often left on an island due to a blitz heavy scheme. While the Ravens sack numbers fall below the league average, it's the pressure applied plus the discipline of their secondary that sets them apart. They play an array of coverages, mask them well, and most importantly seem to communicate and adjust on the fly better than most defenses I've studied, and that extends beyond just this season. Crowding the LOS, disguising blitzers, and then overloading gaps vs the pass is one of their fortes that they have excelled at this season under Martingdale. They also take a lot of pride in shutting down the run, and are just as successful when the time calls for it.

I would be very surprised if the Titans came out victors in the matchup. But that stands for any offense vs Baltimore's defense, and has zero to do with Tannehill at QB. Heck, I can't see anyone doing much damage and coming out on top vs the Ravens, regardless of who is playing the QB position. I expect them to win the SB barring any outrageous unforeseen circumstances.

Dude...I can't see anybody beating them through the Super Bowl. They've got to be one of the best 3 teams I've ever witnessed. Deadly everywhere. Oh, and have a RIDICULOUS kicker to boot. Insane.

Titans are jumping into a wood-chipper.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

He is...and he insists, as do numerous analysts, pundits, etc, that he hasn't fallen off...just the targets have.

Yea, I don't blame anyone but father time for Brady's decline. Sure his pass catchers are pretty bad, but so was he.

I've wanted that dude to retire for the past 17 years.....now?? I HOPE he comes back to NE another year.

"Fin-O wrote:

Yea, I don't blame anyone but father time for Brady's decline. Sure his pass catchers are pretty bad, but so was he.

I've wanted that dude to retire for the past 17 years.....now?? I HOPE he comes back to NE another year.

Which is interesting...because it really looks possible he goes to the Chargers. They're loaded out with targets compared to New England, and they'd likely pay him more than BB would. What you think?

Edit: And FWIW, per PFF:

Highest accuracy+ pass percentage
Tom Brady, New England Patriots
Brady leads the way in “accuracy+” or “perfect” passes by our grading. Whether leading receivers away from the leverage of defenders or hitting them in stride to optimize yards after the catch, Brady is annually the league's best, and he's pacing the NFL once again, even in a down season."

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Viewed a few Raven games and their defense is as good as their offense. Yeah, Lamar Jackson is a stud, and Roman has done an excellent job of maximizing his talent and the offense as a whole while using the pistol and motion to exploit matchups to gain numbers up the middle or on the edge. But that defense . . . damn. I like their belligerent style.

You can scheme up pressure without true pass rushers, and that's exactly what they are doing. Martindale calls a very aggressive game and his secondary plays very well despite being often left on an island due to a blitz heavy scheme. While the Ravens sack numbers fall below the league average, it's the pressure applied plus the discipline of their secondary that sets them apart. They play an array of coverages, mask them well, and most importantly seem to communicate and adjust on the fly better than most defenses I've studied, and that extends beyond just this season. Crowding the LOS, disguising blitzers, and then overloading gaps vs the pass is one of their fortes that they have excelled at this season under Martingdale. They also take a lot of pride in shutting down the run, and are just as successful when the time calls for it.

I would be very surprised if the Titans came out victors in the matchup. But that stands for any offense vs Baltimore's defense, and has zero to do with Tannehill at QB. Heck, I can't see anyone doing much damage and coming out on top vs the Ravens, regardless of who is playing the QB position. I expect them to win the SB barring any outrageous unforeseen circumstances.

There have been good performances by quarterbacks against the Ravens’ defense this season.

High volume:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201909220kan.htm

Low volume:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201912010rav.htm

There’s no reason why the quarterback with the highest regular season passer rating in the league can’t replicate something within that range against them.

"The Guy wrote:

There have been good performances by quarterbacks against the Ravens’ defense this season.

High volume:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201909220kan.htm

Low volume:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201912010rav.htm

There’s no reason why the quarterback with the highest regular season passer rating in the league can’t replicate something within that range against them.

In all honesty and sincerity, your stats tell very little about the actual game played.

"The Guy wrote:

There have been good performances by quarterbacks against the Ravens’ defense this season.

High volume:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201909220kan.htm

Low volume:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201912010rav.htm

There’s no reason why the quarterback with the highest regular season passer rating in the league can’t replicate something within that range against them.

Until you can breakdown the 15 throws and show what you believe made the throw poor, you're wasting everyone's time. What about Tannehill's throws in that game was poor?

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

In all honesty and sincerity your stats tell very little about the actual game played.

Then please, tell us what actually happened in those games, and show us how it’s different from what the statistics indicate.

"The Guy wrote:

Then please, tell us what actually happened, and show us how it’s different from what the statistics indicate.

We're still waiting on you to breakdown Tannehill's 15 throws and what made them poor.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Viewed a few Raven games and their defense is as good as their offense. Yeah, Lamar Jackson is a stud, and Roman has done an excellent job of maximizing his talent and the offense as a whole while using the pistol and motion to exploit matchups to gain numbers up the middle or on the edge. But that defense . . . damn. I like their belligerent style.

You can scheme up pressure without true pass rushers, and that's exactly what they are doing. Martindale calls a very aggressive game and his secondary plays very well despite being often left on an island due to a blitz heavy scheme. While the Ravens sack numbers fall below the league average, it's the pressure applied plus the discipline of their secondary that sets them apart. They play an array of coverages, mask them well, and most importantly seem to communicate and adjust on the fly better than most defenses I've studied, and that extends beyond just this season. Crowding the LOS, disguising blitzers, and then overloading gaps vs the pass is one of their fortes that they have excelled at this season under Martingdale. They also take a lot of pride in shutting down the run, and are just as successful when the time calls for it.

I would be very surprised if the Titans came out victors in the matchup. But that stands for any offense vs Baltimore's defense, and has zero to do with Tannehill at QB. Heck, I can't see anyone doing much damage and coming out on top vs the Ravens, regardless of who is playing the QB position. I expect them to win the SB barring any outrageous unforeseen circumstances.

Also, one of the keys about that defense, is they've gotten MARKEDLY better since picking up that CB Marcus Peters. Last half of the season, they are strongly #1 in most relevant defensive categories. Their only losses were before acquiring Peters.

"The Guy wrote:

Then please, tell us what actually happened, and show us how it’s different from what the statistics indicate.

LOL. It would be a complete waste of my time, which is ever so more evident by your interactions with other posters on this board. In fact, I'd be surprised if you could ID a simple C2 shell in real time, let alone the coverage rotations and adjustments used by Martingdale that would be described. Get lost.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Also, one of the keys about that defense, is they've gotten MARKEDLY better since picking up that CB Marcus Peters. Last half of the season, they are strongly #1 in most relevant defensive categories. Their only losses were before acquiring Peters.

Peters is a perfect example of the Raven's acquisition to further Martingale's philosophy of being able to scheme pressure without a plethora of pure pass rushers while maintaining a sound defensive backfield.

"The Guy wrote:

Didn’t figure you’d do it.

I'm not likened to Marty McFly, so calling me chicken isn't going to work.