Timmons Lining Up Wrong!?

I have seen enough Dolphins DCs ‘simplify’ their defenses to get a nervous twitch whenever I hear it suggested.

Ds that rely on complexity and execution of assignments just stop being effective when the complexity level is lowered. If you want to play a simple D, play Wannyball or Tampa 2 or some such scheme that is designed from the ground up to have simple assignments.

"Pauly wrote:

I have seen enough Dolphins DCs ‘simplify’ their defenses to get a nervous twitch whenever I hear it suggested.

Ds that rely on complexity and execution of assignments just stop being effective when the complexity level is lowered. If you want to play a simple D, play Wannyball or Tampa 2 or some such scheme that is designed from the ground up to have simple assignments.

Yeah, but if you're complexity is causing a break down in communication and player ineffectiveness it kind of defeats the purpose of being complex.

"danmarino wrote:

Yeah, but if you're complexity is causing a break down in communication and player ineffectiveness it kind of defeats the purpose of being complex.

I agree, do what you can with what you have.

On the flip side, any player stopping you from calling the better defense, should be cut or traded in the offseason.

Whats going on with this board, seems like every thread the same group of people are going at it with “i was right, you were wrong”.

This board is as divided as this country. Are we all dolphins fans or what?

I was a big Timmons fan to start the year...I don’t think he’s the brightest bulb so it may be taking him a little bit to adjust to a scheme he’s not been familiar with, remember, he was a 10 year vet in that steeler defense, I’m sure he has habits..

"djphinfan wrote:

I was a big Timmons fan to start the year...I don’t think he’s the brightest bulb so it may be taking him a little bit to adjust to a scheme he’s not been familiar with, remember, he was a 10 year vet in that steeler defense, I’m sure he has habits..

And he was playing like a monster to start the season.

Not sure what the big deal is. He was a stopgap player. The building block linebacker is on IR. Stopgap players are hit or miss but they don' effect the team long term. I like the way Timmons has played but it seems his head isn' into it lately.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Whats going on with this board, seems like every thread the same group of people are going at it with “i was right, you were wrong”.

This board is as divided as this country. Are we all dolphins fans or what?

I know. It why I don't post that much right now.

"Finatik wrote:

I know. It why I don't post that much right now.

I have been avoiding the mains for a while now lol just seems like a lot of senseless bashing now. I get everyone has their own idea of what success should be, but there is a civilized way to do this... i would hope

"Vertical Limit wrote:

I have been avoiding the mains for a while now lol just seems like a lot of senseless bashing now. I get everyone has their own idea of what success should be, but there is a civilized way to do this... i would hope

It is better this week than it has been in a long time.

"danmarino wrote:

You're wrong and your own posts betray you.

Semantics? I don't think you're using that word correctly. I quoted your posts verbatim and any reasonable person would infer that you're contradicting yourself.

In fact, your spinning is making everybody dizzy. I mean, you either think he's a "positive addition" or you "never liked him as soon as they signed him". There's no gray area in the way you worded your posts. If that's not what you meant your wording was way off. And if you've changed your mind that's OK. I change my mind on players all the time. Just admit it. Be a man. ;)

Have you looked at who is playing on defense now compared to who was playing in the first 5-7 games of the season? There have been a lot of significant changes. Timmons is lining up in the wrong spots now because communication is breaking down and it seems the person who was getting him lined up right at the beginning of the season is either not there any longer or confused also. You don't line up in the wrong spot because you're old and broken down. You line up wrong because you're confused and/or the communication put you in the wrong spot.

And no one was claiming that Timmons would be anything else but a stop gap. Most here believed that he would take the reigns until McMillian was up to speed. McMillian got hurt. Remember?

Saying it was a positive signing compared to what we had and also saying I was not happy with the signing because he was past his prime and not a real solution are not contradictory statements.

You are just trying to play with words and quoting snippets of comments out of context, which is what you always do when you are wrong. Anybody who reads my entire comments would know I was not all that happy with the Timmons signing and thought he had lost a step and was past his prime.

That is evident in his play now, a few instances of misscomunication or misalignment do not excuse his overall poor play. He can't cover Anybody, he is missing tackles. He looks exactly like what I said he was when we signed him, an old past his prime player who has lost a step.

Again, you and I both know you were wrong. It's ok I don't expect you to admit it. You will just keep arguing semantics and being a child about it.

"hitman8 wrote:

Saying it was a positive signing compared to what we had and also saying I was not happy with the signing because he was past his prime and not a real solution are not contradictory statements.

You are just trying to play with words and quoting snippets of comments out of context, which is what you always do when you are wrong. Anybody who reads my entire comments would know I was not all that happy with the Timmons signing and thought he had lost a step and was past his prime.

That is evident in his play now, a few instances of misscomunication or misalignment do not excuse his overall poor play. He can't cover Anybody, he is missing tackles. He looks exactly like what I said he was when we signed him, an old past his prime player who has lost a step.

Again, you and I both know you were wrong. It's ok I don't expect you to admit it. You will just keep arguing semantics and being a child about it.

Problem Hitman, some people see Aqua and Orange, so as soon as a bad player or coach puts on the Dolphin uniform they become great..

VJ-Failure
Burke-Failure
Kiko-Failure
Timmons-Failure
Maxwell-Failure
Misi-Failure
Just a few

"hitman8 wrote:

Saying it was a positive signing compared to what we had and also saying I was not happy with the signing because he was past his prime and not a real solution are not contradictory statements.

You are just trying to play with words and quoting snippets of comments out of context, which is what you always do when you are wrong. Anybody who reads my entire comments would know I was not all that happy with the Timmons signing and thought he had lost a step and was past his prime.

That is evident in his play now, a few instances of misscomunication or misalignment do not excuse his overall poor play. He can't cover Anybody, he is missing tackles. He looks exactly like what I said he was when we signed him, an old past his prime player who has lost a step.

Again, you and I both know you were wrong. It's ok I don't expect you to admit it. You will just keep arguing semantics and being a child about it.

You should stop using the word "semantics" if you don't know what it means.

"Seadog wrote:

Problem Hitman, some people see Aqua and Orange, so as soon as a bad player or coach puts on the Dolphin uniform they become great..

VJ-Failure
Burke-Failure
Kiko-Failure
Timmons-Failure
Maxwell-Failure
Misi-Failure
Just a few

VJ- Success in Miami
Burke- Too soon to say, but I don't necessarily want to get rid of him
Kiko- Good LB'er
Timmons- Has played at a pro bowl level the majority of his time here. Has had a couple of down games for some reason. IMO, it's because of the issues I wrote about
Maxwell- Last year was overall good. This year he stunk up the joint.
Misi- If not for his injury he'd be an average player. Totally serviceable if not for his injury

Just a few...correctly

"danmarino wrote:

VJ- Success in Miami
Burke- Too soon to say, but I don't necessarily want to get rid of him
Kiko- Good LB'er
Timmons- Has played at a pro bowl level the majority of his time here. Has had a couple of down games for some reason. IMO, it's because of the issues I wrote about
Maxwell- Last year was overall good. This year he stunk up the joint.
Misi- If not for his injury he'd be an average player. Totally serviceable if not for his injury

Just a few...correctly

Point made, thank you

"Vertical Limit wrote:

I have been avoiding the mains for a while now lol just seems like a lot of senseless bashing now. I get everyone has their own idea of what success should be, but there is a civilized way to do this... i would hope

The problem is the need for immediate gratification and the need for people to drill their point home. Negagivity is fine, even necessary to an extent as it helps with accountability. But no one wants to read that on a fan board all the time. Cleaning up that type of stuff isnt easy as trying to change perspective is generally the first choice until there is no other choice.

"danmarino wrote:

Yeah, but if you're complexity is causing a break down in communication and player ineffectiveness it kind of defeats the purpose of being complex.

On the other side of the coin Bill Belichek seems to be able to get his players to understand and communicate. Don Shula, Bill Walsh before him too. Generally speaking from my experience with training people in the workplace is that if training breaks down it is usually the fault of the trainer not the trainee.

However you also have to separate a failure of the scheme from a failure to install a scheme. For example Mike Sherman’s scheme was obsolete at college level, let alone at NFL level so ir was doomed to fail no matter how well the players executed.

I have seen simplification work, sometimes for offenses. But I really can’t recall.a situation where a D has been simplified successfully. When the Patsies were having trouble on D earlier this year BB didn’t si plify his scheme. He did tweak his scheme to better suit his players, but he taught them and expected them to execute his schemes.