Ryan Tannehill

"cuchulainn wrote:

You're missing his 1st down in the 3rd quarter where he picked up 3 yards on 3rd and 1. The run play you mention was another 3rd down conversion where it was 3rd and 2 and he again picked up 3 yards.

That was the read option call right?

Without Derrick Henry and tbe looks tbe patriots gave them they aren’t gonna play the same game.

you call the game relative to what your gameplan is and what the defense shows you and what works.

was there ever a doubt that Tennessee’s best bet was to shorten that game?

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Tell that to his OC...you obviously couldn't tell what was going on...wow.

It’s not about his OC calling those plays..you don’t wait until late fourth quarter to establish his own threat as a runner.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

No no McDuff...he's supposed to ignore the OC and wing it the entire game, throwing for hundreds of yards and running for hundreds more. It's all on him, the rest of the team and coaches don't matter, cuz he's supposed to KNOW BETTER!

Silliness.

I don’t think I’m being unfair by saying Ryan didn’t play a good game..

I think I’m being fair to say most qbs in the nfl could of won that game for the titans.

Someone show me on tape where the pats played the Ryan Fitzpatrick led dolphins the same way they played the titans on d last night.

Belichick gameplans specifically for the opponent even he will tell you that

Didn't look like Ryan being the focal point was ever the game plan last night, I mean they only called 15 pass plays. It was clear they were riding Henry in that game which is what most thought would happen.
Tannehill did what he was supposed to do and the Titans won.

Next week they will need more from him and we will see if he can deliver. If he goes out and stinks up the place then it may be a different story but thats a future discussion.

Congratulations and thanks to the Titans for a great win!

A nice tag team from the Fins and Titans for ridding the league of the Patriot Boogeyman.

Also I’m sure the vast majority of those titan passes last night were play action working off of the run game. And there was still plenty of pressure or coverage on the vertical concepts

And how awesome was it that, most likely, Tom's Last Patriot Pass was a pick 6!

"Tin Indian wrote:

Didn't look like Ryan being the focal point was ever the game plan last night, I mean they only called 15 pass plays. It was clear they were riding Henry in that game which is what most thought would happen.
Tannehill did what he was supposed to do and the Titans won.

Next week they will need more from him and we will see if he can deliver. If he goes out and stinks up the place then it may be a different story but thats a future discussion.

Congratulations and thanks to the Titans for a great win!

A nice tag team from the Fins and Titans for ridding the league of the Patriot Boogeyman.

I agree but I think the scoreboard and the sticks dictated the titans gameplan and in game sticking to plan a. Not to mention the pats offense wasn’t doing much.

Not to mention I’m sure the titans felt like the pats secondary had an advantage.

particularly the corner level which had played really well all year. All 3 of those guys.

losing mccourty imo was huge the last 2 weeks

"resnor wrote:

I get what DJ is talking about with regards to Tannehill. Tannehill is awesome running plays as designed. However, he doesn't do well going off script, or creating a play out of a broken play. Which is fine. But I get what he means.

I’m serious when I say I’m rooting for him, all Iam doing is measuring his play compared to what I want for our team..

"The Guy wrote:

The two things are linked because a buzzer-beater was needed in part because of Wade's poor performance. This is in essence why you said Tannehill's performance "won't be enough going forward," because you can't rely on the equivalent of a buzzer-beater in terms of improbability (i.e., Derrick Henry's over 200 total yards, the opposing QB's poor performance, etc.) every week, to overcome that degree of poor quarterback play.

If I start a fire and then grab a hose and extinguish it, I still started it. Again, Tannehill's performance wasn't "harmless." If the question was whether he could make single positive plays in a difficult playoff game, then I'll agree, he answered that question affirmatively. If the question was whether he could play overall in the playoffs in a way that's associated with winning, he still has to answer that one.

Again, you're talking about whether a player could have done more or had a better game.

Like I said it has nothing to do with if you helped them win. If the team won, everyone on that team who made any play helped them win.

What you're describing is if its repeatable and consistent, it isnt, but it was enough to help win the game yesterday.

I wouldnt have considered everything answered even if he had a great game. He lived to fight another day which is all that matters at this point. We will see if he can up his game.

"djphinfan wrote:

Ryan Fitzpatrick played better against that same defense on the road one week earlier..using his arm and legs, Pats had a lot to play for..

When Ryan Tannehill figures out he needs to be a dual threat qb then he will prove me wrong..

If the pass game isn’t working great, then take matters into your own hands and find another way to win..like Fitzpatrick does with far less talent..

I just can’t believe this. This is silly. So until Ryan Tannehill plays like Ryan Fitzpatrick you won’t be proven wrong?

BTW Fitzpatrick taking over games equates to a career .399 win/loss %.

Tannehill is at .505 win/loss %.

And historically Tannehill runs for 1.8 yards less per game.

Tannehill is a budding star and Fitzpatrick is a good story.

"resnor wrote:

I get what DJ is talking about with regards to Tannehill. Tannehill is awesome running plays as designed. However, he doesn't do well going off script, or creating a play out of a broken play. Which is fine. But I get what he means.

Yes I get what he means and likes to see, too. But that’s not nearly as important as some think.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

First paragraph in the WCVN Boston article posted online I just stumbled on:

“New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said the Tennessee Titans "made some key plays in critical situations" that were the difference in the team's 20-13 AFC Wild Card loss Saturday night.”

That ends the debate.

On top of that, Belichick paid Tannehill the ultimate compliment. He chose to take away the PA game, not the running game. He knew his defense couldn't stop them with the more conventional defensive approach, he had to have his guys locked into ONE phase, to take the decision out of their play. And it worked...the targets were covered well all game.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

On top of that, Belichick paid Tannehill the ultimate compliment. He chose to take away the PA game, not the running game. He knew his defense couldn't stop them with the more conventional defensive approach, he had to have his guys locked into ONE phase, to take the decision out of their play. And it worked...the targets were covered well all game.

And when Tannehill threw the ball it was with pinpoint accuracy. There were multiple uncalled PI penalties.

The TD pass at the beginning of the game was spectacular. Don’t forget it was 3rd and 10! It was also outside of the 10yard line. He had pressure right away and delivered a strike in an obvious passing situation.

Was anyone else confused when they sent out Mariota? Seriously, keep that guy on the bench... jesus

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Again, you're talking about whether a player could have done more or had a better game.

Like I said it has nothing to do with if you helped them win. If the team won, everyone on that team who made any play helped them win.

What you're describing is if its repeatable and consistent, it isnt, but it was enough to help win the game yesterday.

I wouldnt have considered everything answered even if he had a great game. He lived to fight another day which is all that matters at this point. We will see if he can up his game.

It sounds like we're agreeing pretty much about the highlighted portion above, which is the main point in my opinion. I think the way I would phrase that is that it was bad, and it's more often than not a major contributor to a loss, but it wasn't so bad that it couldn't be overcome by the rest of the team, due to its performance in that particular game.

The other main point for me is that the team is unlikely to get that sort of performance from the rest of its team again. They're highly unlikely to hold a playoff-caliber opposing QB to a passer rating so low (Brady's 59).

Just to give that some context, take the 22 playoff games that have occurred since 2004 in which one team had a passer rating between 55 and 67 (similar to Tannehill's yesterday) and the opposing team had a passer rating of 85 (roughly average) or higher. The team with the passer rating of 85 or higher has won 18 of those 22 games (82%). The four wins by those 22 teams with lower passer ratings were by an average margin of 2.8 points, and two of those games were won by just a single point -- those teams squeaked by.

So if Tannehill performs similarly next week and Lamar Jackson has just a typical performance for him -- let alone something extraordinary for him -- the Titans will have very little chance of winning. They'll need an even more herculean performance from Derrick Henry in that event, and I'm not sure that's possible.

So Tannehill has to come to play overall next week, or we won't be able to take single plays he made here and there and say they helped his team win.

Yeah, I feel like BB was completely content to let Henry run wherever he wanted. And, in fairness, it worked. The Patriots only had to score more than 14 points to win that game. Too bad for them their offense is terrible.

"Tin Indian wrote:

Didn't look like Ryan being the focal point was ever the game plan last night, I mean they only called 15 pass plays. It was clear they were riding Henry in that game which is what most thought would happen.
Tannehill did what he was supposed to do and the Titans won.

Next week they will need more from him and we will see if he can deliver. If he goes out and stinks up the place then it may be a different story but thats a future discussion.

Congratulations and thanks to the Titans for a great win!

A nice tag team from the Fins and Titans for ridding the league of the Patriot Boogeyman.

Tannehill didn't do what he was supposed to do. If your team is going to ride its running game and make you pass the ball very infrequently, what you need to be is a game manager, protect the ball first and foremost, and not take sacks. If your team isn't asking you to win the game, then you sure as hell shouldn't play in a way that could lose it. You simply play a clean and conservative game and let the other parts of your team win it.

Tannehill however threw a pick on just 15 attempts -- that's a 6.7% interception rate, which would've been highest in the league in 2019. He was also sacked once and fumbled twice.

Again, the team won in spite of Tannehill. And that's highly unlikely to happen again if he plays similarly.

"djphinfan wrote:

Like I said, Brady has played from the pocket at the highest levels, under tremendous conditions, huge sample size..

Without Derrick Henry Ryan’s personal performance was not up to par in playoff football..

As was pointed out earlier, Tom Brady’s first playoff game performance was less than stellar as well

I’m still seeing a lot of depth safeties in the second half. Difference i see is the patriots went to that 6 man/bear front. Which given the safety depth still means run the ball but it’s real hard to outflank so everything’s got to be north and south and it’s tough. Unless you can break thru into that second level.

Also seeing a lot of drop zone behind it coverage wise.

I would think tbe flats would be where you make hay in the passing game and I don’t see much flats usage from the titans.

On the tanny int I think he was throwing a 50/50 ball to #84 but he didn’t locate the ball early and the ball floated on him. Nice play by the safety there to come up with the pick

titans tried to get that tight end isoed on tbe replacement safety for Chung and when they did they made the pats pay.

Tannehill helped his team beat the Patriots . . . in the playoffs.

Naysayers can kindly . . . well, fluff off. Dude has the goods, and always has.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Tannehill helped his team beat the Patriots . . . in the playoffs.

Naysayers can kindly . . . well, fluff off. Dude has the goods, and always has.

He might have the goods, but they weren't shown yesterday. And whether he can demonstrate the goods in big games has always been an issue with him, and still is.

3rd and 5 finally sees single high with robber running underneath the sticks concepts he makes a hell of a throw to the back for an 8 yard gain. Should have gone for more but Gilmore played it really heady to come off his carry coverage

second half #54 for the pats is really showing up off tackle to off tackle

Next week Tannehill is going to have to play better than he did last night, and I’m willing to bet you’ll see a much better performance. Derrick Henry is going to be crucial against Baltimore’s stout run defense. Tennessee is going to have to assert themselves to the run in order to loosen up their secondary. What concerns me more about next week is not Tannehill nor Tennessee’s offense, but their defense.

Now Tennessee stepped it up defensively last night against the Patriots but their defense didn’t have to worry about Tom Brady cutting loose and running for 20 yards here and there at a pop. Lamar Jackson will. Tennessee is going to have to contain Jackson and keep him in the pocket, much like the strategy that was often employed against Michael Vick with the Falcons for success.

If Tennessee falls next week, I truly don’t believe it will be on the Titans offense, but their defense.