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Titans, Haynesworth far apart on deal

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by syborg, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. syborg

    syborg New Member

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    http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=65845

    Could Haynesworth end up in Miami if no deal is reached before his FA on the 27th. .

    Would you all be happy for him to come over or do you think we should go in a different direction?

    Is his temper too much for a parcells led regime. .
     
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  2. HULKFish

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    WOW! Haynesworth and Porter on the same D would be volitile and scary! I don't know though, if they had him in maybe they could have some success without the ugliness returning. Happens every year and him and Ferg would be a HELLUVA combo! If I had to choose though I'd rather sign Karlos Dansby or both would be a dream!
     
  3. anlgp

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    I'd rather continue getting younger.
     
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  4. Larry Little

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    I would LOVE to have Haynesworth in Miami. He may be THE most dominant defensive player in the league, period.

    That being said... the chances of the Titans letting him test free agency are, IMHO, extremely slim... and if he does, in fact, hit free agency, we'd be in a bidding war with over half the league to land him. His contract is going to be ridiculous.
     
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  5. azfinfanmang

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    Just say NO to Phat Albert pleae.
     
  6. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I'd rather continue getting better.
     
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  7. anlgp

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    you can get better and younger.
     
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  8. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    You can, but too many people automatically equate getting younger with getting better. IMO, it's a big mistake to just dismiss a player for the sake of getting younger. Besides, Haynesworth will only be 28 by the time the season starts. You really want to turn a blind eye to one of the best defensive players in the NFL who's just entering the peak of his career? I can think of other reasons to be leery of him, but age isn't one of them.
     
  9. The Aqua Crush

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    Hasn't Haynsworth been having more frequent injury problems the past couple season? I know this year for sure he did. For a big guy who has trouble staying on the field, it woudl be a sad loss if you overpaid a bidding war for him, relied on him and then had to cope without his services should he go down. Thats a big risk imo, and who's saying you couldn't draft a guy who would be 23 who could end up being coached right and have the same impact as Haynsworth in a couple years?

    I don't think the price is worth the risk. There's no denying when he's in, he's an incredible football player but you really have to trust he'd stay healthy and for that kind of mega contract he'll be asking for i dont' think its worth it. Give me 3-4 younger healthier players at several positions anyday.
     
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  10. djphinfan

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    I love our homerism on this board, were willing to dismiss a great player because deep down, we want our own guy, a true dolphin that bleeds the aqua......i understand.
     
  11. Ultra

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    I woudn't want him, I still remember that play where he kicked off a guys helmet and stomped on his face.
     
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  12. HardKoreXXX

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    If he were playing for the Dolphins and that was Tom Brady's face would you feel the same way?
     
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  13. anlgp

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    does he give 100% all the time?

    after he gets the big money does he shut down?

    i'll bring in young guys who are chomping at the bit to get an NFL job.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    The man is a beast at his position, much respected by the rest of the NFL in terms of his talent, i dont feel a strong vibe about him though, is he a team player?, can we repsect his personality?, iam not the kind of fan that will sell my soul just for talent.
     
  15. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I did say there were other reasons to be leery of him, and I'm not saying he isn't a risk, but I think the notion that you can just go out and get a young, hungry kid to man the position is a leap of faith in and of itself.

    Dominant players just don't grow on trees. I'm very confident in Ireland and Parcell's drafting acumen, but they're not perfect. I don't know if Haynesworth is the guy for this team, but sooner or later we're probably going to have to make at least one investment in a free agent that's a proven commodity.
     
  16. Kanye West

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    I really dont want Albert Haynsworth. I would like to get younger and Albert Haynsworth some time can be a distraction.
     
  17. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    If the Patriots were that afraid of taking a chance they never would have reaped the benefits Randy Moss gave them, unless you actually think the younger Chad Jackson was just not given a fair opportunity.
     
  18. bbqpitlover

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    How do we pay for this guy? We have many of our players to resign, so I can't see how would could afford this guy.
     
  19. anlgp

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    we'll take a chance at someone. if the FO picks haynesworth they've got my confidence (and they might) but I'd just rather us draft guys. if we have to pick a vet FA we should do it at the WR spot in my opinion because that's where we're lacking more than a vet at T.
     
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  20. Kanye West

    Kanye West 'Parcells' Guy

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    I am with you bro. I would rather draft a guy because I feel sense we are rebuilding you would abously want to be younger. But if we were take a chance on a free agent I would want Bart Scott or a veteran wide reciver. I think al our wide reciver would be better if we could get a good vet in here to teach them some things.
     
  21. ian.godden

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    Haynesworth

    :up: As said in a previous post! Haynes and Porter on same D would be wicked.
    I'd love him to come def what team would not want him?

    :theman:Porter and Haynesworth we can dream!
     
  22. Brown42000

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    It would be difficult for me to be disappointed or upset if we were to sign arguably the best defensive lineman in the league.
     
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  23. azfinfanmang

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    Really? I could easily argue that all day long. Exactly what are you basing that VERY bold statement on? I MIGHT consider him top 8 defensive tackle, but best overall defensive lineman in the league? Sorry, not even close. Probably not the best on his team alone.

    IF he were that, do you think the Titans would pass ways with him so quickly?
     
  24. Brown42000

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    What defensive linemen in the league are better then him right now? He is absolutely the best defense linemen on his team.

    He has been one of the most disruptive forces in the game the past two seasons.
     
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  25. DevilFin13

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    Everyone wants a young version of Haynesworth. The problem is that its very unlikely we will get that in the draft. Even if we did you won't see that type of production from that player until a few years down the road. Haynesworth himself didn't bust out of the gates playing like he has the past few years. So I don't see the point in not going after him just because you want a younger version of a guy who is only 28. That would be like having the Pats offer us Tom Brady and us saying "na, we're going to get a younger Brady in the draft because the real one isn't 25."

    The biggest problem I'd have in pursuing Haynesworth is the transition from a 4-3 to a 3-4. I'd think he is capable. But is he willing? Even if he is both of those things how long does it take him to make the transition?
     
  26. NickyNapoleon

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    Can I ask a question, what position are you signing him to play? He is a great DT in a 4-3, but did he play the nose or the under tackle? And are you seriously going to pay the money it will take to have him play DE in a 3-4. Im confused here. I havent seen alot of Haynesworth but I think he is more likely the under tackle simply based on the stats. I cant see a nose tackle getting 8.5 sacks.
     
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  27. Ultra

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    I'd take Shaun Rodgers from Cleveland over him.
     
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    Haynsworth as a Nose in the 34? I don't know how well that would work out.
     
  29. Big E

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    He seems pretty interested in Indy.
     
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    Do not blame him. Haynsworth on the Indianapolis Defensive Line would be scary.
     
  31. The Aqua Crush

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    No kidding, trying to contain Mathis and Freeney is tough enough, not to mention if Haynsworth was blowing up the middle of the line and taking away double teams on the edges.
     
  32. azfinfanmang

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    Good place to start, I would also take Rodgers over Fat Al.

    Add to that list:

    Jamal Williams Sandy Eggo
    Kevin Williams Vikings
    Jared Allen Vikes
    Wolfork Patsies
    Darnell Docket Cards
    Tommie Harris Bears
    Marcus Stroud Bills
    Kris Jenkins
    Richard Seymour Pats


    I only touched on one true DE in this list. There are EASILY 8 or 9 that I would call more disruptive and more productive than Fat Albert, with not nearly as much baggage being toted behind them.

    If he was dirt cheap, perhaps he could overcome he laziness he showed prior to this contract year, and perhaps he could overcome the BS he seems to surround himself with...then and ONLY then could I see him becoming a target in my eyes.

    Oh, and yeah, he really isnt a NT at all to begin with...

    Just my 2 cents worth :up:
     
  33. codizzle

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    Haloti Ngata.. i'd take him any day over haynesworth..

    id cant stand haynesworth ...

    First of all he has never played a full season.. second of all is a DT worth that much money for a 3-4 ... U guys could do so much more with that money....

    besides the fact he's a punk as a couple people have already mentioned
     
  34. Brown42000

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    Haynesworth stats the past two seasons:

    2008

    51 Total Tackles
    8.5 Sacks
    3 FF
    2 Passes Defended

    2007

    40 Tackles
    6.0 Sacks
    0 FF
    4 Passes Defended

    Very impressive numbers for a defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme. He can also occasionally play defensive end and will flat out overpower the tackle he is going up against. He played a huge part in Tennessee having a top 10 defense in back to back seasons.


    Jamal Williams racks up tackles in the 3-4 scheme but only has 3.5 sacks the past 4 seasons. Certainly not enough of a complete player to say he is better then Haynesworth.

    Kevin Williams is a great player and is half the reason why Minnesota has had a top run defense the past 3 seasons. He has 4 career interceptions from the defensive tackle position two of which he returned for touchdowns back in 2007. His best season came in 2004 his second year in the league where he had 70 tackles, 11.5 sacks, 7 PD, 1 interception and 2 fumbles forced. It is a tough choice between Williams and Haynesworth and I'll take Williams.

    Do you think Jared Allen would be force if he were playing in the middle of the defense? I know I don't. Having 30 sacks over two seasons is incredible though. I'm taking Haynesworth.

    Wilfork is another 3-4 nose tackle who isn't going to have impressive numbers because his job is to clog up the lanes and let the linebackers run free similar to Jamal Williams. Wilfork is better then Williams when it comes to getting to the quarterback. Just had his best season statistically. Give me Haynesworth.

    Dockett had an impressive season in 2007 with 58 tackles, 9 sacks and 2 FF. However he has a tendency to disappear during games something I haven't seen Haynesworth do the past two seasons. (Dockett was spectacular in the Super Bowl.)

    Tommie Harris I think can be a great player but right now he is just pretty good. Too many avearge seasons to consider him a top linemen. His best season came back in 2007 with 36 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 FF. Another player I would take Haynesworth over.

    Marcus Stroud? Really?

    Jenkins was being considered the best NT in football after the New England game this past season but he fell apart after the Tennessee game and couldn't be the force he was earlier in the season. Great season and still remember the numerous times he flat out abused Dan Koppen (a Pro Bowl center) during the second New England game. It is a tough call for me to make between the two so I'll call it a toss up.

    Seymour had a great season after three mediocre seasons. 52 tackles and 8.0 sacks as 3-4 defensive end is rare. But his contract is about to expire and you have to question whether this season was a case of him trying to get that last big pay day. He is turning 30 this October. Give me Haynesworth.


    What baggage are you talking about exactly when referring to Haynesworth? When he was in a fight with one of his teammates during training camp and when he stepped on Aundre Gurode's head? I'm not saying it is okay for him to do that but after the Gurode incident he has become a premier lineman in the league and hasn't been in trouble since then.
     
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  35. Larryfinfan

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    Very true, Phin...and also keep in mind that Fergy might be the man on the outside looking in if we acquired Fat Albert....however, IMHO, I doubt this is the way the Trio will go...
     
  36. alen1

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    I wouldn't bring in Albert Haynesworth. Yes he's a disruptive force when giving it all but that's the key with him. Giving it all. He had been underachieving a bit in the past and then started to come along when his contract was close to expiring. I think he's a guy who will play for the money and then he'll go back to taking plays off. Also, the baggage that comes with him is a concern. We're talking about a guy whose stepped on ones head with a cleat, fought in practice multiple times and hasn't exactly always been on the same page with coaches. A couple years ago, he came to practice and got into a fist-fight with a teammate of his. He was sent home right after that and proceeded to come back with a lead pipe and threatened to kill his teammate. With that said, I'm thinking if he hits the market, he could be looked at $12-$15 million a year across six years and in the neighborhood of $70 million.

    I believe that's just a ploy to get Tennessee to show him the money.
     
  37. PhinGeneral

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    I would think it would be Paul Soliai, unless they think he can still turn into something. But then again, if they did they probably wouldn't chase hard after Haynesworth, either.
     
  38. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Well, for one, I think he has enough baggage that it'll be hard for any team to shell out that much money. Someone will give him a nice payday, but it would really take some balls to give him that much.

    Secondly, I think the concerns about him playing hard are valid, but a bit overrated. I would be much more concerned if it were only 1 year of exceptional play, but 2 years in a row to me mitigates that quite a bit. I think at this point it could just as well, if not moreso, be a case of a guy maturing and coming into his own as it would be something more sinister.
     
  39. alen1

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    Wait till Al Davis takes a look at him. He'll give him twice the money he gave Tommy Kelly.

    Two years, yes. One year leading up to the expiring of his contract in which he got tagged and then this year again where he will be a FA. Where was he before those two years?
     
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  40. Skeet84

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    Albert Haynesworth is amazing the way he blows stuff up from the middle.
     

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